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The beauty and blessing of America is that someone like this dullard prof has the right to say what she wants and not be persecuted for it. -One would hope, though, she has enough sense to realize that if she made a negative statement about, say, something to do with Islam in a country where ISIS holds sway, she'd have to make room in her busy schedule to fit in having her head lopped off.
 
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Same professor who lead the dump Condoleezza Rice campaign. This is just one of the reasons Rutgers gets zero dollars from me. I do donate to the football program.
 
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devoted2ru, how many books and articles have you published on the media representation of violence in the middle east?
 
Napolitano got it right. Freedom of speech is her right. However, given her role in the Condoleza Rice episode she's also a hypocrite of the first order.

Two additional thoughts:

1. I'd be interested if she brings her politics to her journalism and media studies classes? Does she punish students who hold views that differ from hers?

2. How would the RU administration react if a professor was making comments similar to those Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee have recently made? I strongly suspect they'd have zero chance to get tenure. I wonder if there would be a movement to drive them off campus.
 
RUSONIC said:
Same professor who lead the dump Condoleezza Rice campaign. This is just one of the reasons Rutgers gets zero dollars from me. I do donate to the football program.
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This is the issue. Free speech is great, but this professor seems to want just her speech to be "free" and feels compelled to silence others.

Also, it's amazing how easily inaccurate information is spewed. Condoleeza Rice was not dis-invited to speak. She chose not to speak. Rutgers was welcoming her. It's an important nuance that these Fox News folks didn't care to pick up on.
 
LevaosLectures said:
devoted2ru, how many books and articles have you published on the media representation of violence in the middle east?
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Absolutely none. -That, however, doesn't prevent me from identifying someone throwing bullshit around when I see, or hear, one.

You agree with her? Lovely, and that's your prerogative. You should both try moving to an area in the Middle East that's a terrorist hotbed and attempt to exercise your right to "free speech" there and see how long your life expectancies turn out to be. (Hint: they wouldn't be long.)
 
mdk01 said:
Napolitano got it right. Freedom of speech is her right. However, given her role in the Condoleza Rice episode she's also a hypocrite of the first order.

Two additional thoughts:

1. I'd be interested if she brings her politics to her journalism and media studies classes? Does she punish students who hold views that differ from hers?

2. How would the RU administration react if a professor was making comments similar to those Ted Cruz or Mike Huckabee have recently made? I strongly suspect they'd have zero chance to get tenure. I wonder if there would be a movement to drive them off campus.
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1.Of course she brings her politics into her class. We all bring our politics and our ideologies to all our discursive registers and situations. To suggest differently is the height of naivete. As for punishing students for having different ideological viewpoints, I would hope not...but I would guess she does judge students on their abilities to craft an argument and support it with evidence in their essays.

2.She already has tenure. If you think that having a slightly unconventional political viewpoint is grounds for bringing tenure charges, you're sorely mistaken.
 
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devoted2ru said:
Absolutely none. -That, however, doesn't prevent me from identifying someone throwing bullshit around when I see, or hear, one.

You agree with her? Lovely, and that's your prerogative. You should both try moving to an area in the Middle East that's a terrorist hotbed and attempt to exercise your right to "free speech" there and see how long your life expectancies turn out to be. (Hint: they wouldn't be long.)
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I never said I agree with her. Did you read her tweet? Agreeing with her or not would seem to hinge on ones definition of the rather subjective term "brutal." If we are to judge based on "number of innocent people killed in the past decade," then the USA is worse than ISIS. I'd imagine you have different criteria for judging the brutality of a nation, as do I. I'm fairly certain that if ISIS had our military capabilities they would kill far more people and exercise far less discretion in whom they kill than we do.
 
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LevaosLectures said:
I never said I agree with her. Did you read her tweet? Agreeing with her or not would seem to hinge on ones definition of the rather subjective term "brutal." If we are to judge based on "number of innocent people killed in the past decade," then the USA is worse than ISIS. I'd imagine you have different criteria for judging the brutality of a nation, as do I. I'm fairly certain that if ISIS had our military capabilities they would kill far more people and exercise far less discretion in whom they kill than we do.
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How many "innocent people" has the U.S. killed in the last decade?
 
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Stupid post by someone who knows nothing about how higher education works. How exactly would you go about firing her, sir?
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Coming from a guy who needs permission to spend $10 a month, I think I will pass on your obnoxious post. I will say, if a guy has to sell his NBA team while being taped privately while saying something stupid, along with the recent pro wrestler in a similar incident, I think saying something as offensive and stupid publicly deserves the same. She needs to be made an example of. Enough is enough.

But seriously, you can't spend $10 without clearing it with your wife?
 
Middle Eastern studies department at RU is a very scary place. As a history major I took a few classes and was very uneasy with some of these students walking around campus. It seems most of the professors share the same sentiment as Kumar.
 
LevaosLectures said:
1.Of course she brings her politics into her class. We all bring our politics and our ideologies to all our discursive registers and situations. To suggest differently is the height of naivete. As for punishing students for having different ideological viewpoints, I would hope not...but I would guess she does judge students on their abilities to craft an argument and support it with evidence in their essays.

2.She already has tenure. If you think that having a slightly unconventional political viewpoint is grounds for bringing tenure charges, you're sorely mistaken.
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My comment was not directed at her given she has tenure. My comment/question was what would happen to an untenured professor on tenure track if they made statements similar to those recently made by Cruz and Huckabee? In addition, if tenured, would a move be made to bring tenure charges against them based on their comments?
 
