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Ball State has 2 freshman TE’s

That I would take in a second.

These guys? Remember the narrative on this board: the MAC is lower level competition for players who cannot cut it in the P5, especially the B1G. They would die against B1G teams. That's the narrative.






 
These guys? Remember the narrative on this board: the MAC is lower level competition for players who cannot cut it in the P5, especially the B1G. They would die against B1G teams. That's the narrative.






Nope, guys starting out there and putting up very good numbers are vastly different than guys leaving P5 and finally putting up average stats in the MAC like Cole Snyder for example.

The former have proven they have the potential to play at a higher level while the latter have found the right level of competition for themselves.
 
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And all the TEs on the offer list have signed elsewhere. I guess you hope for a flip or a transfer
RU has Blake Logan verbally committed and there is debate on whether Famah Toure is a WR or TE in college.

They will also target a TE in the portal after the season.
 
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Nope, guys starting out there and putting up very good numbers are vastly different than guys leaving P5 and finally putting up average stats in the MAC like Cole Snyder for example.

The former have proven they have the potential to play at a higher level while the latter have found the right level of competition for themselves.
Yeah skinny high school kids sometimes gain weight and already know how to play the game. They could be very good.
 
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These guys? Remember the narrative on this board: the MAC is lower level competition for players who cannot cut it in the P5, especially the B1G. They would die against B1G teams. That's the narrative.






I’ve ever said that. The one kid was 3x all state in basketball and was recruited as a QB. They moved him to TE this year
 
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He put his name in the portal. He played? Was it a trick play-he is not on the roster at scarletknights.com ? But even if he did, he is gone after this year.

Munnerlyn did not play per the RU participation report. It's likely he was not even on the travel roster given he's already announced his intent to enter the portal on Dec. 5th.
 
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Slow down I said “I think” let me look at the roster…..I definitely saw Stewart and then a #80something
 
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Nope, guys starting out there and putting up very good numbers are vastly different than guys leaving P5 and finally putting up average stats in the MAC like Cole Snyder for example.

The former have proven they have the potential to play at a higher level while the latter have found the right level of competition for themselves.
It's a little early to say such a thing about a QB playing his first season of meaningful snaps. While his stats may be average for the MAC, he has done fairly well in his first year as indicated by his TD/INT ratio. His OL has not been much help- while he is mobile, he's been sacked 25 times, indicating he is under pressure a lot. Time will tell how he does.

It's funny how people twist a narrative one way for certain players/former players, and twist it another for others. Whatever. We shall see.
 
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It's a little early to say such a thing about a QB playing his first season of meaningful snaps. While his stats may be average for the MAC, he has done fairly well in his first year as indicated by his TD/INT ratio. His OL has not been much help- while he is mobile, he's been sacked 25 times, indicating he is under pressure a lot. Time will tell how he does.

It's funny how people twist a narrative one way for certain players/former players, and twist it another for others. Whatever. We shall see.
On the pay side, the staff here have said he would be QB4 if he stayed. Take that for what it's worth.
 
On the pay side, the staff here have said he would be QB4 if he stayed. Take that for what it's worth.
That is fine as far as last year when Simon left. However, we saw how Simon did. The question is did Cole get a "fair" shot? That's up for debate and depends on who is making the call on what is fair. Maybe he would not have seen game action like Simon did if he stayed. Maybe he would have seen game action considering how Simon performed.

IMO, while practice reps are important, you never really know how a player, particularly a QB, will perform until they see game action. No practice replicates game action where the QB will get hit and face pressure that they do not face in practice.

Back to Simon, it seems people wrote him off pretty quickly. Consider that with a fairly equal number of attempts 103 vs. 123, both Simon and Wimsatt have the same TD/INT ratio. Would Simon have improved with more experience? Perhaps, and perhaps not. But what is clear now is that Wimsatt is the best QB on the roster and he is continuing to improve as the game slows down for him. The problem we have, however, is if Simon leaves (a very good possibility), we have one scholarship QB on roster, and we certainly do not want to have to count on a true freshman. We should have 3 scholarship QBs on the roster.

As I said in the Snyder thread, his leaving was the best move for him, and he got what he sought- the starting QB job. But if he was indeed told he was #4 and that was his motivation to leave, wonder if he would have seen game action as an either/or scenario when Simon got the starts and faltered a bit.

And this is not an indictment of Simon. I hope he stays, as he could learn and grow too. Maybe his Nebraska game was the equivalent of Gavin's Michigan game (against a much tougher defense) with 3 picks, and then in the next game, he put it all together. We may find out, or we may never know. These are not easy decisions.
 
