20 years in - Greg is who he is

[JayDogSmooth]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Need bigger NIL donations. Raise the $$ get the good team! Simple as that

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Need bigger NIL donations. Raise the $$ get the good team! Simple as that

It’s chicken / egg
What comes first, winning or increased donations?

 

[DennisHajekRC84]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

I couldn't agree more. Take out the first two 0-7 seasons and he is still 38-63 in conference. Those are his peer teams unless you want to go ahead and further credit him for OSU,UM, PSU and he is still well under water.

 

[rutgersguy1]

How's all the spending working out at FSU? They look atrocious. OU has resources and looks hapless and "wisely" doled out a nice big extension to Venables. Michigan has resources and their qb situation looks horrible. USC just doled out a bunch of money to Riley and has a loaded NIL roster and is 1-4 currently in the B10. I think 5-9 or 5-10 in the last 14-15 games. Auburn winless in the SEC currently and 2-5 and also with a poor qb situation.

NIL is always an easy scapegoat and much of it is unknown, ambiguous or flat out lies. Some players make big money and a lot don't or it's "in kind" that's not even something you get to keep. Spending guarantees you nothing and you can be just as bad or worse than if you hadn't spent as much. Generally, I see more profligate spending than I see judicious wise spending. Plus not every player is motivated by only that. It can be combination of things like playing time and everyone is different.

It's always, need more more more rather than how can you make it work/go with what you have. It's nice and helpful to have more more more but if you're not smart with it, it's just a big fat waste. Every school has a different wherewithal and that's just reality and a lot of good accomplishments can be achieved regardless of wherewithal. We see it with IU this year, Duke in recent times or Kansas. ISU and BYU and Pitt this year. Boise with a possible Heisman front runner who stayed and whose lone loss is 3 pts on the road last second to Oregon. Army/Navy even. TCU/Cincy in recent past. I've said this many times here, if anything I see the talent and opportunity are spread around college football more than ever and many schools have chances to do things they haven't done in a long time or ever. There will never be full parity but it's as good as its ever been.

Some stats about IU I posted in the other thread. They're having a great year. I don't believe all that passed us by stuff etc... It's a good season just like TCU/Cincy etc..doesn't mean it will last. That only time will tell and there will have to be retooling by Cignetti if he's still there as a lot of veterans are on the team. But they can enjoy the year for what it is right now. A lot of things are possible these days for all kinds of schools with varying resources that weren't in the past and doesn't take some monster war chest to do it.



From Big Noon yesterday and stories I've read.

Also said 90% of the roster are 0-3 stars out of high school.

44 players on the team were 0 stars out of high school

I read Rourke was only recruited by Vandy, BYU, WF when he entered the portal.

30 transfers taken (I thought it was 23), 13 from JMU.

Only 14 starters out of 40 stayed on the team. 37 players hit the portal. 3 returning starters and 14 transfers in their starting lineup against NW.

He brought in veteran players so next year, he'll have retooling to do if he's still there. But like I've said take it year to year and strike as hard as you can while the iron is hot because you don't know when the next opportunity will come. See TCU, Cincy etc..but those were great years for those schools.

 

[jtung230]

We played better complimentary football last year. We have better passing stats but our inability to run the football consistently has cost us games.

 

[jtung230]

How's all the spending working out at FSU? They look atrocious. OU has resources and looks hapless and "wisely" doled out a nice big extension to Venables. Michigan has resources and their qb situation looks horrible. USC just doled out a bunch of money to Riley and has a loaded NIL roster and is 1-4 currently in the B10. I think 5-9 or 5-10 in the last 14-15 games. Auburn winless in the SEC currently and 2-5 and also with a poor qb situation.

NIL is always an easy scapegoat and much of it is unknown, ambiguous or flat out lies. Some players make big money and a lot don't or it's "in kind" that's not even something you get to keep. Spending guarantees you nothing and you can be just as bad or worse than if you hadn't spent as much. Generally, I see more profligate spending than I see judicious wise spending. Plus not every player is motivated by only that. It can be combination of things like playing time and everyone is different.

