Guarantee financial gains? Gains over what? Is the question purposely worded in a confusing way?
We don't have a cost problem. We have a revenue problem. Retaining Flood exacerbates the revenue problem.
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Guarantee financial gains? Gains over what? Is the question purposely worded in a confusing way?
We don't have a cost problem. We have a revenue problem. Retaining Flood exacerbates the revenue problem.
If the team starts winning regularly, tickets will sell. Doesn't matter if it's next year or in three years. Could take a couple years, depending on how much winning is occurring.
IMO, lost revenue is a short term issue unless RU drops out of the Big Ten.
I reached that point 2, or was it 3 yrs, ago. It was after Nova's 5 or 6 interception performance & KF gave Nova that ringing endorsement, even to the point of anointing him as the next yrs. starting QB. Gave the tickets up. Couldn't invest the same emotionally or financially in such a wrong headed, losing proposition.
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Go take a look at the data of any of our contemporaries in the B1G, Purdue is a good one: Both RU and Purdue have similar costs for Athletics, around 75 million. But, Purdue makes about $30 million more in revenue than wee do. The two biggest numbers off the top or my head were in B1G revenue share and ticket sales. While we are waiting for the B1G revenue share to come in the only revenue number we can control is ticket sales and related donations.
Compare the Ohio State game attendance figures with the Nebraska figures 53000 to 45000 a difference of about 8000 the difference there would be the draw of OSU and and the lack of enthusiasm given RUs struggles. losing 5000 paying customers over 7 games is going to cost RU a lot in lost revenue.
Hudson .... Those aren't independent things. That was baloney TP spin for fools to believe.
If you have a revenue problem you also have a cost problem.
Mild...again you try to spin your interest in spending more to generate more as fact when you are still without any basis to support that. You can speculate until the cows come home but that is still all it is. Guessing.
If you have a revenue problem you also have a cost problem.
Mild...again you try to spin your interest in spending more to generate more as fact when you are still without any basis to support that. You can speculate until the cows come home but that is still all it is. Guessing.
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How can Purdue have ticket sales advantage over us?
We are averaging about 10k per game better than them.
Are they counting concessions?...if so, are they selling beer?
Doesn't seem to make sense.
Seems obvious to me...
If the administration gives the fans the finger by keeping Flood, a good portion of the fans will give the finger right back and say the hell with this. How many is debatable, but no doubt, it will happen to some extent.
The difficult thing to estimate how much lost revenue there will be from lost donations if we keep Flood.
There are probably a lot of people on this board (and elsewhere) that will make a one time donation if we hire a new coach, regardless of who it is.
My guess is the better received the new coach is, the more $ people will donate to help our financial situation and support the football program.
If we hire a perceived dud, the contribution will be small.
If we hire a perceived home run, the contribution will be greater, as the fans will reward an effort by the admin to put the best product possible on the field.
If we keep Flood, (almost) NO ONE (there are always some wacko exceptions) is going to increase their donations.
This is probably not a typical example, but I will admit I have given very little to the athletic department in my lifetime.
If we get rid of Flood, I will make a donation (however modest).
If we don't, I wouldn't even consider giving a penny because I feel like it would be giving my approval (and $) to Flood.
If the administration gives the fans the finger by keeping Flood, a good portion of the fans will give the finger right back and say the hell with this. How many is debatable, but no doubt, it will happen to some extent.
The difficult thing to estimate how much lost revenue there will be from lost donations if we keep Flood.
There are probably a lot of people on this board (and elsewhere) that will make a one time donation if we hire a new coach, regardless of who it is.
My guess is the better received the new coach is, the more $ people will donate to help our financial situation and support the football program.
If we hire a perceived dud, the contribution will be small.
If we hire a perceived home run, the contribution will be greater, as the fans will reward an effort by the admin to put the best product possible on the field.
If we keep Flood, (almost) NO ONE (there are always some wacko exceptions) is going to increase their donations.
This is probably not a typical example, but I will admit I have given very little to the athletic department in my lifetime.
If we get rid of Flood, I will make a donation (however modest).
If we don't, I wouldn't even consider giving a penny because I feel like it would be giving my approval (and $) to Flood.
They reported $14,000,000 million in ticket sales we reported around $9,000,000 or $10,000,000. I'll see if I can find the link.
They're 2013 figures. We were still in the AAC
THE WHOLE MONEY ARGUMENT IS BASED ON 2013 NUMBERS
THE WHOLE MONEY ARGUMENT IS BASED ON 2013 NUMBERS
You were expecting RU Football to excel against the B1G? And if not you were expecting fans to sell out the stadium of an over matched under supported loser?
Is it just FB revenue or all athletics? There basketball revenue has to be a significant multiple higher than ours.
