fluoxetine said:

Well, yes, but the starting premise of your post is to count up made threes.. but only by guards that play a lot of minutes. So in your world it's not a problem if primary guards force up a lot of threes but it is a problem if other players force up a lot of threes? Why?

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If a player plays 5 to 7 minutes a game and hits 7 threes for the season, is that an effective way to determine whether the offense he plays in, is effective??

The 3s are a measurement in terms of "running an offense", so it makes sense to focus on the players for the B1G teams, that play the most minutes.....Its not as if adding back PJ Hayes 16 3s from the guard position, is somehow different than a reserve guard on Iowa or Penn State who makes 10 to 12 for the season.

The players who play the most minutes, impact the offense we run. I'm not sure why this is deemed "mental gymnastics ", it's just focusing on the players who play 80% to 90% or more of the minutes over a 40 minute game.

If I broke the data down to "made 3s per minute played", that would not be determining if the offense is effective.....I could easily say Derkack generates offense because he is able to drive and draw fouls.

It is very difficult to run any offense unless the guards have the ability to dribble, pass, shoot from 3 and score at the basket AND that player has to be a willing defender on the other end of the court.

The JMike post I made a week or so ago, highlighted that he is 13 for his last 31 from 3 point range, since the Princeton game (about 12 to 13 game stretch)..

That is a very good 3 point percentage, but the %, only impacts the offense, if he can maintain close to that productivity, with double or triple to shot attempts. That allows him to become a complete guard, IF he plays solid defense and can knock down FTs.

Was sitting on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, and a husband, wife and two children sat right next to me; Pierce Brosnan. Pat Sajak: super nice guy, talked baseball. Vanna White, also very nice, talked about her golf game.

R1766U said:

To me, breeding and raising dogs to fight and kill each other is right up there with the worst of the worst crimes.

For a human to be able to do that to dogs, you need to have severe, severe issues.

Personally, I would never want my child to be led by someone who has done what he has done.

I understand other people have different opinions, but again, personally, I would never be able to support a team or allow my child to play for him.

Here is a reminder:
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The report also states in mid-April of 2007, Vick, Peace and Phillips hung approximately three dogs who did not perform well in a "rolling session," which indicates the readiness of a dog to fight. According to the report, the three men hung the dogs "by placing a nylon cord over a 2 X 4 that was nailed to two trees located next to the big shed. They also drowned approximately three dogs by putting the dogs' heads in a five gallon bucket of water."






Did he pay his time?
21 months in prison—-is not enough time in my opinion for what he did.

Is he remorseful?
Who knows.

Does he have a right to earn a living? Of course.

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Not getting the analogy . Is your child currently or will be a top flight high school football player that would be offered a scholarship or roster spot at at an HBCU?
If so, congrats

RUGuitarMan said:

I would take Tyrod Taylor for a year or two over Ewers or Howard. They are not close to be starting QBs in the NFL. Taylor has a decent arm and can move. Ewers is limited, Howard is a better athlete but neither will be more effective than Taylor over the next 2 years.

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What, if any, QB in the 2025 draft the Jets might be able to gram in the 2nd round ( or later) do you or anyone else think might help solidify the position after sitting for a year to develop into an NFL QB.
I was thinking of Kyle McCord but he folds under pressure and I'm not sure that can be changed
ND's QB Leonard might be a good gamble, but his game really doesn't impress me as a passer. but putting in his running ability with it he might be worth it for the Jets to draft in the 2nd round or later
Kurtis Rourke did a good job for the Hoosiers and might be a steal in the 3rd after siting and learning for a year
Jaxson Dart would be a good pick but not at #7 and I doubt he makes it past the late 1st round
Donovan Smith of Houston is another one to consider and if available in the 3rd round might be worth a shot
My 4-5th round choice would be Louisville's Tyler Shough his age (25 coming out of college ) and multiple stops before making his mark at Louisville makes me feel he's worth taking in the 4th or 5th but not earlier.
I also feel the FA QBs available don't deserve a long term contract , so one year to show their stuff and then make room for the one drafted in 2025. ( or Travis if fully healthy )
Taylor might be a good place holder but not one that will make the fans happy with the way the team plays all year long .