It's always, need more more more rather than how can you make it work/go with what you have. It's nice and helpful to have more more more but if you're not smart with it, it's just a big fat waste. Every school has a different wherewithal and that's just reality and a lot of good accomplishments can be achieved regardless of wherewithal. We see it with IU this year, Duke in recent times or Kansas. ISU and BYU and Pitt this year. Boise with a possible Heisman front runner who stayed and whose lone loss is 3 pts on the road last second to Oregon. Army/Navy even. TCU/Cincy in recent past. I've said this many times here, if anything I see the talent and opportunity spread around college football more than ever and many schools have chances to do things they haven't done in a long time or ever. There will never be full parity but it's as good as its ever been.

Some stats about IU I posted in the other thread. They're having a great year. I don't believe all that passed us by stuff etc... It's a good season just like TCU/Cincy etc..doesn't mean it will last. That only time will tell and there will have to be retooling by Cignetti if he's still there as a lot of veterans are on the team. But they can enjoy the year for what it is right now. A lot of things are possible these days for all kinds of schools that weren't in the past and doesn't take some monster war chest to do it.



From Big Noon yesterday and stories I've read.

Also said 90% of the roster are 0-3 stars out of high school.

44 players on the team were 0 stars out of high school

I read Rourke was only recruited by Vandy, BYU, WF when he entered the portal.

30 transfers taken (I thought it was 23), 13 from JMU.

Only 14 starters out of 40 stayed on the team. 37 players hit the portal. 3 returning starters and 14 transfers in their starting lineup against NW.

He brought in veteran players so next year, he'll have retooling to do if he's still there. But like I've said take it year to year and strike as hard as you can while the iron is hot because you don't know when the next opportunity will come. See TCU, Cincy etc..but those were great years for those schools.

Counter argument. Is it working for Bama, UGA, OSU, Oregon, Tenn, PSU, ND, LSU?

 

[MCY]

We played better complimentary football last year. We have better passing stats but our inability to run the football consistently has cost us games.

We can generally pass block because we are good at standing in the way of the defenders, but it is killing us in the running game because we simply stand in the way rather than push anyone back. Compare what happens to our dline as compared to the opposition - night and day. Sad that we can't find enough big men to field a competitive B1G roster.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

How's all the spending working out at FSU? They look atrocious. OU has resources and looks hapless and "wisely" doled out a nice big extension to Venables. Michigan has resources and their qb situation looks horrible. USC just doled out a bunch of money to Riley and has a loaded NIL roster and is 1-4 currently in the B10. I think 5-9 or 5-10 in the last 14-15 games. Auburn winless in the SEC currently and 2-5 and also with a poor qb situation.

NIL is always an easy scapegoat and much of it is unknown, ambiguous or flat out lies. Some players make big money and a lot don't or it's "in kind" that's not even something you get to keep. Spending guarantees you nothing and you can be just as bad or worse than if you hadn't spent as much. Generally, I see more profligate spending than I see judicious wise spending. Plus not every player is motivated by only that. It can be combination of things like playing time and everyone is different.

It's always, need more more more rather than how can you make it work/go with what you have. It's nice and helpful to have more more more but if you're not smart with it, it's just a big fat waste. Every school has a different wherewithal and that's just reality and a lot of good accomplishments can be achieved regardless of wherewithal. We see it with IU this year, Duke in recent times or Kansas. ISU and BYU and Pitt this year. Boise with a possible Heisman front runner who stayed and whose lone loss is 3 pts on the road last second to Oregon. Army/Navy even. TCU/Cincy in recent past. I've said this many times here, if anything I see the talent and opportunity are spread around college football more than ever and many schools have chances to do things they haven't done in a long time or ever. There will never be full parity but it's as good as its ever been.

Some stats about IU I posted in the other thread. They're having a great year. I don't believe all that passed us by stuff etc... It's a good season just like TCU/Cincy etc..doesn't mean it will last. That only time will tell and there will have to be retooling by Cignetti if he's still there as a lot of veterans are on the team. But they can enjoy the year for what it is right now. A lot of things are possible these days for all kinds of schools with varying resources that weren't in the past and doesn't take some monster war chest to do it.



