This game is an embarrassment. We look so over-matched it is sad. We need to pick up our recruiting or else we will find ourselves in the same spot year in and year out. We will always be fighting for 6 -7 win seasons. The way we have lost all the top recruits from NJ this year, I am more suspicious more than ever that Flood is not the guy. We have probably reached the ceiling with Flood.
Anyone that still thinks that recruiting doesn't matter?
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Flood is not the answer. We know that. School too cheap to make a change.
oh please. enough with this argument. boise state for years beat the very best of them with 2 & 3 star players. why? coaching.
northern illinois and indiana played this same ohio state team very tight.
we have players - they're just not being used properly.
northern illinois and indiana played this same ohio state team very tight.
we have players - they're just not being used properly.
Did you see how Longa got abused by the RB. Did you see how Coffi could not tackle Elliott on the 4th down? How is coaching going to change that? We need players.
C'mon... With all the different opinions and disagreements on this board, does anybody here really think recruiting doesn't matter?
TACKLING.
As an example, schiano led much less talented players to top 20 defenses year after year.
but for you to reference longa is pretty silly. longa is absolutely playing in the pros and has been a tackling machine for us year after year. under a good defensive coach, he'd be even better.
but don't get me wrong, our recruiting is bad too. just it's not THE reason.
Against UCF and Syracuse.
Not against Ohio State, Michigan and Michigan State.
The Schiano defenses were better and more sound than this, but they couldn't stop Cinci, you think they would stop Ohio State? Please, you're about to embarrass yourself.
You are correct coaching matters, but recruiting is just as important if not more. As a previous poster pointed out, Parcells could not coach this team to beat OSU.
This is the narrow view, anyone can compete with anyone for one game. Boise State would not be the same team it is now if it played an entire season the PAC-12, they do not have the depth to take the pounding every week.
Sustained success over a season is all about recruiting and building depth.
It's all about recruiting! Every college coach knows the X's and O's. Do you see how many OSU players are projected to go 1st round. We will never match up with OSU. NEVER!!! We will never out recruit them. Our goals are beating the middle if the pack teams. Which I think we can we just need to get better players. OSU has tradition, national championships, and money to burn. That will never be us.
guys, you're all forgetting the Flood games where we got BLOWN OUT by Houston, UCF and Cincy.
there was no talent gap there.
there was no talent gap there.
Let's make believe for one moment that Rutgers bites the bullet and hires a top ten HC. What's the first thing he is going to do? Probably want to hire a good OC and DC, right or wrong? The salaries for the OC & DC combined will cost just as much as the HC's salary Finally, he will want to recruit very very good athletes and not want to hear poo poo from professors or media. To be honest he will want the same situation as Urban, Nick and Les. We win a B10 championship and a Rose Bowl in 4 years!! Sorry guys for being cynical but I just don't see this ever happening at Rutgers.
Nobody is forgetting it.
It's just unrelated to the point you're making.
This is not a legit P5 staff. We get it.
But this roster couldn't beat OSU on an Xbox, let alone the field.
It's just unrelated to the point you're making.
This is not a legit P5 staff. We get it.
But this roster couldn't beat OSU on an Xbox, let alone the field.
Talent determines how many games a team can win. Coaching determines how many games a team will win.
We're an easy 4-5 years behind in recruiting compared to the likes of OSU, UM, PSU etc so even if we hire Nick Saban tomorrow we got a long wait
except boise state had a stretch of wins over multiple seasons that was labeled one of the greatest runs in college football history. during that stretch they beat a whooooole lot of ranked teams, and most importantly brought it in the big bowl games. that's all that matters.
look, i don't disagree with you guys. recruiting needs to improve but it's a hell of a lot harder to do that overnight than to fix coaching. easy for people to just sit and complain about it... but recruits want to play for a dynamic coach who can prove they won't be blown out in big games
really? so tell me how the hell does northern illinois play ohio state 20-13?
First, NI is probably better than we are.
Second, OSU is a totally different offense with JT running the show. Throw all their previous results in the trash.
Again Boise gets that one win a year not it is about taking a pounding every week.
Competing on the highest levels takes a huge financial commitment; 3+ million for a HC, at least 500K but closer to 750K average for OC/DC, another 300K for your other assistants, recruiting coordinator, player personal director, 10+ misc recruiting staff and at least 750K recruiting budget. Till that kind of commitment happens not a ton will change.
