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If Navy Jumps Ship on The AAC

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Yes,I am bored so here goes.--- If Navy jumps ship (haha I made a funny) in five or six years and decides to go back to Independent status, if you are the AAC,do you stay put with the schools left in the league (assuming no other league changes) or do you decide to bring in another school (s) ? If you bring in other schools,do you try the Northeast ? Southeast ? Southern Mid-West ?--Who would come in--Old Dominion,Georgia State,UNCC,FAU,FIU,UMass,UAB,South Alabama,Texas State,Texas-San Antonio,James Madison,Marshall,Illinois State,Western Kentucky,Tennessee State,upgraded Coastal Carolina,Louisiana Tech,Louisiana-Lafayette,Arkansas State, a MAC school, upgraded Delaware,West Florida who is starting football in 2016,anyone else ?
 
No reason for them to jump ship. They are only there for football.....everything else Is Patriot.
 
Vkj,but IF they did, and you were the AAC,what would you do? Oh, and jump out of a plane is not a permissible answer !!!
 
If I am forced to play then I need to know are you only replacing a football team or looking for an all sport member?
 
We'll now you have an issue as you are loosing a football school but wanting to add all sports. That isn't gonna work.
 
if it is 5 to 6 years away you will have a host of MAC, Sunbelt, and CUSA teams that have grown and improved to a level where they can compete in the AAC.
 
Yes,I am bored so here goes.--- If Navy jumps ship (haha I made a funny) in five or six years and decides to go back to Independent status, if you are the AAC,do you stay put with the schools left in the league (assuming no other league changes) or do you decide to bring in another school (s) ? If you bring in other schools,do you try the Northeast ? Southeast ? Southern Mid-West ?--Who would come in--Old Dominion,Georgia State,UNCC,FAU,FIU,UMass,UAB,South Alabama,Texas State,Texas-San Antonio,James Madison,Marshall,Illinois State,Western Kentucky,Tennessee State,upgraded Coastal Carolina,Louisiana Tech,Louisiana-Lafayette,Arkansas State, a MAC school, upgraded Delaware,West Florida who is starting football in 2016,anyone else ?
Take ODU and call it a day. Its the only FCS school in the populous tidewater region and offers a bridge between the northeastern teams and the southern teams.
 
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Thank you for playing by the rules LOL--I am sending you a year supply of Mop n Glo.
 
ODU and ECU has the potential to be a high-quality mid-level rivalry. And it actually has a market.
 
No reason for them to jump ship. They are only there for football.....everything else Is Patriot.

Ditto...maybe the OP thought Navy was moving all their sports to the AAC, which they aren't doing...as their move is just for Football.

NOTE: Navy Football asked for (and got, as they had leverage), to be placed in the AAC West Division, to be in same division with 3 other smaller private schools: Tulane, SMU and Tulsa...(Memphis and Houston are the other 2 members of AAC West), as also wanted exposure in TEXAS for the Naval Academy....plus, it also didn't hurt that teams in AAC East are normally stronger on a yearly basis (i.e. Cinci, ECU, UCF) vs the schools from the West...so Navy should win more games on an annual basis (should keep them bowl eligible most years).
 
Yes,I am bored so here goes.--- If Navy jumps ship (haha I made a funny) in five or six years and decides to go back to Independent status, if you are the AAC,do you stay put with the schools left in the league (assuming no other league changes) or do you decide to bring in another school (s) ? If you bring in other schools,do you try the Northeast ? Southeast ? Southern Mid-West ?--Who would come in--Old Dominion,Georgia State,UNCC,FAU,FIU,UMass,UAB,South Alabama,Texas State,Texas-San Antonio,James Madison,Marshall,Illinois State,Western Kentucky,Tennessee State,upgraded Coastal Carolina,Louisiana Tech,Louisiana-Lafayette,Arkansas State, a MAC school, upgraded Delaware,West Florida who is starting football in 2016,anyone else ?

I would think a lot would depend on what happens with the ACC/Big 12 petition for the NCAA to deregulate the conference championship game. If that is accepted, then there is no reason to add a school just to get back to 12. If that petition gets rejected by the NCAA, then you will probably see at least one of Cincinnati / Memphis / UCF / USF jump to the Big 12 prior to the 5 of 6 years you hypothesize that it will take Navy to realize football independence is best for them.

Georgia State needs to find a new stadium. They currently play in the Georgia Dome (which is walking distance from their campus) and are not planning to move to the new Falcons stadium once it is opened. They want to turn Turner Field into a 30,000 seat football stadium, but the city wants the state to approve casino gambling and turn that area into casinos.

