was ray rice signed..
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Punching Janay in the elevator was less of a crime than being a 30 year old running back.
In other news, three teams a drooling over Adrian Peterson, who has asked for a trade and the Vikings refuse to trade him. Peterson is a 28 year old running back who beat his innocent little child into the hospital.
In other news, three teams a drooling over Adrian Peterson, who has asked for a trade and the Vikings refuse to trade him. Peterson is a 28 year old running back who beat his innocent little child into the hospital.
USA Today's Nancy Armour equates Ray Rice with Aaron Hernandez and Lawrence Philips:
"Be it Hernandez, Lawrence Phillips, Ray McDonald or Ray Rice, the
message is the same: So long as you're succeeding on the field, it
doesn't matter what you're doing off the field."
Ray may have a long road back to the NFL.
USA Today
"Be it Hernandez, Lawrence Phillips, Ray McDonald or Ray Rice, the
message is the same: So long as you're succeeding on the field, it
doesn't matter what you're doing off the field."
Ray may have a long road back to the NFL.
USA Today
Huge article in NY Magazine from earlier this month.... Ray Rice's Redemption Campaign. He and his handlers are working hard on changing his image back to what it was before that elevator ride.
RR redemption Campaign
RR redemption Campaign
This is it. If Ray had done this at 25, he's already got a contract. But he f'ed up following a season in which he was already markedly worse than his career average. Someone will pick him up eventually, but its going to be for the veteran minimum sometime in August - after the draft has come and gone, and after they have picked through the guys who get cut in camp.
I think a few things are at play here. One, he's an older guy and RBs will mileage aren't high commodity guys unless your name is Adrian Peterson. Two, he plays a position that teams have seemingly put less and less value on in recent years.
Look at a guy like Greg Hardy. He gets snatched up on a team friendly deal because he's still considered young and he plays a position, pass rushing DE, that most teams place a very high value, maybe the highest outside of QB. If Ray Rice was a 6-5, 270lb pass rushing freak of a DE, he'd have been back in the league by now.
This post was edited on 4/20 8:43 AM by Ty Webb
Maybe, maybe not. Besides the bad year where the other RB's production was down too with a poor offensive line, where is your proof that he was in decline?
You stated he was in decline. Therefore, per your theory, he must have in decline before the incident. Not asking for proof of why he is in decline after the incident, I would like to know what your proof is that he was in decline before the incident. If you have no quantitative data, stats or otherwise to show your point, just say so.
I have already done it for you, and the data shows RB production was down from both primary RBs. This correlates to what was common knowledge that the OL was terrible.
The fact is nobody really knows if Ray is in decline or not. He is only 28. He easily could have 3 or 4 more good years left.
I believe Ray will be signed after the draft when the RB situation for each team is clearer. You don't think Ray at the NFL minimum is better than an NFL rookie with less talent than him? If its just about performance, you know he would already be signed. Obviously everyone is analyzing the fallout if they should sign him
Realistically if he gets signed it will be after the injury bug starts hitting teams, no one is going to sign him before the draft. Remember that Ridley got signed before Ray coming off major surgery.
He might have to do a year in Canada.
He might have to do a year in Canada.
Proof? No proof. Just an opinion I have, which happens to be shared by everyone in the NFL, like the GMS who won't look at Ray but are fighting over who gets the child abuser.
It seems like RR has always carried the burden of being 5' 8" - in that many NFL 'experts' just look at a guys of this size with the view that they are 'over-performing' - Even when guys of this size are doing well some football 'experts' say - 'sure he is banging it out now ... but he can't keep it up... he won't be able to do it again next year ... because he is too small and he will wear down ... because guys this size don't last...' and as a 5' 8" player does it year after year ... the detractors keep saying "Oh, but he won't be able to keep it up..." This is similar to the bias in the minds of some baseball people that shorter guys can't be durable/effective starting pitchers.... and caused various teams to pass up future stars like Whitey Ford & Pedro Martinez & others - 'cause they were too short to make it in the majors'
So add RR's age and 'PR baggage' together with this size bias that is in the back of these football exec's minds and you have the recipe for their reluctance to 'take a risk on Ray' .... they would rather sign a 6' 1" journeyman who is 29 and was never a star -
So add RR's age and 'PR baggage' together with this size bias that is in the back of these football exec's minds and you have the recipe for their reluctance to 'take a risk on Ray' .... they would rather sign a 6' 1" journeyman who is 29 and was never a star -
Then someone is going to get a good deal and then Ray will get a relatively big paycheck next year. But the RB is just not that important to the NFL game right now. The gain from even an above average Ray Rice just isnt worth the PR problem.