I don't expect to win this game or Michigan or Wisconsin, but there's no reason we can't keep it close for more than a quarter. NIU and Indiana only lost by 7 at Ohio State. Maryland scored 28 points and the game was tied half way through the 3rd q, Cincinnati last year kept it close for 2 and a half quarters. Minnesota kept it respectable, yet we can't even score a point.
Sometimes it's not about the wins and losses, but it's about being embarrassed
Here is a newsflash for you.
WE AREN'T ANY GOOD...
Once you guys understand that, these nights are easier to put into perspective.
they did it one time a year and had a month to prepare. if they would have played in the b10 they wouldn't have done what they did
Unfortunately we have not seen the worst yet of the Disaster known as Flood's recruiting.
We lose all of Schiano' s recruits : Carroo, James, Gause, Lumpkin, Mera, Lambert, etc.
Going to be test of the Rutgers fan patience over the next few years.
We lose all of Schiano' s recruits : Carroo, James, Gause, Lumpkin, Mera, Lambert, etc.
Going to be test of the Rutgers fan patience over the next few years.
I've said this for years now and will continue to say it. The 2017/2018 recruiting classes will (or at least should) be the biggest jumps in the talent we can get. Guys in the 2015, 2016 classes ruled us out early because our conference affiliation wasn't known, etc. It wasn't known whether or not we could compete in the B1G (but a debut 8-5 season and win over UM in 2014 goes a long way to helping that perception). Within the next 2 years, our classes should improve greatly. If they don't, then it is totally a staff/institutional issue.
I've never said recruiting doesn't matter but I've said if I have to choose between a coach who recruits vs a coach who can coach I'll always choose the coach. This game hasn't changed any of that for me. Ideally, it's great if you can get both.
I've said I view recruiting as tiered pyramid with the tiers getting wider as you go down. Just arbitrarily giving numbers say 1-10, 11-29, 30-60, etc... Most coaches we'd get here would likely recruit in the same tier that we've always recruited in. OSU recruits in a tier above us or maybe even two tiers but most coaches aren't going to recruit like that here. I don't think it makes much difference say if you're recruiting ranking is say 30 vs 45. You may say hey that's 15 spots but to me it's likely in the same tier and most guys are going to recruit in that same tier that their school usually recruits in. To actually move up a tier consistently, you likely have to perform well over a longer period of time and that to me is more function of coaching than recruiting.
I've said I view recruiting as tiered pyramid with the tiers getting wider as you go down. Just arbitrarily giving numbers say 1-10, 11-29, 30-60, etc... Most coaches we'd get here would likely recruit in the same tier that we've always recruited in. OSU recruits in a tier above us or maybe even two tiers but most coaches aren't going to recruit like that here. I don't think it makes much difference say if you're recruiting ranking is say 30 vs 45. You may say hey that's 15 spots but to me it's likely in the same tier and most guys are going to recruit in that same tier that their school usually recruits in. To actually move up a tier consistently, you likely have to perform well over a longer period of time and that to me is more function of coaching than recruiting.
"It's not about the Xs and the Os, it's about the Jimmies and the Joes"
--Anyone who has ever coached a game at any level
I agree...But, coaching does matter more than most on this board actually understands. Coaching starts in the spring, they are the true motivators. Instilling the belief of success is not a revelation, based on stars, recruiting, and or ranking, it's based on the belief that one is as good as the other. Coaches make players better, by just making them believe this simple fact!
STOP IT. This class is now ranked 43th and will be about 49-52 in ranking same as the last 2 years. Recruiting is 50 % of coaching.
No argument from me.
But flip rosters and bet your mortgage. Who you taking? a Meyer coached RU or a Flood coached OSU? In High School and College, it's about talent first and foremost.
BULLSHIT. There is no excuse for getting shutout at home. I don't care if we're playing the New England Patriots. If Maryland and Indiana can score 20+ points on Ohio State's defense, why can't we score 7? This isn't 1997 where we were fighting Slippery Rock for recruits.
Stop being rational? And I'm glad the class is ranked 43th. That's an accomplishment in and of itself!
I don't agree, I think Meyer would have had this team much more prepared to play then Flood ever could! He gave the team off on Monday, of the week they were about to play the #1 team in the country! Are you kidding me! They would have been on the field at 6 AM, going over their D and O.
