Big 10 Rankings and 2/14-2/20 discussion thread

[bac2therac]

1. Wisconsin
2. Purdue
3. Maryland
4. Northwestern
5. Minnesota
6. Michigan State
7. Michigan
8. Indiana
9. Penn State
10. Iowa
11. Nebraska
12. Ohio State
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers


Rutgers at Purdue
Ohio St at Michigan St
Penn St at Nebraska

Purdue should roll, MSU lost at OSU earlier this year and this is a must win for their NCAA hopes. Nebby has had such a rollercoaster season while PSU is showing signs of putting it all together

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Indiana may end up being RUs opponent Wednesday night.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Michigan State's remaining schedule. Tonight is HUGE. They will need to win 3 games, including B1GT, to probably get in. 18-14 or 18-15 probably is good enough. With those records MSU will be huddled around their TVs hoping teams like Monmouth win their conference tournaments.

Tue Feb 14 61 Ohio St. W, 72-67 66 67% Home ×
Sat Feb 18 11 Purdue L, 77-65 68 13% Away ×
Thu Feb 23 91 Nebraska W, 71-64 66 75% Home ×
Sun Feb 26 15 Wisconsin L, 64-61 62 40% Home ×
Wed Mar 1 76 Illinois L, 67-66 65 46% Away ×
Sun Mar 5 36 Maryland L, 71-66 66 30% Away ×
Projected record: 18-13 10-8

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Actually probably with those records 1 of those wins would need to be MD,WISC, or PUR. If not their best win will either be NW or Minny. yes there schedule is tough but they would have had 8 opportunities against top teams and be 0-8.

 

[bac2therac]

Indiana may end up being RUs opponent Wednesday night.

I do not see that at all and that is just a bad matchup for us

 

[bac2therac]

MSU has a SOS of 18

2-5 vs top 25...sweep of Minnesota
3-5 vs top 50
7-9 vs top 100 which is pretty good...3 more wins put them at 10 wins which almost always gets a team in

4-8 road/neutral is mediocre and the only OOC win of note was Wichita State. One bad loss to Northeastern. Still I think the magic number is 3 for them.

 

[bac2therac]

Indiana plays 4 of 5 on road. I think they are going to win one or two but wouldnt be surprised with a run either. This conference is unpredictable...that makes them 6-12/7-11

OSU figures to be 6-12 to 8-10

PSU figures to be 7-11 or better

Nebby figures to be 5-13 to 7-11

Iowa figures to be 7-11 or better

Illinois figures to finish 13th

Rutgers will finish 14th

so I think its going to be OSU, Indiana, Nebby....you may be right about Indiana finishing 11th but I would not want to play them.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

If they finish 11th they may just pack it in

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Wow. Penn State laid a big egg. I may have to rethink my penciling them in automatically for being much better next year because they are young. They are so up and down.

I have no idea what the 11-14 and 12-13 matchup are going to look like. It is anyone's game.

 

[bac2therac]

Nebraska has played maybe one bad league game all year. I would expect them to beat PSU at home. But in typical Chambers fashion he still isnt ready to take the leap. At some point you have to find consistency and win the winnable games against similar talent even on the road. Could be a costly loss for their slim NIT hopes

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Stealing your thunder...tonight

7PM Maryland @ Northwestern MD a kenpom 5 point favorite
9PM Indiana @ Minnesota LR a 4 point kenpom favorite

Both games are good...have to say the 9PM game intrigues me more. I think Indiana needs 3 more wins to get to 18.

Wed Feb 15 39 Minnesota L, 74-70 68 33% Away ×
Tue Feb 21 72 Iowa L, 81-80 71 49% Away ×
Sat Feb 25 31 Northwestern W, 71-70 65 54% Home ×
Tue Feb 28 11 Purdue L, 81-70 69 15% Away ×
Sat Mar 4 62 Ohio St. L, 76-74 68 44% Away ×
B1GT

Minny on the other hand probably needs 2
Wed Feb 15 49 Indiana W, 74-70 68 67% Home ×
Sun Feb 19 30 Michigan W, 68-66 63 58% Home ×
Wed Feb 22 38 Maryland L, 71-67 68 36% Away ×
Sat Feb 25 85 Penn St. W, 74-65 72 80% Home ×
Thu Mar 2 82 Nebraska W, 72-63 68 79% Home ×
Sun Mar 5 15 Wisconsin L, 67-59 63 21% Away ×
B1gT

 

[bac2therac]

wouldnt be shocked by either result, who knows with Indiana? Lindsay is still not back for Northwestern so even though they got that shocking win over Wisky, beating MD even at home is still going to be tough.

