Another year we will watch mid major teams make a run and ask why not us?

[Exit117]

I know they can pile up wins to get in against lesser talented teams, but I would also ask you, could the talent Rutgers has now win the same amount of games? I mentioned NO team, and NO conference, because would it matter? Other than teams from the conferences that get the #16 seed every year, and maybe, even some of them, would our talent match up and get 20 win seasons? That's the most disturbing thing about this whole 24 year mess.How is it possible in this area,we can't get the talent that these mid major teams get, without a gym that comes close to the RAC or practice facility either? I will again pick my brackets, looking for that 13 or 14 seed that knocks off a 3 or 4 seed and wonder where did those kids come from. Yea,some will say it's only one game, but I just watched Rutgers lose 15 straight games under less pressure than these mid major teams face in a one and done situation. Just so friggin frustrating,that is all.

 

[Knight_Light]

Can't really compare as RU HOOPS has been able to build/recruit their program with Big East and now Big Ten tag and exposure.

Those solid mid major programs (Gonzaga, VCU, Wichita State, most year's Memphis st al), have built their programs without any of the advantages above.

Imagine what RU's recruiting expulsion like IF they didn't have Big East/Big Ten labels, exposure ans $$$?

 

[derleider]

Originally posted by Exit117:
I know they can pile up wins to get in against lesser talented teams, but I would also ask you, could the talent Rutgers has now win the same amount of games? I mentioned NO team, and NO conference, because would it matter? Other than teams from the conferences that get the #16 seed every year, and maybe, even some of them, would our talent match up and get 20 win seasons? That's the most disturbing thing about this whole 24 year mess.How is it possible in this area,we can't get the talent that these mid major teams get, without a gym that comes close to the RAC or practice facility either? I will again pick my brackets, looking for that 13 or 14 seed that knocks off a 3 or 4 seed and wonder where did those kids come from. Yea,some will say it's only one game, but I just watched Rutgers lose 15 straight games under less pressure than these mid major teams face in a one and done situation. Just so friggin frustrating,that is all.

Because we arent a midmajor. If you want, we can go back to the A10 and probably make the tournament from there. We would likely be middle of the pack in spending their, if not near the top. Just out of luck we could probably occasionally put together a team of transfer,s JuCos, and hidden gem recruits who in their 3rd and 4th years get to the tournament before getting bounced in the first round.

Otherwise - we are competing in a league in which we are among the lowest spenders (along with other perennial bottom feeders PSU, Nebraska, and Northwestern.) and the results show.

One day we will maybe spend some money on the sport, and we will win. Until then, probably you should go root for someone else because there is going to be ALOT of losing. Basketball will surpass footballs Shea centered run of losing seasons before things get better.

 

[bac2therac]

its pretty simple...the midmajors do not spend on football. RU who was already behind just about the whole big boy plate from the start has decided to spend all its money on football leaving little to invest in basketball whether that be facilities, coaches, budget or support.

the most successful midmajors and low majors spend the most money relative to their conference peers so that's why they are successful. I am sure you will find low and midmajors just as bad as RU who continue to spend the least relative to their peers and get the results they pay for.

 

[PatrickRU92]

too much overanalysis.

The mid majors who make runs in the tournament have better players than we do.

 

[higgins3]

Patrick, i agree. Too much thinking.

Bac, just for thought, what are some examples of mid majors that just spend on football?

I am hopeful for next years team. If next years team doesn't work out though, or the year after that, it is apparent that Rutgers needs to bring in a young head coach. No more guys over 50. Recruit a different kid and get balanced. This part EJ is doing well- Trying to balance athleticism with some high iq players.

First comes a coach who can win without getting the best kids, then comes the better recruits, then donors look to invest their money confidently. if we're lucky, we can get step 3 before step 1.

 

[Exit117]

Originally posted by PatrickRU92:
too much overanalysis.

The mid majors who make runs in the tournament have better players than we do.

Exactly what I was trying to say. Forget going back to the A10,I'm talking RIGHT now. Why are they getting better players than us????

 

[bac2therac]

Originally posted by Exit117:

Originally posted by PatrickRU92:
too much overanalysis.