I often wonder why Southern Miss is usually excluded from these discussions. They have had a traditionally solid program and have excellent support. They averaged nearly 23,000 per home game last year after going 1-21 the previous two seasons (3-9 last year).
 
I would think a lot would depend on what happens with the ACC/Big 12 petition for the NCAA to deregulate the conference championship game. If that is accepted, then there is no reason to add a school just to get back to 12. If that petition gets rejected by the NCAA, then you will probably see at least one of Cincinnati / Memphis / UCF / USF jump to the Big 12 prior to the 5 of 6 years you hypothesize that it will take Navy to realize football independence is best for them.

Georgia State needs to find a new stadium. They currently play in the Georgia Dome (which is walking distance from their campus) and are not planning to move to the new Falcons stadium once it is opened. They want to turn Turner Field into a 30,000 seat football stadium, but the city wants the state to approve casino gambling and turn that area into casinos.

I often wonder why Southern Miss is usually excluded from these discussions. They have had a traditionally solid program and have excellent support. They averaged nearly 23,000 per home game last year after going 1-21 the previous two seasons (3-9 last year).

While I would like to see part of the petition accepted for the ACC I don't want the other part to be accepted for the B12. I hope the NCAA says you need 12 for a championship game but... the participants in that game can be determined by the conference to match-up 2 of the better teams. There would need to be rules around it where a ND or a 2nd team from the same division can get into the game as long as the weaker conference champ is below a certain comparable standard. Even better maybe the NCAA can add that a conference can host a semifinal and championship game if the conference has at least 16 teams.
 
Take ODU and call it a day. Its the only FCS school in the populous tidewater region and offers a bridge between the northeastern teams and the southern teams.

Pretty much what I was thinking. If for some reason ODU is off the table, I agree with the Marshall suggestion (solid 'brand name'). Also, while Navy is in much better shape than Army was in the late 90's/ early 2000's, remember what the 'conference grind' did to Army in C-USA. I don't think it's totally implausible that Navy may leave the AAC at some point.


Joe P.
 
I think the answer is TV Market the college resides in. UCF is in a very big TV market, in a recruiting hotbed in a destination city (Orlando) plus UCF is the largest University student wise in D1.
Cinn is a decent TV market, w a good history, in a recruiting hotbed, plus gives WVa a regional rival

S Miss is in a tiny TV market. Rest doesn't matter, imo.

"I often wonder why Southern Miss is usually excluded from these discussions. They have had a traditionally solid program and have excellent support. They averaged nearly 23,000 per home game last year after going 1-21 the previous two seasons (3-9 last year)."
 
I think the answer is TV Market the college resides in. UCF is in a very big TV market, in a recruiting hotbed in a destination city (Orlando) plus UCF is the largest University student wise in D1.
Cinn is a decent TV market, w a good history, in a recruiting hotbed, plus gives WVa a regional rival

S Miss is in a tiny TV market. Rest doesn't matter, imo.

"I often wonder why Southern Miss is usually excluded from these discussions. They have had a traditionally solid program and have excellent support. They averaged nearly 23,000 per home game last year after going 1-21 the previous two seasons (3-9 last year)."

That would also exclude Louisiana (Lafayette) and UL Monroe from the list of schools provided and possibly more.
 
While I would like to see part of the petition accepted for the ACC I don't want the other part to be accepted for the B12. I hope the NCAA says you need 12 for a championship game but... the participants in that game can be determined by the conference to match-up 2 of the better teams. There would need to be rules around it where a ND or a 2nd team from the same division can get into the game as long as the weaker conference champ is below a certain comparable standard. Even better maybe the NCAA can add that a conference can host a semifinal and championship game if the conference has at least 16 teams.

I don't believe the NCAA has the authority to split it the way you'd like as I understand it. The petition is requesting they deregulate it, which would theoretically allow any conference to conduct a conference championship game regardless of conference size. A yeah vote and the ACC can create a championship game with their two highest ranked teams while allowing the Big 12 to have a game with a 10-team conference.
 
I don't believe the NCAA has the authority to split it the way you'd like as I understand it. The petition is requesting they deregulate it, which would theoretically allow any conference to conduct a conference championship game regardless of conference size. A yeah vote and the ACC can create a championship game with their two highest ranked teams while allowing the Big 12 to have a game with a 10-team conference.
But they could reject it with the advice that they would likely accept deregulation as long as you have 12 teams.
 
Ditto...maybe the OP thought Navy was moving all their sports to the AAC, which they aren't doing...as their move is just for Football.

This is a good deal for Navy so why should they leave?