From Big Noon yesterday and stories I've read.

Also said 90% of the roster are 0-3 stars out of high school.

44 players on the team were 0 stars out of high school

I read Rourke was only recruited by Vandy, BYU, WF when he entered the portal.

30 transfers taken (I thought it was 23), 13 from JMU.

Only 14 starters out of 40 stayed on the team. 37 players hit the portal. 3 returning starters and 14 transfers in their starting lineup against NW.

He brought in veteran players so next year, he'll have retooling to do if he's still there. But like I've said take it year to year and strike as hard as you can while the iron is hot because you don't know when the next opportunity will come. See TCU, Cincy etc..but those were great years for those schools.

How’s it working out for Bama, Georgia & Texas?

Can’t live in the portal which FSU has done, as there are good years and some will be bad years.

Recruiting, development, and retention are the three keys

You backfilling the portal, not vice versa
And to do all that, it takes, wait for it… Money

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Counter argument. Is it working for Bama, UGA, OSU, Oregon, Tenn, PSU, ND, LSU?

Bingo x 1000000

 

[jtung230]

We can generally pass block because we are good at standing in the way of the defenders, but it is killing us in the running game because we simply stand in the way rather than push anyone back. Compare what happens to our dline as compared to the opposition - night and day. Sad that we can't find enough big men to field a competitive B1G roster.

I said it in another post. The OL focused on run blocking last year and did it well. The OC wanted to highlight his passing attack and OL is more focus on pass blocking and are not getting g the pad level down on runs.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Counter argument. Is it working for Bama, UGA, OSU, Oregon, Tenn, PSU, ND, LSU?

Sure it can work and be helpful, mind you it doesn't seem to be working for Alabama this year. Saban was their magic wand not NIL. This is my main point, people think spending more money is some magic wand and boom everything will be great. It's not the panacea if you don't use it wisely. It's helpful but it can just as easily be a big waste. More times than not it falls on the waste end of it.

Also some of those schools are at the highest end of the spending range but a lot of them haven't sniffed a championship or playoff yet since this new world of NIL and portal has opened up. That's what they're looking for, not some meaningless bowl.

We will never be on that high end of the range unless some godfather billionaire shows up. But that's the case for most schools and that's the point. You can still have big accomplishments without that fairy godfather and we see it across college football more lately.

 

[beaced]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

You used the words elite level a few times But we are so far from being there that they are out of sight. I will be happy with6-8 win seasons and leave elite for other programs to have. Just no more basement residency

 

[rutgersguy1]

How’s it working out for Bama, Georgia & Texas?

Can’t live in the portal which FSU has done, as there are good years and some will be bad years.

Recruiting, development, and retention are the three keys

You backfilling the portal, not vice versa
And to do all that, it takes, wait for it… Money

It's not working so well for Alabama this year as they're on the verge of not even making the CFP. Scraping by USCe keeps them in the convo barely. Their magic wand was Saban not NIL. All these schools aren't spending that much for 7-9 wins, they're doing it looking for championships.

Point is that spending lots of money is no guarantee of anything and you can name others who have spent a lot and are absolutely lousy. It can be just as big a waste as it can lead to something big. And you look to the highest levels of the sport in spending where RU (and most schools) will never be and even those high end schools can flop too despite their spending.

If anything in CFB and probably college athletics, I see more waste and profligacy than I do judiciousness.

 

[MCY]

I said it in another post. The OL focused on run blocking last year and did it well. The OC wanted to highlight his passing attack and OL is more focus on pass blocking and are not getting g the pad level down on runs.

Amazing that other B1G teams appear to be able to do both - run and pass block at a D1 level, but not RU. Sad state of affairs.

 

[yessir321]

Need bigger NIL donations. Raise the $$ get the good team! Simple as that

It’s really not that simple. Of course NIL plays a role, but let’s just look at USC and Indiana. USC is a dumpster fire at this point under Kiffen with among the highest NIL donations in the country, meanwhile Indiana football is 7-0, just beat the brakes off of Nebraska, and certainly has comparable NIL to us

 

[WhoRU?]

