This class isn't special. 2012 was ACTUALLY a special class. A baffoon went 8-5 with it yet somehow (most likely) blundered away a bowl game with it this year. The 2016 class ain't a make or break one guys. Competent staff is priority number one and right now we don't have one. Wake up people.
2016 Class
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FYI, as of this moment:
Scout - 36
Rivals - 43 (7 teams with higher average rating below us and I don't think our average is gonna go up...)
247 - 50th and dropping
Scout - 36
Rivals - 43 (7 teams with higher average rating below us and I don't think our average is gonna go up...)
247 - 50th and dropping
Plus whose to say if we bring in a home run hire (like Schiano ;)) that recruits wouldn't stick to their commitments? Either way the recruiting class should have no baring on firing Flood (other than the sub par recruiting classes he's been bringing in the last few years compared with our competition).
I think this is a respectable class with some solid prospects. -That said, what might or might not happen with it shouldn't be a determining factor regarding whether Flood is retained or let go. And if he is shown the door, then each verbal will have to make his own decision about whether he stays or looks elsewhere, which is exactly what happens at any school when the current HC is fired.
The odds are very improbable that a 4th year coach with a 26-20 total record is going to make it to his 8th/9th year to see the player graduate, so he better fall in love with a school, not a coach.
As far as QB goes i'd think every major school ''B1G/SEC/PAC'' already has secured their prospected future commits.I doubt theirs as many opening/opportunities left outside the MAC enticing enough ...
See how it plays the rest of the season but for an upgrade so would i...we'd make up for whatever we lost in the next 2 classes in spades with a HC with buzz/charisma.
Plus we may even flip a few that are committed to other teams.
It does happen a lot at this level, and admittedly, I don't spend enough time on other rivals pages to know how negative they are. What I do know is that Flood has really been cut down at the knees by both the school and the fans since he got here. Fans have wanted him out since the first loss, and there is non-stop posting of "demands" that he be fired, etc. The school let it leak that they were trying to replace him, and they had him on that short contract which just led to all types of speculation he was going to be a short term solution here.
All of that makes it really easy to negative recruit the guy. It would be great if kids committed to the school, but its rarely the case at a place like Rutgers. We don't have the winning tradition. Kids are going to commit here because of their relationship with the coaches...that's about it. And when there is evidence everywhere that the HC is on the way out, it makes it really easy for competing schools to tell a recruit he is better off not taking a chance on RU, and that he should instead go with a sure thing.
Maybe so. See my other post on possible reasons "Flood has always struggled with recruiting" though. I am no big Flood defender, I am more annoyed with the non-stop negativity and speculation. I wish people would just let the season play out. At the end of the day, Flood is going to be judged on wins and losses. As far as his inability to avoid getting blown out, we don't really know that yet. I could make the other argument, easily.
I would say we played more unique opponents in a 3 year span than anyone ever in the history of college football. I would say that, combined with moving up a level put us at a hug competitive disadvantage last year. Our players were not ready for the level of competition they were facing, and our coaches had zero first hand experience with these teams. We still managed a winning record overall.
In year 2, so far, we have a bad loss to PSU with a 1st year starting QB in his first real test on the road, in a game played in terrible weather. Then we have a blowout loss to OSU, who would blow out probably 80% of all college football teams on any given weekend. We also had the misfortune of playing OSU with JT Barrett, which Indiana and UMD didn't have to endure.
MSU blew us out last year, as did Wisconsin. We had MSU won, they beat us on a ridiculous catch on 3rd and 9 with a minute and a half to go (with the same 1st year starter). That's measurable improvement. We still have Nebraska, Wisconsin, and a vastly improved Michigan on the schedule. If we are in all of those games until the wire, I could argue that is actually a pretty big improvement.
I hear what you are saying but Golden was on the ropes for the last 2 years and his recruiting is great. The Va HC has been terrible for too long and he recruits better as well as Edsell who was fired.
it's out of your / our hands, remember ,we are fans / spectators not wanna be ADs'. Enjoy or don't enjoy the drama, that's about all you can do.
- sorry we didn't have "MSU won." Not in any way, shape, or form. They rolled off 17-straight, to go up 24-14, before we came back to tie it then they - as they did on their 1st 2 drives of the 2nd half - easily marched downfield and scored. We weren't stopping them on that drive, sorry, they scored easily. 10 plays, 76 yards, 3:40 of "we ARE going to score and you are NOT going to stop us."
- we played well, yes, but it was HPSS on a Saturday night and MSU hasn't blown anyone out this year. BTW - they completely fizzled on their 1st 2 drives otherwise they would have put up another 2 TD's on us.
- everyone loses personnel, every year, we all know this, but do you realize they not only lost an absolute shitload of talent to the NFL (IIRC 7 defensive starters?), but they also lost 3 starting OL, including a probable 1st Team AA, from summer camp to our game?
- we took advantage of our scoring opportunities this game, THAT is what we did well, as we took advantage of a depleted secondary with LC, but only managed 350 yards of offense while giving up 500.
As of right now I would call this game the "exception" to the season, based on what our O/D have/have't done, against good/bad O's and D's to date.