Caliknight said:
Coming from a guy who needs permission to spend $10 a month, I think I will pass on your obnoxious post. I will say, if a guy has to sell his NBA team while being taped privately while saying something stupid, along with the recent pro wrestler in a similar incident, I think saying something as offensive and stupid deserves the same.

But seriously, you can't spend $10 without clearing it with your wife?
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You have a problem with facts, sir. It's $10 a month. It's another monthly bill. I'm pretty damn sure if my wife wanted to sign up for some premium cable channel that cost $10 a month, she would ask me my opinion first. I'm also pretty sure that if I told my wife that a Rivals premium account was really really important to me, she would tell me to go ahead. That's how marriage works. We aren't wealthy people and no, Rutgers football news is not a priority for us.

Second, there is no comparison between Mark Cuban, Hulk Hogan, and Deepa Kumar...either in the offensiveness of their comments or their positions in society. The WWE can fire whomever they want. If Rutgers starts firing professors for expressing scholarly opinions, that that will be the END of Rutgers.
 
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How many "innocent people" has the U.S. killed in the last decade?
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Her figure on the number of dead was 1.3 million, which I'm guessing takes into account a very broad category of people killed directly or indirectly as a result of United States military operations. "Innocent" seems like a problematic qualifier in that its not really something that can be determined with any certainty, so I regret using it.

To me that number seems WAY high. Iraq Body count lists Iraqi civilian dead at 100,000+ as a result of the US occupation.
 
LevaosLectures said:
You have a problem with facts, sir. It's $10 a month. It's another monthly bill. I'm pretty damn sure if my wife wanted to sign up for some premium cable channel that cost $10 a month, she would ask me my opinion first. I'm also pretty sure that if I told my wife that a Rivals premium account was really really important to me, she would tell me to go ahead. That's how marriage works. We aren't wealthy people and no, Rutgers football news is not a priority for us.

Second, there is no comparison between Mark Cuban, Hulk Hogan, and Deepa Kumar...either in the offensiveness of their comments or their positions in society. The WWE can fire whomever they want. If Rutgers starts firing professors for expressing scholarly opinions, that that will be the END of Rutgers.
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It isn't scholarly anymore than Hulk Hogan's private comments were. If you want to prove so, let's see your facts. Please back up her statements. Thanks.
 
" In addition, if tenured, would a move be made to bring tenure charges against them based on their comments?"

In short, no effing way. Every liberal commie socialist pinko professor would line up in solidarity behind them against the administration, despite politics. The Union would never let it happen.
 
you can't back it up. Which if you are defending her, is your responsibility.
 
LevaosLectures said:
" In addition, if tenured, would a move be made to bring tenure charges against them based on their comments?"

In short, no effing way. Every liberal commie socialist pinko professor would line up in solidarity behind them against the administration, despite politics. The Union would never let it happen.
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Which is the real problem in all of this.
 
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you can't back it up. Which if you are defending her, is your responsibility.
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I'm defending her right to express an opinion on foreign policy. I'm also deferring to her expertise as someone with a PhD that dealt with the media representations of violence in the Middle East. I have no grounds for either accepting or disputing her 1.3 million number. I said, it sounds high to me. I'd be curious to know her source there.
 
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LevaosLectures said:
It's perfectly fine to criticize her, but clearly Fox News wants her to be fired...which is ABSURD.
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Not once in that segment did I hear them say she should be fired. At the end, they said that you do have a choice where you send your kids to school, and if you disagree, don't send them there. I hope the recruits are not offended, and I hope that Julie Hermann has already issued an apology.
 
You should take your own advice. You come off as professor's assistant.
 
He said what she said isn't outrageous. It is.

No one is arguing she can't be an idiot. She should be punished for it if she chooses to be.
 
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I don't have to back it up. I don't agree with her. I assume her 1.3 million figure has a source. My only point is that you don't fire professors for having opinions on foreign policy.
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I think you DO fire professors when they publicize an opinion on foreign policy that is rooted in either fantasy or lie, depending on the degree of her malevolence.

There's zero chance that the 1.3 million number is correct. There's not even much of a chance that a majority of the 100,000 cited by Iraq is due to direct U.S. military action. So, best case, she has inflated the proclaimed villainy of U.S. forces in Iraq by an order of magnitude. I'd say that's grounds for termination.
 
So called academia. The last place left on earth where you can say utterly ridiculous untruths (as long as it is liberal) and not be punished in the least.

Sad state of affairs, especially at public schools.
 
LevaosLectures said:
" In addition, if tenured, would a move be made to bring tenure charges against them based on their comments?"

In short, no effing way. Every liberal commie socialist pinko professor would line up in solidarity behind them against the administration, despite politics. The Union would never let it happen.
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Although it's admittedly not a tenure situation, tell that to Larry Summers. Or are administrators fair game everywhere?
 
I think the crux of the issue is whether an academic has an expectation of "academic freedom" on social media--or media in general.

If she said that she supports Hamas and is in favor of the extermination of Israel, is that covered uner "academic freedom?" Certainly, she can't be prosecuted for that view. However, can she be fired?

Academic freedom was never designed as a license to say whatever you want, whenever you want. It was meant to be a protection against an overbearing administration in order to pursue your research agenda, regardless of how controversial it might be. I think we all can agree that a 140 character "tweet" is hardly pursuit of academic truth.

This professor is a professional activist. There is a thread on the CE board where I detail some of the problems with that--with her and others.
 
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