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Benching Players in Foul Trouble

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Saw this WSJ article about Todd Golden and was reminded that the issue of how soon to bench players in foul trouble has been discussed here several times.

Excerpts from the article:

But one of the ideas he discussed in detail wasn’t just a little wonky. It was a revolutionary notion that challenged one of the core tenets of college basketball orthodoxy.

“What you see a lot of coaches do, and I don’t want to call them old school…” Golden said, before launching into his premise.

When a player collects two fouls in the first half, coaches typically send them straight to the bench to avoid a scenario where they pick up a third and are dangerously close to fouling out before halftime.

This seemed like a perfectly logical strategy, Golden explained. Except it was a load of bunk.

Why, he asked, should coaches keep their best players out of the game and limit their playing time over a fear of something that might never happen?

The logic behind the strategy is so simple that it seems impossible it was ignored by traditionalists for so long. Reflexively benching a player with two fouls in the first half puts an artificial cap on their time on the floor.

“A lot of coaches think, ‘Oh, I’m gonna save that guy for the second half when the game is on the line,’” Golden said. “What people don’t realize is that regardless of whether it’s two minutes into the game or the final minute of the game, points are worth the same across all 40 minutes”

And it’s not as if coaches get a prize for a player finishing with unused fouls. Someone who picks up two fouls in the first half might not pick up another one the rest of the way. That’s why it can be more advantageous to test the limits by letting a star stay on the court rather than simply assuming he’ll pick up additional fouls. It’s always possible to sit him later, but you can’t get back those minutes he spent on the bench.

The Data-Obsessed Coach Who’s Challenging College Basketball’s Golden Rule

 
Golden's theory is fine, in theory, but good teams will TARGET the star with 2 fouls to make him pick up his 3rd, and if the player plays softer with 2 fouls to avoid getting the 3rd, then said player won't play defense as well.

There's considerations on both sides of this.
 
I think it’s a tad more complex than that. I understand the point that he’s making, but college basketball traditionally doesn’t have a roster full of 23 year olds.

Typically in CBB if you had a (RS) Senior pick up a 2nd foul, you would let him play because you trust his experience and he will be able to manage it himself.

If you have a freshman or sophomore they can tend to be a little bit more emotional/reactionary and have a higher percentage of picking up a dumb or frustration foul. Happens all the time.
 
Also, if it's 2 quick fouls and that player has to sit 15 minutes.... that's different than a 2nd foul called with 4 min left in the half.

I think it's good to pull a player for at least a short while, because frustration can compound the issue and lead to another quick foul. Get them out of the ref's mind, get them settled, then look to bring them back in. Pike did that a lot this year with Harper/Bailey, with each playing plenty of time in the latter part of first halves with 2 fouls.
 
So many factors a coach has to take into account with this . I don't think there's any one way . It depends oin the kid and the team along with the opponent.

No sense having him for the 2nd Half if you have to play it down 20.
 
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So many factors a coach has to take into account with this . I don't think there's any one way . It depends oin the kid and the team along with the opponent.

No sense having him for the 2nd Half if you have to play it down 20.
Coaches generally do manage how much a player sits by the flow of the game.
 
I don’t know when it changed but in the 70’s and maybe 80’s you didn’t sit in the first half until the third foul. Most coaches are pretty conventional and certainly not brilliant economists or math majors. They do what everyone else does. Now in the last few years you see some movement back to the old way or at least flexibility and it becomes okay to do it because others are doing it.
 
Not benching Ace with 90 seconds to go in the half led to him picking up his third and then eventually fouling out with plenty of time left in 2nd half.. May have cost us in this close game.
 
Saw this WSJ article about Todd Golden and was reminded that the issue of how soon to bench players in foul trouble has been discussed here several times.

Excerpts from the article:

But one of the ideas he discussed in detail wasn’t just a little wonky. It was a revolutionary notion that challenged one of the core tenets of college basketball orthodoxy.

“What you see a lot of coaches do, and I don’t want to call them old school…” Golden said, before launching into his premise.

When a player collects two fouls in the first half, coaches typically send them straight to the bench to avoid a scenario where they pick up a third and are dangerously close to fouling out before halftime.

This seemed like a perfectly logical strategy, Golden explained. Except it was a load of bunk.

Why, he asked, should coaches keep their best players out of the game and limit their playing time over a fear of something that might never happen?

The logic behind the strategy is so simple that it seems impossible it was ignored by traditionalists for so long. Reflexively benching a player with two fouls in the first half puts an artificial cap on their time on the floor.

“A lot of coaches think, ‘Oh, I’m gonna save that guy for the second half when the game is on the line,’” Golden said. “What people don’t realize is that regardless of whether it’s two minutes into the game or the final minute of the game, points are worth the same across all 40 minutes”

And it’s not as if coaches get a prize for a player finishing with unused fouls. Someone who picks up two fouls in the first half might not pick up another one the rest of the way. That’s why it can be more advantageous to test the limits by letting a star stay on the court rather than simply assuming he’ll pick up additional fouls. It’s always possible to sit him later, but you can’t get back those minutes he spent on the bench.

The Data-Obsessed Coach Who’s Challenging College Basketball’s Golden Rule

You don’t get a prize for unused fouls but a coach who gets his best players fouled out consistently do get a prize. Fired

I appreciate Golden trying to take a fresh look but the decision should made player by player. Certain players you can leave others can’t.

More importantly a competent coach would complete abuse Golden strategy. You simply isolate the player in foul trouble every time down the court and attack. That player has to be passive on D or he will foul out. Easy buckets or fouls.
 
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