I think Minny needs 3 including B10 tourney to feel safe although just two could be enough. Indiana is going to need 3 more regular season and probably work to do in the B10 tourney

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

those victories over Kansas and UNC aren't going away....and their current 3 game losing streak will be in the LAST 10 unless they have a deep run in B1GT which would make this conversation moot.

They also had 8 clown OOC games.

 

[bac2therac]

non conference wins are huge...that will Trump a sagging conference mark...Big 10 tourney will decide their fate...you will see the results of the eye test

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Question for you....Monmouth. If they run the table and lose in the MAAC tournament final...in or out they'd be 28-6. i'd think OUT

 

[bac2therac]

i think out...they have no quality wins, last year they had Notre Dame, UCLA, USC, Georgetown, this year they have Princeton

but we will see, I think there only chance is to run the table, if they lose a game before that they are out and quite frankly if they cant win the MAAC tourney then they simply do not deserve to make the NCAA tourney when you think about it

 

[MGSA99]

11th place in this league is as good as getting a bye into the 2nd round.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Last night we played the only team I think we aren't capable of beating and they aren't falling to 11. Add playing in a 20,000 seat arena that is 5% full and I like our chances.

 

[TDIrish27]

Monmouth needs to win the conference tourney or they're out.

 

[bac2therac]

Last night we played the only team I think we aren't capable of beating and they aren't falling to 11. Add playing in a 20,000 seat arena that is 5% full and I like our chances.

eh not so sure. I think Nebby didnt play very well against us, wouldnt like to play them. I think Iowa is just flat out better than us. The issue is that all the other teams on their best day are better than RU on their best day. So its going to take a certain combination to pull off a win

 

[bac2therac]

Maryland was pretty impressive winning at Northwestern...do not right them off yet, they have a favorable schedule. If they can win at Wisconsin this weekend they might win the Big 10

 

[shields]

Can't predict anything yet, injuries could be a factor.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

James Blackmon would drive me crazy if he was on our team. So lazy on D

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

He is now Richard Pitino in my book. I respect his team and the job he has done here. Definitely a team I can root for, They are a 2 guard away from being very good. Curry gets the tip off a Springs miss and IU doesnt box out. Last possession shows what MN is and what IU is not.

Minny has very good defensive #s and you can see why. Found my self rooting for them.

IU is on it's last legs now. Time for Iowa to finish them.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Tonight we have Wisconsin @ Michigan. Could be another great B1G game. kenny has M winning 64-63.

Michigan has 6 games left. 5 of the 6 are toss ups.

Thu Feb 16 15 Wisconsin W, 64-63 57 52% Home
Sun Feb 19 39 Minnesota L, 69-67 63 42% Away
Wed Feb 22 132 Rutgers W, 68-62 61 70% Away
Sat Feb 25 11 Purdue L, 72-71 63 47% Home
Wed Mar 1 31 Northwestern L, 68-65 60 39% Away
Sun Mar 5 83 Nebraska W, 69-67 62 58% Away

If michigan can finish 3-3 they are 19-12 9-9 and probably go to B1GT for fun. it was a good idea for them to beat Marquette and SMU in November.

 

[bac2therac]

Michigan has 9 top 100 wins..thats ALOT....Just 2-6 vs top 50...SMU is a great win, MSU is the other. A win tonight would all but lock them in. If they do not win tonight, and I am picking Wisky here, I think they need one more quality win...either Purdue at home or Nwstern/Minn on the road. 4 road games in last 5..potential landmines at Nebby and even at RU. If they get this they do not have to worry but if they do not, they have to do it on the road generally.

