Another Schiano Thread (yes, there's mutual interest according to my sources)...

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  1. RU848789

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    I posted a couple of months ago about there being mutual interest between Rutgers and Schiano, should Ash falter further and be fired. Nothing with respect to that statement has changed, as there's still strong mutual interest between Rutgers and Schiano, according to my sources. Doesn't mean he'll be hired, but he's absolutely a candidate.

    With regard to Greg's interest, the source I've used over the past ~20 years has confirmed that Greg is quite interested in the position. Like any source, it's possible his info is wrong (even though it's first hand, but maybe Greg is just being cagey), but this source is very good friends with Greg from way back in their playing days together at Bucknell and was right when it came to Greg turning down Miami and Michigan.

    Another source tells me several of RU's big boosters are pro-Schiano guys, which is no surprise to many who know these boosters. What I don't know is what Hobbs thinks. I can only hope that these boosters are able to convince him that Greg is the best choice - unless Hobbs pulls a rabbit out of the hat and is able to afford bringing in a gamechanger as head coach.

    I wasn't intending to rehash my thoughts on why I think Greg is a top choice, but I will repost a few high level points on that (which I just said in another thread on Greg).

    Most intelligent people will look at Greg's record and evaluate his 2005-2011 run, after rebuilding the program from the abyss (arguably a worse one than we're in now, since we had no program/facilities, like we do now), where we went 56-33/25-24 and won 5 of 6 bowl games played in 7 years. Including one magical season where we finished #12 in the country and one tragic one, where we went 4-8.

    No, we didn't win a BE championship or beat WVU, but we were always in the hunt (in a BE that had slightly better Sagarin ratings than the B1G back then, over those years), but Greg built a good to very good program where there was nothing before, primarily due to his attention to detail, passion, recruiting prowess and ability to spot and develop underappreciated talent. His accomplishments were directly responsible for us getting the new stadium, better facilities, achieving a great APR, and eventually getting the B1G invite.

    Lastly, I also think that many of the criticisms of Schiano (control freak, inability to delegate, overly harsh/demanding, etc.) have some validity and Schiano actually agreed with much of the criticism in the Thamel article in SI that came out after Schiano was fired from TB. In that article Schiano really showed some great self-assessment and introspection in sharing some of the things he didn't do well at in the NFL and in college and how his next head coaching gig would incorporate some changes, including a bunch of things he observed in his year after TB, visiting other teams.

    Many of the things he discussed, if Greg addresses them as well as he articulated them, would likely address the concerns many have, IMO. Plus, he doesn't have to build the foundation of a program any more (facilities, stadium and academic support are all in place, although obviously facilities can't remain stagnant) and should be able to focus on recruiting and coaching talent.

    The one thing I do wonder about is whether anyone has done an assessment of how much he changed his approach at OSU or if that isn't really a valid thing to assess, since he wasn't the head coach and had to defer to Meyer in many things. If we could truly have a "new and improved" Schiano, who was a bit less of an overly demanding micromanager (including actually trusting an OC), who also gave more freedom to his players and wasn't a jerk to people in the athletic department (and even NFL scouts), while still retaining his passion for recruiting, discipline and coaching/developing talent, then I think he'd very likely be the best choice.

    Even getting the old Greg back might still be the best choice amongst the candidates we hear about, but I love the idea of a better version of Schiano. Perhaps we can do better than Greg, but we're more likely to do worse with most of the names being bandied about and I'd rather go with what we know than an unknown (unless we're talking crazy good candidates like Meyer, who I assume is not interested). We'll see, I guess.

    https://www.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off
     
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    I'm curious as to see if Greg really changed. It would be very telling if he gets the job, who he brings in to work under him, to see if he really did learn and adapt from the super micro-manager he once was.
     
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    I may disagree with you on alot of things Numbers but you nailed it here..well said
     
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    Cliff notes version please. He is coming or not?
    Thanks!
    :)
     
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    Thanks - the stuff we generally agree on (Rutgers sports) is way more important than the stuff we generally disagree on (the future of the country and mankind, lol).
     
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    A definite maybe! I'm pretty sure he will come if offered something reasonable - that's the best I can do.
     
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    Me too. People can and do change their management approaches (I know I have over the years), based on experience, feedback and outcomes, so he's certainly capable of change. But unless he revealed things at OSU I'm not aware of, I have no clue how much change he'd really show if given a 2nd shot at RU.
     
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    Lmao true
     
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    So you're saying its an absolute
    possibility
     
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    Or the weather, for that matter. Good to see you guys in agreement. I think it's hard for a leopard to change its spots, but I'm sure Schiano has matured and developed with age. (He is now 53, and he was in his low 30s when he came here.) I really don't see why he'd want to repeat what he's already done, but perhaps he feels an obligation to Rutgers.
     
