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Blueprint going forward.

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Our first half last night against Penn STATE was arguably the best of the year , a little better than the first half against Alabama , but it included a blueprint for winning basketball that has to be part of our offense going forward.

1). The 3 point attempts have to be a staple of our offense and they must be taken by the players that should be taking them. To win a game like Pike played in prior years where we only made 4-5 threes a game required a superb defensive effort . We should not have another game this year making only 4-5 threes . We will unlikely get the back to back to back from Dylan but 1 or 2 at various times should be doable. Getting 2 from PJ and 2 fromAcuff was also tremendous as they were the ones we wanted shooting them. PJ actually missed another open one in the first half and I think he missed one from the corner in the second half. Ace missed his but Jeremiah hitting the buzzer beater was also great. The guys who were supposed to take the 3 , even if they missed , were the right shots.

Pike I think made a mistake against Ohio State in not playing PJ , as the entire defense was terrible and he got beat badly in the first half for a drive by layup . However , not playing him at all in the second half against Ohio State destroyed any chance of him hitting 1 to spark the team and get the lead Ohio state had 7-9 points , down to 4-6 points and if he hit 2 then you are talking 1 possession.game. As bad as we were against Ohio State it was 63-56 with just under 8 minutes left and there were 4 stops or turnovers by Ohio State and followed by 4 turnovers by us . A few threes might have sparked us and woke us out of our slumber and Ohio State who just blew a 12 point lead to Pittsburgh in their last home game with under 4 minutes to play , might have coughed up another.
Now not advocating shooting too many threes but making 7-11 on 16-20 attempts should be a goal every game as trying to win games making only 3-4 threes a game is becoming almost impossible. Not advocating just chucking up threes at random but within the course of our offense on kick outs and off second chance rebounds or in transition. We missed a number in transition in the early second half that could have blown the game wide open. We need a cushion to get a lead and to maintain one and the three ball has to be a part of it. Pike has to keep his 3 point shooters in the game with Dylan and ACE for a decent portion of the game.
Look at how difficult it was to hold onto the lead against Penn State making 0 threes in the second half.
 
What players are allowed to take 3s and who cant?
Anyone wide open should ideally take the three . But we have to get wide open looks for PJ and Acuff every half and ideally they will be shooting the majority. Dylan and Ace have the green light. Jeremiah off of penetration and kick out hit some big ones against Alabama and Texas A&M including the one to put us up 77-76 late. Others will have opportunities like JMike and Jordan and even Dylan Grant but they must be passed up for a better shot. Again , Dylan and Ace but especially Dylan will most likely be double teamed and he is in the best position to find PJ, Acuff or Jeremiah . I also have no problem shooting them in transition.
 
I bothers me when PJ gets five or less minutes in the first half and can’t get a touch or some sets run for him to get up a shot. Steve then sits him for the rest of the game.
 
I agree on shooting the 3. We actually went away from that in the second half and it almost cost us the game.
This! We made 7 threes in the first half and went up by 15 at halftime. Then Pike benches PJ Hayes and we only make 1 three the entire second half and almost blow the game. Inexplicable
 
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PJ has to play 15 minutes/game. If you are going to have drivers and attention grabbers like Harper and Ace, you have to have reliable shooters out there.
I agree you need that 3 point threat although he did miss two wide open corner 3's; one in the first half and one in the second half; and I know we didn't hit any 3 pointers in the second half but if we make our free throws its not even close
 
The blueprint is for Dylan and Ace to get going early rather than wait til later. That will open up shots for others. Easier said then done but Id much rather have that than the supporting cast taking early shots.

The blueprint is also getting stops early and then making them pay in transistion
 
The blueprint is for Dylan and Ace to get going early rather than wait til later. That will open up shots for others. Easier said then done but Id much rather have that than the supporting cast taking early shots.

The blueprint is also getting stops early and then making them pay in transistion
I think you make a great point. Against Alabama and Penn State , Dylan got started early and it carried the team whereas the slow start against Ohio State partially because Jordan hit 2 threes and Zack hit a 3 did not have him setting the tone. But I am with you , let Dylan and ACE for that matter come out aggressive attacking and shooting getting our offense going. We ended up walking the ball up every trip which I hated and was indicative of the sluggishness all game.
 
PJ has to play 15 minutes/game. If you are going to have drivers and attention grabbers like Harper and Ace, you have to have reliable shooters out there.
There are going to be very few people left on our schedule he can guard. You won't see him play 15 MPG unless some how in the next month something happens where he figures it out. I suppose if Paul could do it anyone could.
 
There are going to be very few people left on our schedule he can guard. You won't see him play 15 MPG unless some how in the next month something happens where he figures it out. I suppose if Paul could do it anyone could.

He is also one of many people that are not great defenders on this team. Who replaces him that offers some type of spreading the floor?Paul was not a good shooter.

He gives effort. It may be 10-12 minutes. Who knows. Pikiell has always struggled with rotations. I like the Jmike on PS kid to start, but shoot, he wasn't staying with him more than 70% of the time. He also offers very little shooting.

Whatever happens, Pikiell just has to shorten this rotation and keep it for consistency. Is PJ fighting for minutes against Acuff?
 