That is fine as far as last year when Simon left. However, we saw how Simon did. The question is did Cole get a "fair" shot? That's up for debate and depends on who is making the call on what is fair. Maybe he would not have seen game action like Simon did if he stayed. Maybe he would have seen game action considering how Simon performed.

IMO, while practice reps are important, you never really know how a player, particularly a QB, will perform until they see game action. No practice replicates game action where the QB will get hit and face pressure that they do not face in practice.

Back to Simon, it seems people wrote him off pretty quickly. Consider that with a fairly equal number of attempts 103 vs. 123, both Simon and Wimsatt have the same TD/INT ratio. Would Simon have improved with more experience? Perhaps, and perhaps not. But what is clear now is that Wimsatt is the best QB on the roster and he is continuing to improve as the game slows down for him. The problem we have, however, is if Simon leaves (a very good possibility), we have one scholarship QB on roster, and we certainly do not want to have to count on a true freshman. We should have 3 scholarship QBs on the roster.

As I said in the Snyder thread, his leaving was the best move for him, and he got what he sought- the starting QB job. But if he was indeed told he was #4 and that was his motivation to leave, wonder if he would have seen game action as an either/or scenario when Simon got the starts and faltered a bit.

And this is not an indictment of Simon. I hope he stays, as he could learn and grow too. Maybe his Nebraska game was the equivalent of Gavin's Michigan game (against a much tougher defense) with 3 picks, and then in the next game, he put it all together. We may find out, or we may never know. These are not easy decisions.
Cole was QB2 all the way through the Illinios game last year which was like game 8. Noah went out and Cole had a huge chance to shine at that moment. He played so poorly that it forced Noah back into the game and he played hurt the rest of the way. It also was the impetus for rolling the dice with Gavin on that critical 4th down.

As we don't have access to practice we don't know how Cole looked the remainder of the way. However, Evan seemed to be the first QB off the bench when Noah was out of the game after that for Gleeson.
 
Cole was QB2 all the way through the Illinios game last year which was like game 8. Noah went out and Cole had a huge chance to shine at that moment. He played so poorly that it forced Noah back into the game and he played hurt the rest of the way. It also was the impetus for rolling the dice with Gavin on that critical 4th down.

As we don't have access to practice we don't know how Cole looked the remainder of the way. However, Evan seemed to be the first QB off the bench when Noah was out of the game after that for Gleeson.
You're basing judgements on 5 passing attempts in a single game? That is ludicrous. What if we used the same standard on Wimsatt and shelved him after BC and Minnesota? Or we did the same with Mike Teel in his early starts? Or Gary Nova?

Besides, didn't he lead Rutgers to one of Rutgers only two touchdowns in a first series?

  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 39​

    (9:18 - 1st) Noah Vedral run for 12 yds to the Illin 49 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 49​

    (9:18 - 1st) Isaih Pacheco run for 13 yds to the Illin 36 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 36​

    (9:18 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 1 yd to the Illin 35
  • 2nd & 9 at ILL 35​

    (9:18 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 6 yds to the Illin 29
  • 3rd & 3 at ILL 29​

    (9:18 - 1st) Cole Snyder pass complete to Shameen Jones for 2 yds to the Illin 27
  • (6:23 - 1st) Timeout RUTGERS, clock 06:23
  • 4th & 1 at ILL 27​

    (6:23 - 1st) Johnny Langan run for 2 yds to the Illin 25 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 25​

    (6:23 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 6 yds to the Illin 19
  • 2nd & 4 at ILL 19​

    (6:23 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 7 yds to the Illin 12 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 12​

    (6:23 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 5 yds to the Illin 7
  • 2nd & 5 at ILL 7​

    (4:20 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 7 yds for a TD, (Valentino Ambrosio KICK)
NEXT SERIES:
  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 32​

    (2:38 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 2 yds to the Rutgr 34
  • 2nd & 8 at RUTG 34​

    (2:38 - 1st) Cole Snyder pass incomplete to Aaron Young
  • 3rd & 8 at RUTG 34​

    (2:38 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 4 yds to the Rutgr 30
  • 4th & 12 at RUTG 30​

    (1:19 - 1st) Adam Korsak punt for 45 yds, fair catch by Donny Navarro III at the Illin 25

NEXT SERIES:

  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 12​

    (12:32 - 2nd) Cole Snyder run for 3 yds to the Rutgr 15
  • 2nd & 7 at RUTG 15​

    (12:32 - 2nd) Cole Snyder pass incomplete to Shameen Jones
  • 3rd & 7 at RUTG 15​

    (12:32 - 2nd) Cole Snyder pass incomplete to Shameen Jones
  • 4th & 7 at RUTG 15​

    (11:53 - 2nd) Adam Korsak punt for 51 yds, fair catch by Donny Navarro III at the Illin 34

NEXT SERIES:

