Anyone that still thinks that recruiting doesn't matter?

[ruhudsonfan]

One other consideration is that kids are now playing spread football starting in 7th grade.

Most of the top HS programs in NJ (and nationally) are running the spread. When you recruit skill players (especially QBs) they have a preference for a system. Is it a deal breaker? No. If the draw to your school is enough, most kids will play what the school runs. However, it's only in rare cases that we have that allure to a kid. So system matters.

If you're Brandon Wimbush, do you want to go to an offense that is going to throw it 27-35 times every week, down the field and score lots of points or go to an offense that is going to dink and dunk and who's main goal on offense is to get to 3rd and 4 so you can hit the TE on a 5 yard dig?

I've said more than once that I hate spread football, but at this point, we need a change--unless you're promising that the next guy is going to recruit the OL like Alabama does.

 

[rutgersguy1]

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One other consideration is that kids are now playing spread football starting in 7th grade.

Most of the top HS programs in NJ (and nationally) are running the spread. When you recruit skill players (especially QBs) they have a preference for a system. Is it a deal breaker? No. If the draw to your school is enough, most kids will play what the school runs. However, it's only in rare cases that we have that allure to a kid. So system matters.

If you're Brandon Wimbush, do you want to go to an offense that is going to throw it 27-35 times every week, down the field and score lots of points or go to an offense that is going to dink and dunk and who's main goal on offense is to get to 3rd and 4 so you can hit the TE on a 5 yard dig?

I've said more than once that I hate spread football, but at this point, we need a change--unless you're promising that the next guy is going to recruit the OL like Alabama does.

I don't know much about high school football and don't follow recruits. But if that's the case here and NJ HS football is trending towards Texas HS football, then I think that's even even more reason to switch. Seems like less of a learning curve when you step up to college, if you have high schoolers playing in similar systems.

Since you mention dink/dunk. I was just reading an article about TCU's switch from Rusty Burns/Jarrett Anderson as co OCs to Doug Meacham/Sonny Cumbie and how they increased the number of deep shots per game. They still threw the ball quite a bit with the 2 previous OCs but they dinked and dunked a lot. I think about 14% of their completions went for 20yds or more. It went up to about 20% in the first year with the Meacham/Cumbie and while that may not seem like much it translated into about 2-3 more deep shots per game.

If and when we do change to a spread, we still got to bring in people who actually have a record of doing it well. Like I was mentioning above, Sarkisian switched at Washington but he never ran it before. Strong switched to it at Texas, but came into this season and kept the same OC Shawn Watson who also never ran it before this year. He switched to Jay Norvell who had experience with it and was a co OC at Oklahoma but was let go along with Josh Heupel because of production issues. He hasn't called plays for 8 years since his days at UCLA. Golden switched to it with James Coley but I didn't see the results and I'm not sure how much experience he had with it either.

Switching to it is one thing but you also have to have the guy who can install it and deliver the results too.

 

[Blitz8RUCrazy]

BTW it IS possible to run a spread with a passing first QB like Russo or Dare (it won't be as effective as with a dual threat though). Though the reason they signed here is because off the pro-style offense. You would also need someone like Mike Leech to run it. The problem will also come up for cold climate games when it is raining and snowing where passing the ball may not be effective. Running the ball would become an issue.

 

[Caliknight]

Nope but coaches do make switches during their tenures. Sarkisian made a switch to the spread from a pro style at Washington, same for Golden at Miami and Strong at Texas this year. Mind you I don't think any chose the best OC to execute that offense, in Washington's case I thin Sarkisian called the offense, but they did make a switch.

You just gave two reasons not to do it in Miami and Texas, though didn't Strong run some version of the spread with Bridgewater?

 

[rutgersguy1]

You just gave two reasons not to do it in Miami and Texas, though didn't Strong run some version of the spread with Bridgewater?

Not really, he was using a pro style there and his 2nd OC at Louisville, flubbed his first OC hire there just like he did at Texas, was Shawn Watson. Brought Watson with him to Texas and in his first year they used a prostyle in Texas but then switched this year and Watson installed the spread even though he never ran it before in his career.

It was a disaster as you can see from the start of this year and he switched OCs to Norvell. Norvell had familiarity with it being a co OC with Heupel at Oklahoma but they were both let go by Stoops for lack of production and replaced by Lincoln Riley from ECU. Norvell hasn't called plays in 8 years too since UCLA. Again not a pick I'd make but it's in season so I guess you have to go with someone on staff.