Indiana was tough last night very very close to getting that win. Tons of close losses this year. Still I am not sure its a team thats going to pack it in because they have played pretty close all year long with a few exceptions, I think its a very dangerous team in the B10 tourney because on their game they can beat anyone.

 

[bac2therac]

He is now Richard Pitino in my book. I respect his team and the job he has done here. Definitely a team I can root for, They are a 2 guard away from being very good. Curry gets the tip off a Springs miss and IU doesnt box out. Last possession shows what MN is and what IU is not.

Minny has very good defensive #s and you can see why. Found my self rooting for them.

IU is on it's last legs now. Time for Iowa to finish them.

Ricky could get coach of the year..going to be close between him and Collins but Ricky has the momentum now

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Ricky could get coach of the year..going to be close between him and Collins but Ricky has the momentum now

Of course, all of that assumes Rutgers losses out.

 

[TC4THREE]

No Koenig tonight for Wisconsin.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Michigan -3 according to ESPN.

 

[bac2therac]

Michigan wins 64-58...did not see the game at all but that is a feather in the cap win for them. They probably just need one or two more and they are locked in

 

[TDIrish27]

Michigan is a dangerous team to play in a tournament-----athletic and can shoot.

 

[G- RUnit]

And well coached... seem to be getting hot. Let's see how they do on the road....

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

1. Wisconsin IN 100%
2. Purdue IN 100%
3. Maryland IN 100%
4. Northwestern IN, with 1 more 98%
5. Minnesota IN, with 2 more 90%
6. Michigan State IN, with 3 more 60%
7. Michigan IN, with 2 more 75%
8. Indiana NEEDS 4 wins which means a run in B1GT 20%
9. Penn State NEEDS 5-6 wins 2%
10. Iowa NEEDS 5 WINS 5%
11. Nebraska NEEDS B1GT win .5%
12. Ohio State NEEDS 4 wins 15%
13. Illinois NEEDS 5 wins 1%
14. Rutgers NEEDS 5 game winning streak starting 3/8/17 .01%

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

my analysis above obviously dependent on actual bubble and not my arbitrary guess. It looks like the top 7 with indiana and Ohio State needing to get hot to play way in the conversation. Ohio State gets brought up because their schedule isn't crazy and i believe they have talent.

 

[bac2therac]

1. Purdue
2. Maryland
3. Wisconsin
4. Northwestern
5. Minnesota
6. Michigan
7. Michigan State
8. Indiana
9. Penn State
10. Nebraska
11. Iowa
12. Ohio State
13. Illinois
14. Rutgers


Illinois at Iowa
Michigan State at Purdue
Rutgers at Northwestern
Nebraska at Ohio State

Maryland at Wisconsin
Michigan at Minnesota

I am interested to see how Michigan State matches up against Purdue to see how much of a gap there is between Izzo's team and at the top of the Big 10 at this point

Northwestern needs to avoid a slipup against RU. Groce is coaching for his life at Illinois. Matta's seat getting warm at OSU?

Maryland/Wisky game has major implications for the race for the regular season title. Wisky really needs to stop the skid.....and even before the 2 losses, some very poor play. Mich/Minn is a big battle for seeding in the conference and probably in the NCAA tourney. Surging Michigan is very close to wrapping up a NCAA bid.,

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

indiana is TO high. Way to high.

They should really be 12. losers of 6 out of last 7. 5 wins are Illinois, Rutgers, @PSU, Mich St, PSU

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

i suppose 8 thru 12 are interchangable. they really are the same. Unfortunately for 2 of them they will have an early date with Groce and RU

 

[bac2therac]

indiana is TO high. Way to high.

They should really be 12. losers of 6 out of last 7. 5 wins are Illinois, Rutgers, @PSU, Mich St, PSU

Perhaps but they beat PSU 2x so they have to be over them. I dont see anything of late from OSU and Iowa to suggest they should be higher...maybe Nebby but all these teams are up and down. Indiana is still more talented than those teams 9-14.

 

[rubaseball78]

Michigan wins 64-58...did not see the game at all but that is a feather in the cap win for them. They probably just need one or two more and they are locked in

Wisconsin did not look good last night but they were playing without Koenig.