  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 20​

    (3:59 - 2nd) Aaron Young run for 2 yds to the Rutgr 18
  • 2nd & 12 at RUTG 18​

    (3:59 - 2nd) Cole Snyder pass complete to Brandon Sanders for 5 yds to the Rutgr 23
  • 3rd & 7 at RUTG 23​

    (3:59 - 2nd) Cole Snyder run for 3 yds to the Rutgr 26
  • 4th & 4 at RUTG 26​

    (2:12 - 2nd) Adam Korsak punt for 54 yds
 
You're basing judgements on 5 passing attempts in a single game? That is ludicrous. What if we used the same standard on Wimsatt and shelved him after BC and Minnesota? Or we did the same with Mike Teel in his early starts? Or Gary Nova?

Besides, didn't he lead Rutgers to one of Rutgers only two touchdowns in a first series?

  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 39​

    (9:18 - 1st) Noah Vedral run for 12 yds to the Illin 49 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 49​

    (9:18 - 1st) Isaih Pacheco run for 13 yds to the Illin 36 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 36​

    (9:18 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 1 yd to the Illin 35
  • 2nd & 9 at ILL 35​

    (9:18 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 6 yds to the Illin 29
  • 3rd & 3 at ILL 29​

    (9:18 - 1st) Cole Snyder pass complete to Shameen Jones for 2 yds to the Illin 27
  • (6:23 - 1st) Timeout RUTGERS, clock 06:23
  • 4th & 1 at ILL 27​

    (6:23 - 1st) Johnny Langan run for 2 yds to the Illin 25 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 25​

    (6:23 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 6 yds to the Illin 19
  • 2nd & 4 at ILL 19​

    (6:23 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 7 yds to the Illin 12 for a 1ST down
  • 1st & 10 at ILL 12​

    (6:23 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 5 yds to the Illin 7
  • 2nd & 5 at ILL 7​

    (4:20 - 1st) Kyle Monangai run for 7 yds for a TD, (Valentino Ambrosio KICK)
NEXT SERIES:
  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 32​

    (2:38 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 2 yds to the Rutgr 34
  • 2nd & 8 at RUTG 34​

    (2:38 - 1st) Cole Snyder pass incomplete to Aaron Young
  • 3rd & 8 at RUTG 34​

    (2:38 - 1st) Cole Snyder run for 4 yds to the Rutgr 30
  • 4th & 12 at RUTG 30​

    (1:19 - 1st) Adam Korsak punt for 45 yds, fair catch by Donny Navarro III at the Illin 25

NEXT SERIES:

  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 12​

    (12:32 - 2nd) Cole Snyder run for 3 yds to the Rutgr 15
  • 2nd & 7 at RUTG 15​

    (12:32 - 2nd) Cole Snyder pass incomplete to Shameen Jones
  • 3rd & 7 at RUTG 15​

    (12:32 - 2nd) Cole Snyder pass incomplete to Shameen Jones
  • 4th & 7 at RUTG 15​

    (11:53 - 2nd) Adam Korsak punt for 51 yds, fair catch by Donny Navarro III at the Illin 34

NEXT SERIES:

  • 1st & 10 at RUTG 20​

    (3:59 - 2nd) Aaron Young run for 2 yds to the Rutgr 18
  • 2nd & 12 at RUTG 18​

    (3:59 - 2nd) Cole Snyder pass complete to Brandon Sanders for 5 yds to the Rutgr 23
  • 3rd & 7 at RUTG 23​

    (3:59 - 2nd) Cole Snyder run for 3 yds to the Rutgr 26
  • 4th & 4 at RUTG 26​

    (2:12 - 2nd) Adam Korsak punt for 54 yds
You can ignore that most of that drive was run play to slant it if you wish...lol. He was awful on every pass attempt & literally killed the offensive flow which is why Noah played hurt the rest of the game. Many were screaming for him to be yanked in our game thread.

Let's just agree that Cole has found the right level for him and leave it at that.
 
You can ignore that most of that drive was run play to slant it if you wish...lol. He was awful on every pass attempt & literally killed the offensive flow which is why Noah played hurt the rest of the game. Many were screaming for him to be yanked in our game thread.

Let's just agree that Cole has found the right level for him and leave it at that.
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Your post, basing judgment on a body of work that included 19 pass attempts for the season going into the Illinois game is a good candidate for Message Board Genius post of the year. High comedy.
 
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Your post, basing judgment on a body of work that included 19 pass attempts for the season going into the Illinois game is a good candidate for Message Board Genius post of the year. High comedy.
As co-president of the Cole Snyder fan club, you are obviously triggered...lol.
 
If we need a TE why not go after one of these guys?

“Hey kid, wanna play at Ball State or the B1G?”
 
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