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dpwhite said:

I swear, on messages boards, there are people who would rather be the first to call for a coach’s head than have th team win games. The loudest people on here are the people who’ve been calling for Pikes to be fired since Greg got hired.

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You could mostly likely also add and give nothing to the programs to the above…

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RU_03 said:

This season is the epitome of all things Rutgers. We finally get a unreal recruiting class (of freshman), when it matters the least. The extra covid year + NIL pay for play has really made freshman recruiting not as important as it used to be as it pertains to winning and making it far in the tourney. Both Ace and Dylan are no doubt talented, but that doesn't mean they don't make freshman mistakes. Look no further than the Kentucky Calipari teams that were even more talented with consecutive top 5/10 recruiting classes with one and done's and 1st weekend exits from the tourney.

I don't think Pike is a horrible coach, but he isn't elite either. He needs to make adjustments in how he recruits in this new NIL era and all the uncertainty around it to really get Rutgers over the hump. Can he do it? We'll see as we're not getting rid of him with the years left on his contract.

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We got ace and dylan but we didn’t get anyone else who can consistently contribute. Latham and Grant are freshmen who are acclimating. The transfers for the most part have been busts.

Pike needs money to make the adjustments you wanted to see. Without money, we are unlikely to see the success we desire. Luck isn’t a viable strategy, and that is essentially what we are depending on when we take lower level kids and hope their ability will scale to this level.

could have made all the adjustments you wanted to see and we still wouldn’t have won enough because there isn’t enough talent.

I have been a season ticket holder for 42 years
I have great seats behind the basket in the second row
Last year I was thinking about paying up and trying to get an additional first row floor seat if I could
I was thinking I would go up to a 40 k donation if I could get the seat
I thought this year could be special
Right now I'm thinking I'm not even going to renew for next year
I'll see how we do in the portal fist

NickRU714 said:

Thanks!
Wouldn't want to disappoint.

So are you boycotting the game?
In protest of Rutgers helping to support Vick as a coach and leader of young men?
Maybe contact the AD and tell them they shouldn't be supporting Vick.

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Which is as I said earlier, I wouldn’t be surprised if something like this happened.

Doctor Worm said:

I think this analogy is strained. Would I hire Vick for a veterinary practice? Nope. But as a football coach? I think there is enough separation from the nature of his crime.

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Agree.

But unlike the State Penn comparison, we have no obligation to help him there.

HBS once in a while for the FCS game? Yes. A good thing on a few levels. Just doesn’t have to be this one.

Zak57 said:

As they're going with the 6 man rotation I think Peterson is safe.

1. Senga
2. Manaea
3. Peterson
4. Montas
5. Holmes
6. Blackburn/Canning/Megill

Losers of #6 go to pen as long man in that Trevor Williams role. The other I'm not so sure. If it's Megill he might be better in a setup role.

I'm also not sure if Blackburn will be fully healthy to begin the season unless I missed something on that.

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And here is the thing- let’s say Senga really is tge Ace and Manaea and Peterson repeat last year…the rotation is all of a sudden very good.

MadRU said:

Call

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Dropped

Oregon 78, Rutgers 72

Kirstie Alley crashed my daughter's Bat Mitzvah. She was staying in same hotel and wanted to record some dancing for some social media thing she was doing(she asked first). Very gracious and hung out talking with people and taking pictures for a good 45 min.

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Oregon 91
RU 62

Ace and Dylan pack it in for the year and we close up shop.

OTOH, I can’t watch this game so this season that means an automatic win

fluoxetine said:

Depends on the players imo as different players respond better to different styles. I do not believe there is anything Pike could be doing after the season started that would give us more than say, two more wins in expectation.

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Shelby thinks more than 2. This is better than a .500 roster. It’s a team that would be flirting with the bubble rather than a team long-eliminated.