The mid majors who make runs in the tournament have better players than we do.

Exactly what I was trying to say. Forget going back to the A10,I'm talking RIGHT now. Why are they getting better players than us????

because those schools don't have football to compete with. They can spend all they want at basketball and its their main sport that people really around. Perception issue. Until RU can rehab its image only then will it able to be say it can offer both sports at a competitive level like most power 5 conferences do

 

[higgins3]

Bac, what kind of schools are you talking about? Just for thought.

 

[Exit117]

bac, spending on what? Your telling me those mid-majors are spending more total dollars on basketball than Rutgers? I don't believe that. Some if not most, have a smaller arena, no practice facility, and still get better talent than us. That's the bottom line, they are getting better players to play in smaller conferences, with less TV exposure, and that blows my mind. This is not a money issue with those type programs, sure it is with,ACC, SEC, Pac12,Big12 and B1G programs. We are not getting the kids other programs do, and I'm talking about schools other than the P5 schools.

 

[mikefla]

U Buffalo...the FB team went to a couple bowls in the last few years
and
the basketball team is 21-9 this year

their Bball team is NOT more talented than ours
they are good fundementally and are better coached....

 

[PatrickRU92]

Originally posted by Exit117:

Originally posted by PatrickRU92:
too much overanalysis.

The mid majors who make runs in the tournament have better players than we do.

Exactly what I was trying to say. Forget going back to the A10,I'm talking RIGHT now. Why are they getting better players than us????

They have recruited better basketball players.

I've been saying for decades (it's true) that our highly rated recruits end up being not as good as their HS ratings, and we've also ended up giving too many scholarships to players who frankly shouldn't be playing at this level. Those things have killed us (and I haven't mentioned transfers either).

That's the fault of every coach we've had and that is 100% on them.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Originally posted by mikefla:


their Bball team is NOT more talented than ours

exactly why do you say that other than high school ratings?

 

[higgins3]

Patrick, we also have been our own worst enemy. You just can't get a solid recruiter and have them get 4-5 stars without results. It is a struggle to get recruits because we have a bad history. Recruits rarely want to take that chance.

If EJ is not the answer, get a great coach, get results, get recruits.

You can spend in both football and basketball and get decent recruits. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

 

[higgins3]

As a long time fan i know you know that.

You can also spend equally and get awful results. Seton Hall has spent and not gotten much in return. A long list of skills just can't get it done right.


We need to change our recruiting process and like I've been saying( redundant here), we have. I don't think many 4-5 stars want to come here. That's that. Recruit 3 stars that are athletic and fundamentally sound.

We all want to keep up with the Jones of basketball hoops and it's not going to work out for us. We are wasting our time looking at Kwe Parker who has Lville offers. Look for a hs kid who has a smooth release, passes decently well, and then have a Coach at the age of 34-36 who loves basketball and can teach it. Throw 1.5 a mil at him. Give colichio money.

We don't need these all star dunkers on our team who are freak athletes.Eventually maybe we get them, but for right now we get who we can get and who has decent skill.

 

[Exit117]

I'm just going to throw this one out there,Davidson,23-6. plays in the A10,their home games are in the Belk Arena, a 5,000 seat venue. Are you kidding me, we can't out recruit them? All things considered,Rutgers doesn't have more to offer? Believe me I did zero research on this, just panning up and down the Saragin Rankings and this popped up.

 

[bac2therac]

Those schools do not have to worry about the perception problem that everything is about football

I wouldnt say that midmajors are necessarily more talented but they are better coached with more overacheivers

 

[PatrickRU92]

Originally posted by Exit117:
I'm just going to throw this one out there,Davidson,23-6. plays in the A10,their home games are in the Belk Arena, a 5,000 seat venue. Are you kidding me, we can't out recruit them? All things considered,Rutgers doesn't have more to offer? Believe me I did zero research on this, just panning up and down the Saragin Rankings and this popped up.

I don't know a damn thing about Davidson either but I'll say--

a) SHOULD we be outrecruiting Davidson? Yes we should
b) ARE we outrecruiting Davidson? -they're 23-6 in a good conference, I can't see any way in hell that we are recruiting better than they are (and I don't mean their HS ratings either).