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    What Greg brings is the understanding of uniqueness of Rutgers place in college football...its passionate fanbase when they believe and the constant landmines the school administration throws at the athletic programs

    Something a Lance Lieopold or some MAC coach from Bumblebee State University will ever grasp
     
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    FWIW. There was an article that came out about his OSU time that basically said he micromanaged his assistants to a fault. The new DC actually laughed when someone asked if he was going to run practices the same way, and said it was crazy.

    Before that I thought like you, that he likely changed.

    I posted it a few weeks back, when I have time I'll dig it up again.
     
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    I really hope this forecast is much better than the rest of your forecasts. :Laughing
     
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    I want him to micromanage every facet of our program
     
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    Honestly I stopped at the 6th sentence. Did I miss anything in the ensuing 750 words?
     
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    Is it unfair to be a little down on Schiano based on OSU's performance on defense when he was defensive coordinator? i wonder how much Hobbs should be taking that into account.
     
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    +1
    This program needs to be micromanaged for the foreseeable future.
     
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    A normal person writing #'s OP:

    "I have a really good source who is close to Schiano and he says there is mutual interest for GS coming back to RU. If GS gets a reasonable offer, we will likely say yes. Let's see what happens!"

    Boom, done!
    :)
     
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    Micromanaging doesn't work in business and it doesn't work in sports. All it does is demoralize those who work for the micromanager. I'm worried if Schiano hasn't changed about that.
     
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    Hobbs is not a fan of Schiano at all and does not want to hire him, but the donors are the people with the real power here and if they chose Schiano its going to be Schiano.
     
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    Thanks, Numb3rs. Very good analysis and good info.
     
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    Does it really hurt you so much to read? RUnumbers gave good information.
     
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    It really doesn't.

    The facility builds don't need to be managed.

    We're in a proper conference.

    Fund raising is going quite well.

    The game day experience could stand some improvement, but overall it's vastly improved from prior years.

    The branding is as it has been and doesn't need to be recreated.

    Near as I can tell, the walls are all the proper color.

    We don't need a micromanager. We need a successful football coach. We need someone who can recruit better talent and who can build a staff that can get the most out of the talent we have.

    If the reason why people think we need Schiano is so that he can come in and take over the athletic department, then they're completely off the rails and don't really understand organizational dynamics.
     
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    Sounds like Hobbs will have to find someone with a significantly bigger name or more upside to justify passing over Schiano. Which isn't a bad thing IMO. So at the moment I feel really good that we'll get someone great - which I'm sure we'll somehow Rutgers it and blow it.
     
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    We have no evidence that T is literate.
     
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    Can we just fast forward to 5 years of .500 ball when you replace your cat with PollyAnna?
     
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    It's fair game. I posted in another thread that OSU's new coach changed the defense because he was unhappy with their production last year. I can honestly say that watching them play on D, they left a fair amount to be desired under Schiano.

    It's definitely fair criticism and should be the focus. Forget the block R. Can he manage the football program to wins via coaching and recruiting.

    Are there others better positioned, as of right now, to do so. It's where the discussion should be focused.
     
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    How is Hobbs not a fan of Schiano?? Have they ever even met?? The shit some of you make to support your agenda.
     
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    Hobbs is probably the least egotistical guy I have ever met in a position of power such as the one he is in.

    The stories that people run with here without any first hand knowledge is astounding.

    Jersey gossiping is a pastime.
     
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    How do you know this? Do they even know each other?
     
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    One major problem with this which is conspicuously absent from your thread. Hobbs view of Schiano and Vice versa. By all accounts, the perceptions of each by the other being the biggest impediments to getting the deal done.
     
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    Tell that to Tom Landry, Don Shula, Chuck Noll and Vince Lombardi, who actually mowed the grass to his liking in Green Bay.
     
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    I'll dig up another interview with Schiano who addressed that he was was changing is approach.
    The really stupid point is that Schiano ran practices. Laughable!! He worked for Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer told Schiano what to do.
     
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    I think we have a shot with him because he isn’t having luck landing a bigger gig. He is also competitive and if I were him, I’d want to get back in the mix. I also think we are in a better place from a conference, facilities and operations standpoint.
     
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    Take over the athletic department???
    Why would I want that?
    I do want him to micromanage the football program... top to bottom
     
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    That's basically what he did when he was here.

    There is a reason virtually every sport died on the vine when he was here.
     
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    Meh
    That sounds good.
     
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