1.0 kicked extra points, field goals, and returned kicks.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

You used the words elite level a few times But we are so far from being there that they are out of sight. I will be happy with6-8 win seasons and leave elite for other programs to have. Just no more basement residency

I’ve used that term because I truly believe we can get that at level, and I’m frustrated that we haven’t already reached it and do not appear on our way to reach at any time soon

 

[JayDogSmooth]

It's not working so well for Alabama this year as they're on the verge of not even making the CFP. Scraping by USCe keeps them in the convo barely. Their magic wand was Saban not NIL. All these schools aren't spending that much for 7-9 wins, they're doing it looking for championships.

Point is that spending lots of money is no guarantee of anything and you can name others who have spend and are absolutely lousy. It can be just as big a waste as it can lead to something big. And you look to the highest levels of the sport in spending where RU (and most schools) will never be and even those high end schools can flop too despite their spending.

If anything in CFB and probably college athletics, I see more waste and profligacy than I do judiciousness.

It’s not even worth debating, you need money, and lots of it, to consistently compete at a high-level

End of story

 

[rutgersguy1]

It’s not even worth debating, you need money, and lots of it, to consistently compete at a high-level

End of story

The only thing that you need lots of money for is winning a CFB championship. That's the one place I've said only a handful of schools have the real opportunity to win one.

Outside of that a lot of other good and big accomplishments can be achieved regardless of resources.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

The only thing that you needs lots of money for is winning a CFB championship. That's the one place I've said only a handful of schools have the real opportunity to win one.

Outside of that a lot of other good and big accomplishments can be achieved regardless of resources.

And to consistently cooperate a high level
Which we absolutely have the ability to do

 

[rutgersguy1]

And to consistently cooperate a high level
Which we absolutely have the ability to do

Even consistency isn’t a guarantee as you see with your FSU team this year and others I’ve mentioned.

Money is helpful but at most places including some of the bigger spenders it’s somewhat of a year to year thing.

 

[bigmatt718]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

I agree. He'd be an ace of an AD here, but he's not a good football coach. Need someone who can not play Meathead Football on Saturdays.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Even consistency isn’t a guarantee as you see with your FSU team this year and others I’ve mentioned.

Money is helpful but at most places including some of the bigger spenders it’s somewhat of a year to year thing.

Nothing is a guarantee, but the more money you have, the higher likelihood you have to achieve greatness on a consistent level

Name one team that does not have a lot of money that is consistently Elite? Do you have your flash in the pants like a Cincinnati or a TCU, and then they are back to realityP

 

[JayDogSmooth]

I agree. He'd be an ace of an AD here, but he's not a good football coach. Need someone who can not play Meathead Football on Saturdays.

He is stuck coaching like Joe Pa did, except for the fact that Joe Pa had way more talent and that style stopped working about 30 years ago

 

[rutgersguy1]

Nothing is a guarantee, but the more money you have, the higher likelihood you have to achieve greatness on a consistent level

Name one team that does not have a lot of money that is consistently Elite? Do you have your flash in the pants like a Cincinnati or a TCU, and then they are back to realityP

That’s most schools. You act like every school has Saban or even Smart. Thats their biggest cogs.

The two schools that were in the champ game last year, have they fallen back down to earth? Neither will sniff the playoffs let alone make the champ game. Michigan has big resources too, whathas it done for them this year. They can’t even field a satisfactory qb this year. Most places you just take it as a year to year thing.

 

[RUBlackout]

I think Schiano's main issue is that he continues to do the same things over and again with the players he has.

What do I mean? He calls his plays and decision making as if he has the Jimmy and Joes to compete heads up against the other team. Instead we lack the talent in many places so we should be trying to catch teams off guard with change and optionality. For example, continuing to run up the middle when you know they have the box loaded and we dont have the guys upfront to get the push we need to open holes. Where is a jet sweep? Where are RB screens like UCLA used all day yesterday? We just keep doing the same things over and again and I feel like that really talks to who Schiano is. Keep doing the same things time and again until we get it right....definition of insanity when they dont work.

