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Ohio State Band Parody Songbook Mocks Holocaust Victims

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Reported in today's Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/holocau...state-band-parody-songbook-1438263839?tesla=y

Some of the lyrics:
"Head to the furnace room, ‘Bout to meet your fiery doom. Oh the baking never ends, It goes on and on and on and on.”

And this disturbing comment: "Lee Auer, the former band member who wrote the 2012 songbook’s introduction, said: 'I don’t think you are going to find many 19-year-olds who don’t joke about those things.'”

Really is that common humor in Ohio? I doubt it.
 
coldsprings said:
Reported in today's Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/holocau...state-band-parody-songbook-1438263839?tesla=y

Some of the lyrics:
"Head to the furnace room, ‘Bout to meet your fiery doom. Oh the baking never ends, It goes on and on and on and on.”

And this disturbing comment: "Lee Auer, the former band member who wrote the 2012 songbook’s introduction, said: 'I don’t think you are going to find many 19-year-olds who don’t joke about those things.'”

Really is that common humor in Ohio? I doubt it.
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Wow. If this happened here, we'd be crucified as there would be cries by the media to close the university. Let's see what they do to tOSU.
 
There is basically zero cultural sensitivity in the midwest regarding jews or jewish history. I've long ago lost count of the number of people from Ohio west to Minnesota who have said to me, "I never even met a Jewish person until I came to New York".

That's not meant to excuse the behavior, of course. But it is meant to suggest that a cultural insensitivity that would get you on the channel 5 news in NYC won't get any real airplay in Ohio.
 
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RU4Real said:
Given that we've already established that OSU has the highest STD rate in the conference, I think you're beating a dead horse.
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RU4Real said:
There is basically zero cultural sensitivity in the midwest regarding jews or jewish history. I've long ago lost count of the number of people from Ohio west to Minnesota who have said to me, "I never even met a Jewish person until I came to New York".

That's not meant to excuse the behavior, of course. But it is meant to suggest that a cultural insensitivity that would get you on the channel 5 news in NYC won't get any real airplay in Ohio.
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I have no doubt that your interactions & your general experiences may have left you with this impression - but perhaps you have not had enough contacts with people from Cincinnati, Ohio - as they have certainly met Jewish people ... Cincinnati is not only the oldest Jewish community west of the Allegheny Mountains but has also been an institutional center of American Reform Judasim for more than a century.
Jewish Hospital, located in Cincinnati, Ohio, United States, was the first Jewish hospital in the United States. The hospital was initially established in 1847.
 
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RUMBA-JK said:
I have no doubt that your interactions & your general experiences may have left you with this impression - but perhaps you have not had enough contacts with people from Cincinnati, Ohio - as they have certainly met Jewish people ... Cincinnati is not only the oldest Jewish community west of the Allegheny Mountains but has also been an institutional center of American Reform Judasim for more than a century.
Jewish Hospital, located in Cincinnati, Ohio, United States, was the first Jewish hospital in the United States. The hospital was initially established in 1847.
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I appreciate the citation - I didn't know that.

However, as it happens, one of the people who said that very thing to me was a lifelong Cincinnati native.

Personally, I consider Ohio in general to be sort of an aberration. I've yet to meet a chick from Ohio who wasn't a total tramp.

Maybe it's a hotel bar thing, I dunno... But this is my experience.
 
Growing up in south Jersey, we had no Jewish people at all. The entire population was concentrated in Cherry Hill. The first Jewish person I really ever got to know was on my floor freshman year, and he was from Cleveland. So there goes that argument.
 
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Cinci is the hotbed of Reform Judaism. There really is no excuse for this.
 
I put this on the Roundtable and got locked. So much for telling people about this who don't frequent THIS board. I am going to keep harping on this until game day and will have my own silent protest that I hope others will join. This is appalling behavior by students at a good school who are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Far too many people are dying even today in genocides around the world today - have we learned nothing? It's simply not funny.
 
UC81 said:
I put this on the Roundtable and got locked. So much for telling people about this who don't frequent THIS board. I am going to keep harping on this until game day and will have my own silent protest that I hope others will join. This is appalling behavior by students at a good school who are old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Far too many people are dying even today in genocides around the world today - have we learned nothing? It's simply not funny.
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Where I grew up in Avenel, we had one jewish family in my entire grade and Jr high school. No one thought anything of it one way or the other. As far as I can remember no one cared what your religion was. I bet that the vast majority of Ohio State fans feel the same way and all anyone does by protesting at a football game is bring negative politics into a place it doesn't belong. The WSJ and Ledger would just love to twist this into something that would negatively impact RU.
There's idiots like those band members everywhere who embarrass their schools including RU. Remember the students who caused an uproar when Navy played at our stadium. If I were you, I'd take the high ground here.
 