Its a hypothetical. The question isn't would they leave, its who would replace them if for some reason they did.

I agree with the above. ODU and Marshall make the most sense, ODU for population and growth and Marshall for name recognition as being not terrible.
 
Its a hypothetical. The question isn't would they leave, its who would replace them if for some reason they did.

I agree with the above. ODU and Marshall make the most sense, ODU for population and growth and Marshall for name recognition as being not terrible.
No. Marshall is a terrible choice. Small market team in a small dying (coal is going down with or without Obama) state dominated by another team. They were good the past couple of years, and in the late 90s - but with no real recruiting base, its not a smart move to pick them just because people have heard of them.

UTSA or Georgia State would be good choices too. Larger cities than Norfolk and more recruits in the area, but more competition.
 
Regarding Navy possibly leaving the AAC in the future, I think the main factor will be how they hold up to a conference schedule grind. Over the last 12 or so seasons Navy has found success with a 'quarters' schedule formula: 2-3 1AA/ Sun Belt teams, 2-3 MAC/ C-USA teams, ND + 1-2 other 'marquee' names, Army + Air Force. Usually half or so of their schedule was not familiar with the triple option. Now, they'll be going against higher-level teams across the board (the AAC games are going to usually be more difficult than the 5-6 Sun Belt/MAC/C-USA games) and these teams will become more familiar with them as time progresses. While the AAC gives Navy more of an opportunity at the CFP, overall Navy basically has the same type of bowl arrangements as an independent that the AAC offers. I'm guessing the AAC probably gives them a better TV deal though.


Joe P.
 
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...ok-east-not-west-if-league-decides-to-expand/

“We have one member in West Virginia that’s on the East Coast,” Bowlsby said. “We have to be mindful of their situation. If we took somebody in that was on the far West Coast it would certainly do a disservice to our member in West Virginia. As I mentioned earlier, it may be a different set of criteria to some of our members than it is to other members. As the commissioner, I certainly have to take all 10 institutions and their sensitivities into play.”

The two obvious candidates would be the Cincinnati Bearcats and the UCF Knights. Cincinnati would provide a travel partner and a rival for West Virginia. UCF, meanwhile, is an burgeoning program that would allow the Big 12 to get into the talent-rich state of Florida for recruiting purposes.

Bowlsby’s inclination to look at teams in the eastern half of the United State would exclude the BYU Cougars and Boise State Broncos, both of which would be strong candidates as football programs.

I think BYU is the next.....
 
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...ok-east-not-west-if-league-decides-to-expand/

“We have one member in West Virginia that’s on the East Coast,” Bowlsby said. “We have to be mindful of their situation. If we took somebody in that was on the far West Coast it would certainly do a disservice to our member in West Virginia. As I mentioned earlier, it may be a different set of criteria to some of our members than it is to other members. As the commissioner, I certainly have to take all 10 institutions and their sensitivities into play.”

The two obvious candidates would be the Cincinnati Bearcats and the UCF Knights. Cincinnati would provide a travel partner and a rival for West Virginia. UCF, meanwhile, is an burgeoning program that would allow the Big 12 to get into the talent-rich state of Florida for recruiting purposes.

Bowlsby’s inclination to look at teams in the eastern half of the United State would exclude the BYU Cougars and Boise State Broncos, both of which would be strong candidates as football programs.
Sure that's want he says and I can see appeasing WVU with one school but let's be honest, if we have learned anything it's about money and that means TV. BYU not only has a storied football program but they also have a truly national following with an entire religion behind them. If they can get over the Sunday game thing they are in somewhere soon....
 
I don't understand the whole Navy to the AAC thing. Army and Navy were both once part of CUSA before they decided the conference thing didn't suit them. Now Navy's back with CUSA, er I mean, CUSA v.2.
 
I often wonder why Southern Miss is usually excluded from these discussions. They have had a traditionally solid program and have excellent support. They averaged nearly 23,000 per home game last year after going 1-21 the previous two seasons (3-9 last year).

As RU knows all too well, most conf shifts/invites have much to do with TV Markets and sadly, for USM, being located in tiny Hattiesburg, MS...certainly doesn't help their cause...or sadly, their recent football collapse. (Plus, now their hoop program might get slapped with major sanctions too).
 
I don't understand the whole Navy to the AAC thing. Army and Navy were both once part of CUSA before they decided the conference thing didn't suit them. Now Navy's back with CUSA, er I mean, CUSA v.2.

Incorrect.

Army was a football only member of CUSA (1998-2004) but Navy was never a conf member of CUSA.

This year will be the first year in Navy Football history that the team will be playing for a Conference Championship (AAC).
 
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