We keep saying he needs to shrink the rotation, but quite frankly how does anyone know who should play. I'd love to see minutes distribution of the shorten rotation crowd. In addition with our roster being not the most versatile I think we need to keep a bunch of people in the fold that may be more useful in certain matchups.

Things and concepts that aren't dead
1. Ace as the 5
2. Zach Martini
3. Dylan Grant
4. JaMike being a guy who is in the lineup at the end of the game
5. JaMike getting a DNP for a half
 
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PJ needs to play. If someone beats him to the hole and makes the shot that’s 2 points. If PJ hits a 3, well that’s 3 points. 50% more. So the issue is the ratio between those. Every other team we see will have 3 point shooters. We’ll be dead in the water without them and Pj is the best we’ve got.
 
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This! We made 7 threes in the first half and went up by 15 at halftime. Then Pike benches PJ Hayes and we only make 1 three the entire second half and almost blow the game. Inexplicable
We actually made 8 in the first half and 0 in the second half. Early in the second half , we missed some threes in transition that could have blown open the game from 17 to 25. We then for the last 10 minutes did not make the 3 part of our offense. That cannot happen. The 3 or the threat of the 3 will only open up more of the lane for Dylan or whoever is driving.
 
We beat a team that has been on fire, not just beating Purdue, but blowing them out of the gym a few days ago. Lead was hovering around 25 for most of the game against a Top 10 team.

What a surprise. We still have a dozen posters who think they are infinitely smarter than our actual coaches.

If only our coaches would read these boards! We would be undefeated for the rest of the season.

Me?

I am happy our coaches and team figured out a way to win against a team that was on a roll!
 
We beat a team that has been on fire, not just beating Purdue, but blowing them out of the gym a few days ago. Lead was hovering around 25 for most of the game against a Top 10 team.

What a surprise. We still have a dozen posters who think they are infinitely smarter than our actual coaches.

If only our coaches would read these boards! We would be undefeated for the rest of the season.

Me?

I am happy our coaches and team figured out a way to win against a team that was on a roll!
This.
 
We beat a team that has been on fire, not just beating Purdue, but blowing them out of the gym a few days ago. Lead was hovering around 25 for most of the game against a Top 10 team.

What a surprise. We still have a dozen posters who think they are infinitely smarter than our actual coaches.

If only our coaches would read these boards! We would be undefeated for the rest of the season.

Me?

I am happy our coaches and team figured out a way to win against a team that was on a roll!

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PJ needs to play. If someone beats him to the hole and makes the shot that’s 2 points. If PJ hits a 3, well that’s 3 points. 50% more. So the issue is the ratio between those. Every other team we see will have 3 point shooters. We’ll be dead in the water without them and Pj is the best we’ve got.
He’s also a decent passer. By having him in the game somebody has to get out on him, opening up opportunities for cutters inside. Anytime he gets a psss at the arc, he puts us in a strong position as a team, offensively. Or leave him open at your own peril.
 
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PJ needs to play. If someone beats him to the hole and makes the shot that’s 2 points. If PJ hits a 3, well that’s 3 points. 50% more. So the issue is the ratio between those. Every other team we see will have 3 point shooters. We’ll be dead in the water without them and Pj is the best we’ve got.
Problem with this logic is he's 40% from 3 so the expected points are 1.2. You're not going to win many games if your 3 is a defensive turnstile. Beating somebody clean and dunking is close to 2 expected points.

That said - again maybe it's just me - but I see greenshoots with PJ's defense. I think there is a salvageable defender in there. I really do.
 
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Problem with this logic is he's 40% from 3 so the expected points are 1.2. You're not going to win many games if your 3 is a defensive turnstile. Beating somebody clean and dunking is close to 2 expected points.

That said - again maybe it's just me - but I see greenshoots with PJ's defense. I think there is a salvageable defender in there. I really do.
It’s not as though he’s getting regularly dunked on. There are close in misses by the opponent too. It is ultimately a calculation that’s not exactly measurable (marginal difference compared to his replacement) but I would go with him being on the floor more. We won the first half by 15, stopped shooting threes and lost the second half by11. If we we continue to shut down our offense like we did against PSU I believe we will e be below .500 in the Big 10.
 
He is also one of many people that are not great defenders on this team. Who replaces him that offers some type of spreading the floor?Paul was not a good shooter.

He gives effort. It may be 10-12 minutes. Who knows. Pikiell has always struggled with rotations. I like the Jmike on PS kid to start, but shoot, he wasn't staying with him more than 70% of the time. He also offers very little shooting.

Whatever happens, Pikiell just has to shorten this rotation and keep it for consistency. Is PJ fighting for minutes against Acuff?
Seems like playing some zone when Hayes is out there would mask his liabilities. When we get scored on in zone we immediately go back to man to man. How about we try to adapt and keep playing some zone. Boehiem didn't give up on the zone once someone scored on it.
 
The blueprint is for Dylan and Ace to get going early rather than wait til later. That will open up shots for others. Easier said then done but Id much rather have that than the supporting cast taking early shots.

