B1G - Best Football and Best Basketball Conference
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On their own, top to bottom, it's the best conference. Beat the acc head to head, as well as the SEC in football. 2 teals in the ff and NC in football. Dominance.
Actually, wasn't a bad year in hoops at all. I believe the BIG won the ACC-BIG challenge again for I believe the fourth or fifth straight year and placed 7 teams in the tournament. I realize people like to compare conferences but the only real way to do that is head-to-head and beating a traditionally strong ACC in basketball again is an achievement. Now 2 teams in the
final 4.
As for football, the bowl wins speak for themselves. You guys, MSU over Baylor, Wisky over Auburn of the invincible SEC, and of course the Buckeyes. I know I'm eaving out a win or two but proving it on the field overrides anything the press and fanbases can generate.
Oh, BTW, welcome to the best conference in the country.
final 4.
As for football, the bowl wins speak for themselves. You guys, MSU over Baylor, Wisky over Auburn of the invincible SEC, and of course the Buckeyes. I know I'm eaving out a win or two but proving it on the field overrides anything the press and fanbases can generate.
Oh, BTW, welcome to the best conference in the country.
All valid points, but still think the overall performance of the conference was down.
Some head scratching OOC losses from solid programs balances out the good wins, in my opinion.
But like I said, overall between football and basketball arguably the best conference
Some head scratching OOC losses from solid programs balances out the good wins, in my opinion.
But like I said, overall between football and basketball arguably the best conference
Outlier losses were overtaken by the whole body of work.
By any measure, it's the best conference, including head to head against the other perceived better conferences in respective sports.
Beat the SEC in football, the acc in hoops, more teams than anyone in the tourney and final four. No where can one point to and have a valid argument.
By any measure, it's the best conference, including head to head against the other perceived better conferences in respective sports.
Beat the SEC in football, the acc in hoops, more teams than anyone in the tourney and final four. No where can one point to and have a valid argument.
It was the best basketball conference....the big 12 and big east fell flat on their faces in the tourney undoing any claim they had in the regular season
Big East?? They pretty much finished where they belong--with the rest of the good conferences that aren't part of major college sports. like the A10, AAC or the MVC.
Duke - 1 seed, final four
Notre Dame - 3 seed, elite eight (2 points from beating best team)
Virginia - 2 seed, best defensive team in country?
NC state - Only team to upset a #1
UNC - Sweet 16
Louisvile - Elite 8.
5 sweet 16 teams vs only 2 in Big Ten. Better tourney overall.
higher seeds in the tourny too..arguably better regular season.
And we chose not to compete in men's basketball. We must invest in facilities now or we have no business in the league.
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SEC football dominance has been based on the fact they are top heavy with two or three very good teams. The rest of the conference has proven to be no better than the other P5. I would say NC in football WITH a playoff and 2 of the final 4 is enough to call boss for this year.
To me, all this shows is Big Ten's top 2 teams can compete with the ACC's best. Doesn't show anything about the other 12 teams. And the Challenge results show me that 8 teams in the Big Ten are better than 8 particular teams in the ACC. Nothing else, and not sure how you can draw an "overall" picture by 14 separate game. (Not saying I don't enjoy the challenge, great for conference pride)
Taking away the 2 teams in the B1G that are still alive and the 1 in the ACC still alive, ZERO big ten teams made it past the Round of 32. Very telling. 3 ACC teams made it farther (with less teams in tournament) and possibly could have been 4 if Virginia wasn't matched up with a potential Final Four Team in round 2. Realistically, sans wisconsin and michigan state, the Big Ten's tourney wasn't too good.
Going even farther to the non-tourney teams, B1G's lone NIT representive was ousted in the first round, while ACC's is playing at MSG this week. Again, i think you need to look "overall" rather than just the top 2 teams.
To me, all this shows is Big Ten's top 2 teams can compete with the ACC's best. Doesn't show anything about the other 12 teams.
Doesn't the Challenge do that. It matches all 14 BIG teams against 14 of 15 ACC teams and tries to seed the teams as evenly as possible. Can't think of a better way to determine a better conference than ON THE COURT results through a conference versus conference tournament, again with ON THE COURT results, not hypothetical BS.
Doesn't the Challenge do that. It matches all 14 BIG teams against 14 of 15 ACC teams and tries to seed the teams as evenly as possible. Can't think of a better way to determine a better conference than ON THE COURT results through a conference versus conference tournament, again with ON THE COURT results, not hypothetical BS.