The difference may very well be how the schools differ in accounting practices. Purdue has a student activity fee for events included in their tuition and fees that each student pays. In addition, Purdue sells the students $99 Boarding Passes for football season tickets and free access to the basketball games. I'm sure the $99/student boarding pass is factored into their revenue. Obviously at Rutgers the $10M in our subsidy covers the students athletic events cost and I'm not sure if that shows up as Rutgers ticket revenue for sporting events.
Found this, but shows different ticket sale amount
But looks like the amount was before RU started playing in the B1G
Behind the numbers: Where Big Ten athletic departments rank in spending, profit, pay | Chicago Football
http://www.chicagofootball.com/2015...artments-rank-in-spending-profit-pay/a2quusm/
But looks like the amount was before RU started playing in the B1G
Behind the numbers: Where Big Ten athletic departments rank in spending, profit, pay | Chicago Football
http://www.chicagofootball.com/2015...artments-rank-in-spending-profit-pay/a2quusm/
If you didn't think tickets would be harder to get once we started Big Ten pay I don't believe you. I think many people held on to tickets in the 2000s based on the hope we would go Big Ten. Certainly RU was pushing the angle that you'd lose your season ticket areas if you didn't continue...
I'm down for a little cheating for sure but i would think a person who is "slick" would be able to get more quality athletes to come in.......we are severely lacking in team speed & this will continue to get worse & yes Flood has "balanced" the depth chart but i really haven't seen many difference makers
This could be possibly the most ill-informed post in the history of this board. We could start a game here. We could call it the "how many obvious ways can you find that this is wrong " game. It could go on for weeks. We'd have to start new threads just to store everything. At some point along the way, there would be a breakthrough into new levels of things that are wrong with this. If anyone wants to start, feel free.
Those 10k seats are probably the giveaways our school was reported to...give away.
You are full of shat.
I know many season ticketholders who are giving up their tickets seats if Fudd returns.
As a 17 year season ticket holder and a Donor with PPs I have already written Julie Herman and told her I willing be doing the same.
Im probably an average ticket holder. I donate in the very low thousands not tens of thousands. With 6 tickets. I will be donating nothing and going from 6 to 4 next year assuming flood will be back.
No one?
If Flood returns I'm out.
I have unlimited options to get tickets and parking passes whenever I desire.
Going down to 1 ticket at the lowest price which won't be used and no parking. Will cherry pick games to go to as cheap as possible but move to sit in good seats. Yellow coats are for show.
The BOG can f themselves if they don't throw Mr. Flood overboard.
The BOG can f themselves if they don't throw Mr. Flood overboard.
Thanks!
What really stood out to me...between RU and Purdue..Was the bowl, TV , etc payouts section...they got $20m more and lost $5m more than us as dept.
You are the type of fan who Rutgers would miss the most. The 1000 fans who reduce their donations from $3000 to the $500 minimum required for their seats will cost Rutgers $3 MM in donations. And another $700K as you drop 2 season tickets.
Never heard anyone who is in the Scarlet Lot refer to it as the Red Lot. Just saying.
I don't get this mentality (unless you have unlimited $$$) . If you are a long time season ticket holder and don't renew your tix you lose your priority points.
If hypothetically 1 or 2 years later Rutgers hires that home-run coach you've always wanted you just f*cked yourself into starting all over again on parking and priority points. Wouldn't it be better to keep your tix and parking passes, sell them ever year to visiting B1G fans to get your money back and wait until there is a coaching change?
Red Pass and Red Lot is the only way I've ever referred to my parking.
I'm not sure I understand this.
KF is currently the 65th or so highest paid coach in the country.
Our expenditures, outside of extraordinary items, are in the bottom quartile of our conference.
Our donation levels, parking prices and ticket prices are at a minimum in the bottom half of the conference.
What expenses would you put on the table to cut?
What do we do that is best in class in the conference?
I could list you 3 dozen ways to grow revenue.
I couldn't list you one way to further reduce costs while simultaneously attempting to be competitive.
I'm afraid I disagree with the idea that we have a cost problem.
I don't have a season Red pass but I just got a Red pass for the Mary game. That is the way I had referred to it cause I am old school I guess. These guys will try any angle to bring a poster's opinion down to fit theirs.
OK Einstein...what does YOUR Scarlet pass say? ...Mine is below.
I'm getting sick and tired these fools typing BS as gospel on this board.
its got a 7 in the middle and says Maryland at the bottom in a cream colored font.OK Einstein...what does YOUR Scarlet pass say? ...Mine is below.
I'm getting sick and tired these fools typing BS as gospel on this board.
Look, the point is the word Red is often substituted for Scarlet all the time. (even salmon is)
RED team Upstream
Where RED to the game
And do you tell folks the stadium is painted all Scarlet or Red?
When I told folks to meet me saturday, I said the red lot. Does that void my 41 years of being a rutgers fan?
and by the way, no true rutgers fan would ever use the term Einstein. He was at Princeton.
(all in fun. enjoy your thanksgiving. )
