Rutgers down a notch to 75

Oregon is 35

fluoxetine said:

Again, just adding up made threes would be better.

When you start excluding things you need a pretty good reason to do so, and “because it fits my narrative” is not a good reason.

To be clear I’m not accusing you of being dishonest or anything, what you are doing is a natural and common thing to do. But people really underestimate how much they start skewing things when they exclude stuff all willy nilly

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I can add up the 3s per team, but just because a team has a certain number of 3s, doesn't mean it's an effective offense.....some teams force up a lot of 3s, like Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio State. Others have their best players as inside players like Maryland with Derek Queen and Julian Reese and neither are going to be 3 point shooters.

Running an effective offensive system requires 3 basic items.

A) Can the guards, dribble, pass and shoot (and obviously defend).

B) Does the offense have any post up options from the SF, PF or Center position, where that player can make a pass or playmake out of a trap or double team.

C) Can the players on the roster dribble-drive and finish plays at the basket with a layup/dunk or quality pass to another teammate??

If you chart players based on this description above, you will either have a lot of answers with YES, or MAYBE or NO, NOT REALLY.

Then when you flip to the defensive end of the court, can the individual players

A) Defend their man most possessions, without help or fouling??

B) Does the player offer weakside help with deflections, steals or altered/blocked shots??

C) is the player able to impact or bother shooters with their hands, quickness or length, so it's more difficult to pass around them, or shoot over them??

The goal is to have as many complete players on the court, checking off as many of these boxes as possible, so the rest of the lineup can hopefully overcome, whatever gaps are missing.

The "Running an offense", was the focus of the thread and how many players can shoot 3s, because many fans somehow believe that a player that cannot drive or playmake OR create their own offense to drive and score, can somehow have screens set for them and they're going to miraculously be open every possession, as if the opposing coaches doesn't know what the player does well and what he doesn't do well.......

Good-Knight said:

JWill, Derkack, JMike, Acuff can't hit the 3 at 30%, can't hit the open 3 at 35%, can't convert on drives, no special talent for the down court pass, not great on D, few steals and not forcing turnover with pressure, below average rebounding for guards, below average in transition offense. If they weren't wearing the uniforms, they would not look like basketball players at all.

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Acuff is at 39% this year and 34% for his career.

I think people are way overthinking what went wrong. We have a coach who was committed to defense and rebounding first. Offense came in distant second. It’s how he’s found success his entire career.

This year he went against his core principles trying to surround star freshman with transfer shooters at the cost of defense first mentality. He missed dramatically with every person he brought in and here are the results.

There is a reason that when we were winning games the “speed limit” was a thing.

Hopefully I'm not breaking any rules, but this game reminded me to raise awareness of one of my favorite lacrosse related charity organizations. It's Shootout for Soldiers. The do lacrosse events to raise money to support veterans. As ex-Army and a lacrosse fan, it's of course one of my favorite organizations.


Last year, my son and I went to the event on Long Island. They had a game of veterans vs first responders then the 2nd game of NYPD vs FDNY. Was awesome. Vets out there on the field with prosthetic limbs giving the first responders a run for their money (told my son, next time I say I'm too tired for the gym, going to think of the vet out there sprinting up and down the field on a prosthetic leg).

Also, the NYPD lacrosse team is basically a pro-team. Easily 40 deep and they destroyed the FDNY.

JWill, Derkack, JMike, Acuff can't hit the 3 at 30%, can't hit the open 3 at 35%, can't convert on drives, no special talent for the down court pass, not great on D, few steals and not forcing turnover with pressure, below average rebounding for guards, below average in transition offense. If they weren't wearing the uniforms, they would not look like basketball players at all.

the game is a lot easier when you have 2-3 guys who shoot over 35% from deep. unfortunately Pike doesn’t prioritize shooting when evaluating prospects, and when we do bring in shooters we misuse them

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S_Janowski said:

Just got back from the parade.

Eagles are a world class organization.

And Philly sure knows how to throw incredible parades.

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As a Giants fan, I’m jealous. Even if the Giants do win another Super Bowl after I die, it would never be like the one in Philly or most places. 90% of football fans live and die by the Eagles as well as other places. Meanwhile you got the parade in NY while the team plays in Jersey and it’s split with the Jets… and all the other tshirt/ TV fans who route for the national teams like Cowboys, Niners, Steelers, Raiders, Chiefs, etc.

NickRU714 said:

Would Marylan or Wisconsin ever recruit sub 25% 3pt shooters as transfers?

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not to steal @rutgersal playbook.....they probably didn't have to.

The Derkack "signing" was the biggest head scratcher. Guy comes from a program that plays zone and has a big sample size of being a bad shooter. He is a terrible fit. He is a terrible defender AND he can't shoot.

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fluoxetine said:

Depends on the players imo as different players respond better to different styles. I do not believe there is anything Pike could be doing after the season started that would give us more than say, two more wins in expectation.

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Pike yes a good head coach definitely

NickKnight 1 said:

Really? Two people were shot, Imagine if they had lost
What a crap hole.

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Wonder if you said the same thing when people were shot at the Kansas City parade?

shields said:

It is just you. Oskar playing defense?

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like Martini he tried and was in the right place most some of the time.

Numbers don't lie....we played very good to elite defense last year. Our offense was vile.

NewJerseyHawk said:

The data is just what it is...how else should I show it??

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Again, just adding up made threes would be better.

When you start excluding things you need a pretty good reason to do so, and “because it fits my narrative” is not a good reason.

To be clear I’m not accusing you of being dishonest or anything, what you are doing is a natural and common thing to do. But people really underestimate how much they start skewing things when they exclude stuff all willy nilly

The answer is somewhere in between.

1. We have filled the roster with guards that can't shoot
2. The staff is not offensive oriented. We do have plays, sets, concepts and we mostly use them but are they the right ones.
3. Too many players don't use screens, set screens properly, and make off ball cuts (or I call them jogs)

ScarletKid2008 said:

I said it weeks ago. We’ve positioned ourselves where the only narrative around the team for the next 1-3 months will be “how did this go so wrong” “look how RU grossly underperformed with 2 NBA lottery picks”

these type of articles and probably even national media on tv will be talking about this. And it’ll be a several month exercise of pointing the finger. Dissecting who is to blame. And likely just general sh***ting on RU athletic dept

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It’s Pike and Hobbs screwed us. No reason for us to take it! Time to change. Bad coaching has been talked about and identified by all. Some provide excuses as reasons to keep Pike.. When the team doesn’t even try at home it’s over. Iowa was that nail in the coffin

Shelby65 said:

Half agree.

Shel: it’s not an Xs and Os failure due to coach knowledge deficit and ineptitude like some allege. He knows the game as much as any other coach.

By65: Instead, Pike’s too soft on the players. He lets them all be selfish chuckers. No accountability or shitty play guardrails. And not just this year. Players don’t learn because the coach doesn’t care.

A top tier coach wouldn’t allow that and we’d still have a shot at the NCAAs if Pappy Pike wasn’t running things.

Always a congratulatory pat on the ass when he takes players out. Rah rah rah.

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Depends on the players imo as different players respond better to different styles. I do not believe there is anything Pike could be doing after the season started that would give us more than say, two more wins in expectation.

PiscatawayMike said:

No byline... article is written by "RU in VA"... reads like a post from a disgusted fan on this board

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Possibly but it’s all true ! Pike not the guy and is bringing us to the lowest levels . No need to debate . Change is coming

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