Not really, in my opinion. It's not as if B1G crushed the ACC. We won 8-6, a difference of 1 game. Of the four games that featured ranked teams, ACC won three. Does that prove their elite teams are better? No, cause the NCAA tournament disproved that, with BIG team going 3-0 against their elites.
So many factors go into conference success. can't determine it over a three day period.
Its close, but still think ACC was best conference in hoops overall.
The ACC is a disaster at the bottom....BC, Ga Tech, Clemson, Fla St, Wake....far worse collectively than the bottom of the Big 10
Your UVA stat is wrong unless I am misreading it. GT, as a #2, lost in the first round in 2013. Lehigh beat Duke, who was a #2 in 2012. Norfolk State beat Missouri in 2012 as well. So there have been a few #2s since 2004 that have not reached the third round.
oh and did I forget one....Va Tech...another dreg
considering the worst school in the Big 10 Rutgers won at Clemson I am safely going to say the bottom of the Big 10 is better. The ACC is close to the Big 10 overall but its bottom strength is where its weaker. Minnesota and Northwestern simply better than dregs like BC and Va Tech
anyhow if Duke beats Michigan State then Wisky loses to Kentucky, I think the ACC moves back over the Big 10 for best conference this year
people stop believing what ESPN and manipulated RPI tells you. All year long it was about the Big 12 and that conference fell flat on its faces in the NCAA tourney. The Big East manipulated their rpi strength to #2 and all their schools were overseeded, yes even Villanova.
The ACC, Big 10 and to a lesser extent the Pac 10 due to their strong tourney showing look better after the dust has been settled.
The SEC? Its a one trick pony and always has been whether it was Florida or Kentucky. Its a garbage league with athletic players and teams almost always stack up poorly against the top competition.
considering the worst school in the Big 10 Rutgers won at Clemson I am safely going to say the bottom of the Big 10 is better. The ACC is close to the Big 10 overall but its bottom strength is where its weaker. Minnesota and Northwestern simply better than dregs like BC and Va Tech
anyhow if Duke beats Michigan State then Wisky loses to Kentucky, I think the ACC moves back over the Big 10 for best conference this year
people stop believing what ESPN and manipulated RPI tells you. All year long it was about the Big 12 and that conference fell flat on its faces in the NCAA tourney. The Big East manipulated their rpi strength to #2 and all their schools were overseeded, yes even Villanova.
The ACC, Big 10 and to a lesser extent the Pac 10 due to their strong tourney showing look better after the dust has been settled.
The SEC? Its a one trick pony and always has been whether it was Florida or Kentucky. Its a garbage league with athletic players and teams almost always stack up poorly against the top competition.
Agree with this to an extent. I've been saying all along its very close between the ACC and Big Ten. Other conferences looking up.
Going into the tourney, I'd have thought Big 12 was #1..but they proved in the tourney they were a bit overrated. Pac-10 had a good showing, but no elite teams, really. Maybe Zona?
I do agree, however, collectively, between football success, basketball success, and olympic sports success, Big Ten is #1 in nation. Can't we at least agree on that! Haha.
The ACC is pretty good in lacrosse, but that's about it. Even in lacrosse, the Big Ten is improving (MD, JHU, OSU are good and RU is getting better) and could challenge the ACC before long.
who is putting a lot of stock in a game here or there. Obviously you must balance some of the regular season with the tournament results. If you get two schools to the Final 4 yeah that matters...and one of them was a 4th/5th place Big 10 school against one of the top ACC schools. Then the top Big 10 school took out ACc #3. So yes head to head in the tourney is factored in.
Lets face it Rutgers was atrocious this season yet still went out and won at Clemson. The Big 10 ten won the series overall 8-6 led by much of the second tier of the league. The ACC elite beat the Big 10 elite at the start of the year but look who is winning now...and of course still a couple of games to be played that could sway supremecy to one or another...I mean if its Wisky vs Michigan State in the finals are you see still going to hear arguments about the ACC being better than the Big 10
Lets face it Rutgers was atrocious this season yet still went out and won at Clemson. The Big 10 ten won the series overall 8-6 led by much of the second tier of the league. The ACC elite beat the Big 10 elite at the start of the year but look who is winning now...and of course still a couple of games to be played that could sway supremecy to one or another...I mean if its Wisky vs Michigan State in the finals are you see still going to hear arguments about the ACC being better than the Big 10