Based on this mentality we will never be able to compete head to head with other talented teams. While many think Whisky or UCLA are on the same level as us due to record they are not. They have talent.

We need to approach the game differently. Its why I am getting so frustrated lately without seeing the defense blitzing early and often with a Schiano team--at least on that side of the ball we have been creative over time but have not seen it recently

 

[RUDivision]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

Well written but he is not a great man!
Ask any family in happy valley or anyone in Tampa or Ohio State. His coaching was secondary on why he was fired from both jobs. Not a good man!

 

[yessir321]

That’s most schools. You act like every school has Saban or even Smart. Thats their biggest cogs.

The two schools that were in the champ game last year, have they fallen back down to earth? Neither will sniff the playoffs let alone make the champ game. Michigan has big resources too, whathas it done for them this year. They can’t even field a satisfactory qb this year. Most places you just take it as a year to year thing.

Michigan’s QB situation is so bad rn Dave Portnoy is publicly offering to buy them a top QB each year🤣

 

[wicker]

Counter argument. Is it working for Bama, UGA, OSU, Oregon, Tenn, PSU, ND, LSU?

They were OK pre-NIL

 

[Section124]

Agree with your post. Greg is a great guy and one you know will take care of your kid. However for all the reasons you site that is why I did not want him back. My preference was for Bielema. I heard that is who Hobbs preferred.

Greg is a 6-8 win coach at the most. No field house will ever get top QBs with him here. He’s just too conservative. Yesterday was a great example of why he overthinks things:

1) UCLA pass defense was horrible. We had good success throwing downfield yet KC/GS kept running the ball or throwing 2-3 years passes when we needed 10.
2) special teams - GS 1.0 was known for blocking kicks and kick returns. He’s so afraid to make any mistakes now it hurts the team. With the fair catch on every kickoff/punt, there is no ability for a huge plays/game changing momentum. Puts too much stress on offense for long series to score.

The pro Greg fan boys here are just too much. Nice coach. Runs solid program. Just dont expect to ever be great. Even Penis Head Politi is anti-Greg again. And Saban said on GameDay a few weeks ago Greg’s style will never win in today game. He knows because he was the same way at one point.

 

[jtung230]

Amazing that other B1G teams appear to be able to do both - run and pass block at a D1 level, but not RU. Sad state of affairs.

Our OC seems determined to show everyone he can coach a pass 1st O. What he should be doing is build off the run game. Our portal QB is a backup at a school that finished below us last year. The only reason we took him because of the connection with the OC

 

[Hardslider21]

It’s not even worth debating, you need money, and lots of it, to consistently compete at a high-level

End of story

That’s why it won’t happen here. It never was part of our culture. The athletics department is basically self funded the university doesn’t pump money into it. That culture won’t change and it’s seriously doubtful that donors are going to pump tens of millions yearly into paying football players. It is what it is, the scheduling gods blessed us with not playing the best teams this year. Here we are again hoping to get to 6-6

 

[jtung230]

They were OK pre-NIL

They had their own NIL before NIL.

 

[RUforlife]

He is, what he is, a mediocre college football coach at the FBS level. I always believed he would have been a legendary lower-level head coach at some university like Tubby Raymond was at Delaware.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Our OC seems determined to show everyone he can coach a pass 1st O. What he should be doing is build off the run game. Our portal QB is a backup at a school that finished below us last year. The only reason we took him because of the connection with the OC

But that’s how it works a lot of times. Cam Ward went tonight WSU because his OC from Incarnate Word went there. Des Reid at the top of country this year in all purpose yards came with Kade Bell from Western Carolina to Pitt. Cignetti an and his JMU players. You just hope the players that tag along can contribute.

 

[ashokan]

In his presser he makes good points about even the guys playing are hurting (hurt and injured being different).
He says he's not feeling dire about the team and promises "We'll get there."