RUBlackout said:

You are wrong. You are essentially we need better players to compete. Last I looked we have two top 5 picks in the NBA draft and a record that reflects the bottom third of our league.
What makes anyone think these coaches can do more with better talent?
Pike and Schiano have both had talent on their teams—some will say they developed them—some will say their talent overcame bad coaching. It’s a chicken and the egg scenario sometimes.
I don’t see either coach doing more with better talent. Talent didn’t lose the Illinois game in football. Talent didn’t lose the game against Kennesaw state.

You are guessing at best on this. We had a generational talent in Ray Rice and didn’t make a NYE bowl.
We have generational talent in Ace/Dylan may not even make our own conference tourney.
We can argue about the surrounding talent but we have proven we can play with anyone and even win. Coaching has screwed us.

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Our two freshmen can’t do everything, and Harper hasn’t played the whole season due to illness and injury. absolutely we need better players to compete. What if we had kept Cliff like we should have had. What if we had a shooter like Miguel of Maryland. We’d be making tournament plans, not arguing whether Pike should be canned.

As for the Ray Rice teams, we had the talent to be successful, but just didn’t execute well enough to make a New Years bowl. In contrast, this year’s basketball team lacks talent.

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Back when Trump was building his course in Bedminster my dad and I decided to ride our bikes up to the estate and see how construction was going. They had just paved the cart paths but the fairways were still all dirt and being sculpted. It was around 7PM in the summer so we said what the heck lets bike the cart paths. About 5 minutes later we see a lone golf cart coming at us so we pull over to let them go hoping not to get ripped for trespassing.

The cart stops next to us and Trump, Melania, and the head of golf operations get out and shoot the shit with us for 5 minutes. I was 13 or 14 at the time and recall Trump saying to my father that he though it was awesome we were spending spontaneous time together and that he had wished his father had done more of that with him. Was a very nice conversation and in true Trump fashion he left by telling us we had to spread the word about how nice his golf course is going to be.

NewJerseyHawk said:

I can add up the 3s per team, but just because a team has a certain number of 3s, doesn't mean it's an effective offense.....some teams force up a lot of 3s, like Penn State, Iowa, Wisconsin and Ohio State.

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Well, yes, but the starting premise of your post is to count up made threes.. but only by guards that play a lot of minutes. So in your world it's not a problem if primary guards force up a lot of threes but it is a problem if other players force up a lot of threes? Why?

eedouble said:

I'm not there yet, but getting closer. And it's probably the college game in general rather than our team specifically. Free agency is killing it for me. Not only our own roster turnover. Part of the enjoyment was looking forward to the matchups year after year, following the other BIG teams and how they develop. Now, I find myself asking my kids "wait, who did he play for last year?" about half the guys on the other teams roster.

We're all Rutgers fans, but this game is becoming far too much about the individual rather than the team. The way things are going, I wonder when we take the school names off of the jerseys so the players can use the space for even more advertising and self promotion?

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Great points. It's just not the same anymore.

I'll add another one that's coming -- tournament expansion. Once that inevitably happens, the regular season will be seriously devalued. But hey, if we're gonna be bottom half of the league maybe that's a good thing in terms of Rutgers and making our seasons relevant beyond early February. Even if it's bad for the sport overall.

Hawk’s basic premise is accurate (despite the mental gymnastics to make it appear even more accurate) — we lack guards who are COMPLETE players, who can defend, handle, drive, and shoot.

We only have one such guard — Dylan Harper.

All of our other guards/wings have severe flaws in some parts of their game that render them nearly unplayable in certain matchups … except they HAVE to play because they’re all we got.

Does anybody think that Derkack or Hayes would play on any other team, or that JMike and Acuff would be anything more than deep reserves? And JWill is nothing more than a backup PG on a good team, as he shoots 20% from deep.

That’s our 5-guard rotation behind Harper, and it’s ugly. Like, really ugly. A Frankenstein of a guard rotation.

Meanwhile, Kevin Willard hit the jackpot in the portal with three “2-way” guards who can do everything including shoot. Green with envy at what he’s been able to do down in College Park.