I don't disagree. I just said I could make the argument that we had a strong first year, and are showing improvement. Again, all I am saying is that there is no need for the non-stop bitch fest about Flood. Its not only unnecessary, but counter productive. It will play out, and like I said, we will know a hell of a lot more about the abilities of this coaching staff at the end of the year. Wisconsin and Nebraska are the big ones for me, plus I don't want to see a blowout up in Ann Arbor. Play all 3 of those games close, and it would be difficult to not admit the team improved this year.
And, no matter how you slice it, if the MSU receiver doesn't make the one handed catch over his shoulder on 3rd and 9, we win that game.
I'll let you have the last word.
He's like 2-20 against teams with winning records and is a sneak, liar, and doesn't listen when told not to do things he shouldn't be doing in the first place.
Fair enough, but....
....I'm still not getting how we "win that game" if he doesn't make the catch on 3rd and 9. I assume you're talking about the one to Shelton, for a 25-yard gain, right? It's a tie game. Maybe they punt and force a TO then score. Maybe they punt, force a 3-and-out, then score. Maybe they punt, we score quick on a big play, then they score and it goes OT and they win. Too many variables, honestly, to say "we win that game" but sure it's possible. [thumb2][thumb2]
It just gets so confusing. Wining and losing doesn't matter its how you win or lose or how many you lose by until that doesn't matter, like against Michigan State, because then it just matters that we lost but then we go 8-5 and exceed all expectations and then it matters that we lost by a lot and it really matters who we beat until we blow out a good team in a bowl game and then, somehow that doesn't matter. It does then matter that we lose to a team that many thought wasn't good (WSU) and then it turns out they are good but that doesn't matter because only winning and losing counts unless it doesn't like making bowl games every year, having big comebacks, being 26-20, but that doesn't matter when you get blown out by Ohio State....whew....hope you understand why I just can't follow along so easily........
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Lol at losing "high profile" recruits. We have MAYBE 2 high profile guys (Rene and Russo). I think we have a few sleepers in this class, but this was yet another terrible job by Flood. The only people hyping this class were those that believed in that "Rutgers Guys" nonesense.
Well, It was "hyped" by other people, too, they're just not on these boards anymore.
Did we not have a QB who lacked proper footwork until he was a senior or who was left in games where the threw a bunch of picks- both games that would have been won with a steady hand?
Let me try to follow your lack of logic.......... you made the following post about Flood Ruining Schiano High Star Recruits - to which you were challenged about which of those recruits he "ruined".
Your justification example was Gary Nova who was a 3 Star Recruit....which by your applied logic in many threads about Flood recruits is not a "High Star" recruit. Further, part of your logical example was that Nova was "ruined" because he was left in 2 games where he threw a bunch of interceptions. Just like most of your posts....really makes little sense.
Come on guy. Not necessary to continue this. We're all supposed to be on the same team. They were wrong but that's no reason to shove it down their throat at every chance.
From what I read, there are several gems in this class.
Yeah, Nova was so ruined after PSU that he only went 64%, 844 yds, 7 TD's and 1 Int in the next 3 games including one of his best career games against Michigan.
Without a doubt there were games Nova should have been pulled but unfortunately we didn't have Rettig, Dare etc in the program to replace him.
It wasn't a matter of them being "wrong," it was about how and why they went about things they did, and the bs spewed in doing so. It cause a lot of wars here, for literally no reason, and that's what still has me pissed off I guess. Sorry.
Yeah, it did cause some no holds bared, bare knuckle brawls.
OT - You know what makes me happy? In 5-6 weeks or so it'll be over one way or another. We'll know the direction the administration takes. Either way I keep hoping against hope the fans will get behind whatever decision they make.
Of course I also believe in Unicorns, The Tooth Fairy, and think politicians are in it for the good of the people,
and if Indiana didn't muff the punt, RU is 2-5 and Floods future has already been determined
and if the RU DB holds on to the interception vs WSU, RU is 4-3 with bowl aspirations.
This is a fun game. Thanks for starting it.
Flood is a like a cockroach. He keeps surviving every single time you think he couldn't possibly survive. Jersey Strong should be renamed to Flood Strong...
Just a neutral guy here, but it's weird in this scenario you didnt list any results where Rutgers wins!!!! :)
Edsall never could recruit....Mike Locksley's came in when RE was almost dumped in a mutiny under pressure from the AD and saved his rotten carcass....even that didn't help UMd....now ML is interim but hes ONLY a great recruiter whose a lousy coach....lets see whats next ''As the World Turns'' lol...i can't believe anyone bought into RE as innovative or even a better than average HC..
Again, I was saying you could make the argument. It wasn't the point of what I was saying. at all.
My point was that the non-stop bitching about Flood, and handwringing over whether he will or should be fired, is needless, and harmful. It should be clear one way or another by the end of the season.
Anyone that is hired by Edsall, you give credit to the HC. They have 4 4 stars this year. The point is that Flood isn't a good recruiter and even Edsall did a better job. Excuses that Flood is about to be fired doesn't explain his bad recruiting. No one said he's a great coach.
Would you say 7 points or less are close games?
If so. RU is 5-3 in close games the past year and a half. 4-1 last year, 1-2 this year.
This is in no way a defense of Flood, just pointing out that reality is sometimes different than perception.