I've heard that a lot but the biggest problem that always remains is futility on offense.
The red zone in particular is a 20 year problem.
Fruitlessly bang your head of the wall three times and attempt a FG - over and over.
Run the same plays the defense knows with eyes closed over and over.
RU offense wasn't horrible vs UCLA but still bombed in RZ - like the 6 play Neb RZ disaster media wrote about.
Lost 4 points in a 3 point game

Bring-in 3 and 4 star QBs and then have them transfer out.
Aside from getting lucky at RB/WR now and then, the offense is eventually a sink hole that opens up.
TKR guys made a point about how UCLA went on 4th on their own 19 to get a first while RU plays safe, shelled turtle offense.
Playing "not to lose" is lame game when defense is a mess and cant make turnovers or bring heat.

RU is 114th for TFLs and 85th for sacks and has been slipping each week.
RU was once around top 12 for total defense in Sept and is now 90th
Cant run a "safe" offense without the stout defense - Minnesota media sees Gopher play is prone to the same issues.
RU would make offenses with Caleb Williams and Shedeur Sanders look bad

 

[jtung230]

But that’s how it works a lot of times. Cam Ward went tonight WSU because his OC from Incarnate Word went there. Des Reid at the top of country this year in all purpose yards came with Kade Bell from Western Carolina to Pitt. Cignetti an and his JMU players. You just hope the players that tag along can contribute.

All the QBs you mentioned were not benched at the previous schools. Our portal QB was a backup for a bad team.

ETA we brought in a QB that was supposed to help win the tough games against elite competition. Now we are losing to bottom half teams.

 

[Knight Shift]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

A stent at Tampa? I know, it's a typo, but be still his beating heart.

Good post. A game against Michigan would be welcomed this year--maybe swap out Illinois for them. Looks like Michigan State found some life too. New coach this year, and he's a good one, and things are finally clicking for them. Probably will not take them long, certainly not 5 years, to come back to winning ways. Jonathan Smith turned Oregon State around at 10-3 in year 5.

Have said it several times, maybe the DC was propped up by his LBs coach Hetherman, who is doing well as DC of Minnesota.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Great man, father figure, builder of programs

As I’ve said countless times, if I had a son who was fortunate enough to earn a division one football scholarship, and even more fortunate to be offered one by this prestigious university, I would love for Greg to Coach him

But he is who he is at the stage, head coach wise
Two decades in, he is not going to change

Coaches D w the best of them
Put an emphasis on special teams
And generally, the guys play extremely hard

But this is big boy Division I football
And unfortunately, the ceiling with this guy is eight wins, especially in the Big Ten

I know were depleted with the injuries, but this season matched up perfectly to make a big run

No Michigan
No Ohio State
No Cult

We’re five years in to his second tenure here, and he had a stent in Tampa as an NFL coach and Ohio State as a defensive coordinator

He said, ample time to learn from elite coaches,, and gravitate towards the modern day college football

Aside from not running his coaches into the ground and berating scouts and media alike, I do not see much change from GS 1.0 to GS 2.0

I am glad we brought him back and truly felt that he was the only man for this monumental rebuild after Ash completely gutted the program

What he’s done done here twice has been nothing short to miraculous, and for that I will always be grateful

But he is not getting us over the hump to that elite level that I truly believe we can compete at

I know it will never happen, but I would love for him to slide into the a AD slot once we have settled on a president

The guy knows how to get things done politically in this toxic climate of New Jersey, and I believe he would be a successful athletic Director overseeing all of the programs that we have

Just my two cents, I don’t know why I’m even getting frustrated because the man is never going to change, and as I’ve said repeatedly here, we’re not going to be elite under him, but given all the hope and build up for the season, it is extremely disappointing nonetheless

My question is: What is elite level? I agree with much of the other things you say.

As an FSU fan, you assume I think correctly they have more resources than most in the ACC. But look at the results as of late.

I think there is basically no real good excuse for RU not be a 7-9 win B1G team. I think we were on track before the crazy injury spree. And I think GS at least gets next year to fix that.

But is that elite?

People like to mention Indiana but I don't think we have a Mark Cuban buying a team of transfers. If there was we probably have 1 or 2 losses at most right now.