I agree, the real issue is the PR problem. Plenty of teams could use a RR. Maybe he isn't as good as say 2011, but decline isn't the reason teams are not signing him. He is good enough to help a lot of teams on the field.
Ray's yards per carry the last 3 years: 4.7, 4.4, 3.1.
His yards per catch the last 3 years: 9.3, 7.8, 5.5.
His total yards: 2,068, 1,621, 981.
In his last season, the one in which he had 3.1 yards per carry and 5.5 yards per catch, Pro Football Focus rated him the worst performer at RB.
And he was dealing with a hip injury about which there has been speculation that it will linger.
There's your decline. Add to that the wife beating incident, and this is what you get.
He still might get an invitation to a camp for some team that wants to take a shot.
His yards per catch the last 3 years: 9.3, 7.8, 5.5.
His total yards: 2,068, 1,621, 981.
In his last season, the one in which he had 3.1 yards per carry and 5.5 yards per catch, Pro Football Focus rated him the worst performer at RB.
And he was dealing with a hip injury about which there has been speculation that it will linger.
There's your decline. Add to that the wife beating incident, and this is what you get.
He still might get an invitation to a camp for some team that wants to take a shot.
The 3.1 in 2013 was due to some leg issues(according to Harbaugh) that Ray played through and a bad offensive line.
Bernard Pierce went from 4.9ypc in 2012 to 2.9ypc in 2013. He was 22 at the time, was he in decline? He went back up to 3.9ypc in 2014 when their line was solidified.
Again, not saying RR is as good as he was a few years ago, but the idea that he is done is not backed up by the stats. 2013 was an outlier as it was also for Pierce who rebounded nicely. If he is healthy, and gets a chance, who says he can't be productive again.
The reason he hasn't been signed is the PR problem, not productivity. I think he may get invited to camp also. We shall see.
PR problem hasn't cooled anyone's interest in Adrian Peterson. He beat his son's scrotum with a stick until it broke.
There was no video of Adrian Petersen hitting children, and you know that if there was, he would have a worse PR problem than RR and nobody would touch him.
To me, RR was obviously wrong for hitting his wife, and has certainly paid the price, but what AD did was way worse because he hit children on multiple occasions and made a conscious decision to do it. Again, no video, so not as bad a PR problem.
We wouldn't even be talking about this if they 2nd RR video never came out, he would already be signed and probably would have played last year.
Agree. It's all about the video. If there was no video, Mike Rice would still be our coach.
But there are pictures:
Every time I see that I just think: How can an adult ever do that to a child?
Pictures arent video. Pictures of a kids leg, not matter how disgusting are not the same as a video of a dude hitting that kid, or decking his wife. Its just the way it is.But there are pictures:
Every time I see that I just think: How can an adult ever do that to a child?
I think the draft is supposed to be deep at the RB position. Anyone who has a need is going to wait until after the draft before consider unsigned vets. Ray needs to find a match with an HC and Team that has enough creditability that is willing to take the PR issues that come with signing him. Belichek could get away with it as could certain others.
Sounds like Ray Rice will soon be signed:
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/...on_the_field_very_soon_with.html#incart_river
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/...on_the_field_very_soon_with.html#incart_river
Report: Ray Rice getting 'legitimate interest' from teams
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ray-rice-getting-legititmate-interest-from-nfl-teams-report-042815?adbid=896120027092805&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275&adbsc=social_20150428_44813186&short_code=2w203
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/ray-rice-getting-legititmate-interest-from-nfl-teams-report-042815?adbid=896120027092805&adbpl=fb&adbpr=749212008450275&adbsc=social_20150428_44813186&short_code=2w203
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