I think switching to a spread would be perfect and is the right move for both Miami and Texas. Texas HS football is littered with them from what I've read. Florida has a ton of speed and talent that can exploit that kind of system IMO.

Switching to it is an easy decision to make, but you still have to put someone in charge who can install it and deliver results. So many top up and coming OCs who run the spread and they went with guys who didn't have much experience in it. Not a smart decision IMO. Look what Patterson did at TCU. He dumped his OCs who took over after Fuente and found 2 good ones in Meacham/Cumbie and look how they've taken off.

As I say with coaching it's not just about money or system only, those all help no doubt, you still have to identify the right people. If you're an AD identify the right HC, if you're the HC identify the right coordinators. Easier said then done sometimes but it's critical.

 

[Awesome Hawk]

So in the end, it doesn't matter to me if Rutgers never wins another game... but I would think you would want to aspire to be something better than Wisconsin and Iowa.

Typically arrogant jackwagon Buckeye fan. I can't wait until Harbaugh starts kicking your ass on a regular basis.

Hell, maybe we'll get the chance to do it ourselves this year.

 

[Awesome Hawk]

As nice of program as Wisconsin has, they get too much respect around here.

By any standard that you want to use, they have been one of the Top 20-25 programs in the country over the last 20 years.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

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I don't know much about high school football and don't follow recruits. But if that's the case here and NJ HS football is trending towards Texas HS football, then I think that's even even more reason to switch. Seems like less of a learning curve when you step up to college, if you have high schoolers playing in similar systems.

Since you mention dink/dunk. I was just reading an article about TCU's switch from Rusty Burns/Jarrett Anderson as co OCs to Doug Meacham/Sonny Cumbie and how they increased the number of deep shots per game. They still threw the ball quite a bit with the 2 previous OCs but they dinked and dunked a lot. I think about 14% of their completions went for 20yds or more. It went up to about 20% in the first year with the Meacham/Cumbie and while that may not seem like much it translated into about 2-3 more deep shots per game.

If and when we do change to a spread, we still got to bring in people who actually have a record of doing it well. Like I was mentioning above, Sarkisian switched at Washington but he never ran it before. Strong switched to it at Texas, but came into this season and kept the same OC Shawn Watson who also never ran it before this year. He switched to Jay Norvell who had experience with it and was a co OC at Oklahoma but was let go along with Josh Heupel because of production issues. He hasn't called plays for 8 years since his days at UCLA. Golden switched to it with James Coley but I didn't see the results and I'm not sure how much experience he had with it either.

Switching to it is one thing but you also have to have the guy who can install it and deliver the results too.

SPP, BC, PC are all running legit versions of the spread (most are actually Urban's "Utah Spread.")

SPP's has pro style underpinnings in it. They will still line up with 2 wide, 2 tights and a fullback on occasion. I think Hansen does it just to remind himself he can. lol.

Bosco has some spread elements. But I haven't seen them since Teel arrived. Bosco and the spread was a Campy by-product. Bosco always plays with tempo though.

I'm not sure what Joe's is doing now that Augie Hoffman is the HC. Karcich resisted going spread and was still running the Wing T up until he retired. He would have run the veer if he could have gotten away with it. lol

I watched Hoover for a few minutes last night and they are running a version too.

It's pretty wide spread in HS offenses that have talent at the skill positions.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

By any standard that you want to use, they have been one of the Top 20-25 programs in the country over the last 20 years.

With multiple AAs, Heisman winner, the nation's leading rusher, and metric shit tons of rushing records.

Sane people here would lop off their left nut to trade places with Wisconsin in football.

 

[MoobyCow]

By any standard that you want to use, they have been one of the Top 20-25 programs in the country over the last 20 years.

Seriously, 3 of their last 5 they have had a final ranking equivalent to our 2006 season and people are disparaging them?

 

[nick614]

Typically arrogant jackwagon Buckeye fan. I can't wait until Harbaugh starts kicking your ass on a regular basis.

Hell, maybe we'll get the chance to do it ourselves this year.

Yeah.... I'm arrogant if I don't care if a team, that I have no connection to, loses games... nice one. You seem triggered.

 

[BoogieKnight]

Recruiting does matter but that doesn't mean you need every single overhyped primadonna who sits in the nj top 30. But you do need quality depth especially in the trenches. Still, coaching matters more