The blueprint is also getting stops early and then making them pay in transistion
Agreed. Games where they don't touch the ball early and often makes no sense

As Dylan and Ace go the team will go
 
Seems like playing some zone when Hayes is out there would mask his liabilities. When we get scored on in zone we immediately go back to man to man. How about we try to adapt and keep playing some zone. Boehiem didn't give up on the zone once someone scored on it.
Boehiem coached that zone extensively. Pike is a man defense guy. He goes away from it because he usually only goes to it for a change in look. Although the ease with which we get scored upon when in it would make any coach run from it.
 
Agreed. Games where they don't touch the ball early and often makes no sense

As Dylan and Ace go the team will go
I'd like to think/hope I disagree with this. Getting everyone involved early and "saving" Dylan's energy for the rest of the game I'd like to think that is best. In reality.............
 
I'd like to think/hope I disagree with this. Getting everyone involved early and "saving" Dylan's energy for the rest of the game I'd like to think that is best. In reality.............
For so many reasons, I loved to see Dylan knock down those early treys against PSU.

He got us off to a quick start, lit up the crowd, set a tone early that you can’t cheat and sag off him, scored from deep while his legs were still fresh, and conserved some energy by scoring without driving.

One of Dylan’s best qualities is his decisiveness. He innately knows the best case scenario on each of his possessions. Tough to strategize against a guy like that, who can make you pay in so many ways.

As a college player, he reminds me of Boo Buie in his senior and graduate years, except Dylan has the added size advantage and he’s only a freshman.
 
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Pike can't make FT's

Team shot 8 for 11 in the 1st half, 6 for 14 in the 2nd half .

question could be asked, mental fatigue or physical fatigue
 
Pike can't make FT's

Team shot 8 for 11 in the 1st half, 6 for 14 in the 2nd half .

question could be asked, mental fatigue or physical fatigue
My take is, miss the first one it’s physical, make the second one it’s mental.
 
For so many reasons, I loved to see Dylan knock down those early treys against PSU.

He got us off to a quick start, lit up the crowd, set a tone early that you can’t cheat and sag off him, scored from deep while his legs were still fresh, and conserved some energy by scoring without driving.

One of Dylan’s best qualities is his decisiveness. He innately knows the best case scenario on each of his possessions. Tough to strategize against a guy like that, who can make you pay in so many ways.

As a college player, he reminds me of Boo Buie in his senior and graduate years, except Dylan has the added size advantage and he’s only a freshman.
Dylan is way better than Boo Buie in his 5th year.
 
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I'd like to think/hope I disagree with this. Getting everyone involved early and "saving" Dylan's energy for the rest of the game I'd like to think that is best. In reality.............
Ace and Dylan should get involved early and set the tone. Then get the role players going off that
 
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Our first half last night against Penn STATE was arguably the best of the year , a little better than the first half against Alabama , but it included a blueprint for winning basketball that has to be part of our offense going forward.

1). The 3 point attempts have to be a staple of our offense and they must be taken by the players that should be taking them. To win a game like Pike played in prior years where we only made 4-5 threes a game required a superb defensive effort . We should not have another game this year making only 4-5 threes . We will unlikely get the back to back to back from Dylan but 1 or 2 at various times should be doable. Getting 2 from PJ and 2 fromAcuff was also tremendous as they were the ones we wanted shooting them. PJ actually missed another open one in the first half and I think he missed one from the corner in the second half. Ace missed his but Jeremiah hitting the buzzer beater was also great. The guys who were supposed to take the 3 , even if they missed , were the right shots.

Pike I think made a mistake against Ohio State in not playing PJ , as the entire defense was terrible and he got beat badly in the first half for a drive by layup . However , not playing him at all in the second half against Ohio State destroyed any chance of him hitting 1 to spark the team and get the lead Ohio state had 7-9 points , down to 4-6 points and if he hit 2 then you are talking 1 possession.game. As bad as we were against Ohio State it was 63-56 with just under 8 minutes left and there were 4 stops or turnovers by Ohio State and followed by 4 turnovers by us . A few threes might have sparked us and woke us out of our slumber and Ohio State who just blew a 12 point lead to Pittsburgh in their last home game with under 4 minutes to play , might have coughed up another.
Now not advocating shooting too many threes but making 7-11 on 16-20 attempts should be a goal every game as trying to win games making only 3-4 threes a game is becoming almost impossible. Not advocating just chucking up threes at random but within the course of our offense on kick outs and off second chance rebounds or in transition. We missed a number in transition in the early second half that could have blown the game wide open. We need a cushion to get a lead and to maintain one and the three ball has to be a part of it. Pike has to keep his 3 point shooters in the game with Dylan and ACE for a decent portion of the game.
Look at how difficult it was to hold onto the lead against Penn State making 0 threes in the second half.
Can’t play JMike at all! Definitely can not play the Jwill JMike Dercack with Ace and Dylan. Pike has used that lineup in multiple games.
That lineup is an opponents dream because they can double and triple Ace and Dylan with ZERO fear they will get beat by the “ shooters”. It’s coaching malfeasance by Pike.
Need the shooters on the floor and if the D is a concern we must spend a lot of time in the lab running that defense until we’re comfortable w it.
 
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