 

[bac2therac]

And Davidson moved from god knows what conference...a low major to a very very high mid major without missing a beat

 

[higgins3]

And whens the last time Davidson had a below .500 season? We shouldn't be able to out recruit them because they...Win! And we don't. High major or low major, players want to go to a school that is winning. Do you want to buy a stock on the uptrend or downtrend? Uptrend makes you money, down leaves you broke.

Same thing goes for basketball programs. Win and you can get some decent recruits. Don't win for 10 yrs straight and you won't be able to recruit anyone.

Rutgers is just a name. Doesn't mean 2745 to these kids. And most D1 basketball players aren't trying to go to a school for a great education. Rutgers has that, but that's not why they come. What EJ has done in HIS life means nothing to them. They want to know what EJ is going to do for THEIR lives.. and winning is what they want to see.

 

[Knight_Light]

Since RU's last NCAA appearance, Davidson has been to the NCAA's 7 times (6 since 2002) and most likely heading there again this year.

Their Elite 8 run in 2008 with Steph Curry really put them in the spotlight...and they've been around almost every other year (this will be their 3rd straight year of NCAA appearance), plus they have won some nice non-conf wins thru the years as well.

 

[RUJMM78]

Without accountability assigned to the athletic director and the head coach the mens basketball program will continue to flounder.The program has barely a pulse and the ridicule imposed on Rutgers simply has no resonance.In Rutgers case they can't win because they can't recruit.They can't recruit because they can't win.What they are continuing to do is spinning their wheels into oblivion and nobody cares and that is the hardest part to take as a long suffering fan.

 

[jakeknight]

Higgins3, I think what you are saying, and I couldn't agree more, is at this point it is a waste of money and resources to recruit national recruits, they aren't coming to RU at this point. A great example is Briscoe, a great player, but there wasn't a chance in hell he was ever coming to RU. There is a ton of 3 star talent in the NY/NJ metro area, begin to build a program and quit trying to hit the lottery it isn't happening.

 

[Exit117]

Originally posted by bac2therac:
Those schools do not have to worry about the perception problem that everything is about football

I wouldnt say that midmajors are necessarily more talented but they are better coached with more overacheivers

bac, again I disagree.If they felt the problem was everything is about football, Eddie and crew wouldn't bring recruits to the football games! Every season there is a post stating who will be at the game, and make sure you cheer for them when they are pictured on the big screen. Who was that local kid from Scotchs Plains that had Rutgers in his final 3, ended up going to Duke I think, big build up he was coming to the football game, and I remember seeing him there. If football was the problem, the basketball recruits would be keep miles away from HPS Stadium.

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by Exit117:

Originally posted by bac2therac:
Those schools do not have to worry about the perception problem that everything is about football

I wouldnt say that midmajors are necessarily more talented but they are better coached with more overacheivers

bac, again I disagree.If they felt the problem was everything is about football, Eddie and crew wouldn't bring recruits to the football games!

Almost every coach in college hoops uses Sept/Oct home football games for big hoop recruiting weekends.

Football games are usually the biggest weekends on campus, and a great time to entertain hoop recruits (other sports too).

 

[Exit117]

Originally posted by Knight_Light:

Originally posted by Exit117:

Originally posted by bac2therac:
Those schools do not have to worry about the perception problem that everything is about football

I wouldnt say that midmajors are necessarily more talented but they are better coached with more overacheivers

bac, again I disagree.If they felt the problem was everything is about football, Eddie and crew wouldn't bring recruits to the football games!

Almost every coach in college hoops uses Sept/Oct home football games for big hoop recruiting weekends.

Football games are usually the biggest weekends on campus, and a great time to entertain hoop recruits (other sports too).

I agree, that's why bac saying football attention over shadows basketball here, or anywhere for that matter is part of the problem. Mid-majors don't get better players than us because all our money goes to fotball, they just either out recruit us or research the talent out there better than us. Using the Davidson example again,sure they have a winning tradition, but look who they play. How can that compare to playing against and in B1G arena's to showcase your skills. Now throw in the TV exposure, and recruiting should be a slam dunk,but it's not.