Virginiarufan said:
Where I grew up in Avenel, we had one jewish family in my entire grade and Jr high school. No one thought anything of it one way or the other. As far as I can remember no one cared what your religion was. I bet that the vast majority of Ohio State fans feel the same way and all anyone does by protesting at a football game is bring negative politics into a place it doesn't belong. The WSJ and Ledger would just love to twist this into something that would negatively impact RU.
There's idiots like those band members everywhere who embarrass their schools including RU. Remember the students who caused an uproar when Navy played at our stadium. If I were you, I'd take the high ground here.
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By ignoring it? I grew up in Fords and I had one African American in my graduating class of 714 at Woodbridge and we too didn't think anything was different. But the point I am trying to make - obviously not well - is that these kinds of things cannot be ignored. And I can't see the similarity in this to what happened in our game against Navy. Roosevelt ignored things and look what we've learned. I do respect your opinion and am not trying to be inflammatory. Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Leonard23 said:
Wow. If this happened here, we'd be crucified as there would be cries by the media to close the university. Let's see what they do to tOSU.
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I'm not defending the band at all, but stupidity will never be eradicated so this story does not surprise or outrage me.

Every time there is a story like this at another school, i wonder how it would go down at RU. I assume that there would be an ESPN/Ledger feeding frenzy, the faux and legit outrage would be off the charts, Julie Herman would be vilified, our local politicians would jump to stick their beaks in this, and the RU brass would cower, capitulate and then a sacrificial head would roll even if the athletic department had no culpability.
 
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UC 81 and VirginiaRUfan I grew up in that same area and had a much different experience. While I don't think it was comparable to the deep south to say that 'no one thought anything different' concerning a different race or religion would be false. There was definitely race and religion issues- so much so that a year or two after I left there were expulsions because of racial issues. On the whole I think this area is better than most, but in no way have we evolved to where we should be. That being said, as I stated earlier what happened in Ohio is disgusting.
 
mikebal9 said:
Growing up in south Jersey, we had no Jewish people at all. The entire population was concentrated in Cherry Hill. The first Jewish person I really ever got to know was on my floor freshman year, and he was from Cleveland. So there goes that argument.
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"we had no Jewish people at all' ???Well if Atlantic City is still considered South Jersey partner, you sure missed a lot of Jews.. Prior to the casinos, most restaurants, rooming houses, apt houses and clubs were owned by Jews..
 
I banged a gal from the Cleveland suburbs once in a trip out there about 10 years ago.
I think she was Jewish based on her last name, but as others have mentioned I really don't pay attention to or care about anyone's religion/race/creed.

I judge people by how they carry themselves and what kind of heart they have.

And with that gal from Cleveland, her physical attributes & assets that she possessed which were quite fine.
 
slwlion said:
"we had no Jewish people at all' ???Well if Atlantic City is still considered South Jersey partner, you sure missed a lot of Jews.. Prior to the casinos, most restaurants, rooming houses, apt houses and clubs were owned by Jews..
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OK, let me rephrase. In my area of south jersey, which was nowhere near AC, we had no Jewish people. I didn't go to high school with any Jewish kids. What is the point of your post besides showing that you know a small insignificant tidbit about the history of Atlantic City?
 
RUsilencer said:
OSU will probably give the band director a raise. If this was at RU, we would be on OTL.
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The band director was fired over a year ago. OSU has been working extremely hard at getting rid of the culture he created and allowed live within the band organization. Many people are disgusted by it.
 
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Growing up in south Jersey, we had no Jewish people at all. The entire population was concentrated in Cherry Hill. The first Jewish person I really ever got to know was on my floor freshman year, and he was from Cleveland. So there goes that argument.
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"We had...?"

Yes there are parts of South Jersey where the KKK remains active...
 
So I think that my generation has a definite irreverent streak,especially in terms of 'privileged classes' (how many people still think Jews control the world and are all rich? They do and they are, but... See irreverence). But total deference towards other classes- Muslims, the gays, Hispanic Eskimos). So Jews are still an ok group to go after, along with gingers, white men and lion hunters.

As to the 'I've never met a Jew' group. Jews tended to cluster due to the need for minion (minimum number of adult males needed for certain religious practices) requirements. Especially if they were orthodox. Now obviously not all Jews are orthodox. But as studies have shown, most people don't move more than loke 25 miles from the place they grew up. So even as Jews became less religious they still tend to live in clusters, mostly near cities. So I can see a Piney or a Buckeye who doesn't live in or near a city having never met a Jewish person.
 
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The band director was fired over a year ago. OSU has been working extremely hard at getting rid of the culture he created and allowed live within the band organization. Many people are disgusted by it.
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In a follow-up article the Wall Street Journal reports that there is great resistance to reforming the band culture: http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-battle-for-the-ohio-state-band-1438297495

"Since Waters was fired last July, the alumni group and the school have become locked in open warfare. The alumni have bankrolled Waters’s wrongful termination lawsuit and some Tbdbitl members are withholding donations. The alumni group mounted a public-relations campaign to protest the school’s moves, releasing its own report, advising former band members on how to talk to school-appointed investigators and issuing “We stand with Jon Waters” buttons."
 
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