Saw an article that he's interviewing there. Might be using this to squeeze more cash out of UB, but looks like the Hurley window is closing a little bit.
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Bobby Hurley to DePaul?
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while its a bit better job than it was in the old Big East and they actually have a chance to move up a bit in the league, its still a bad job and he can do better by waiting a year unless he does not think next year will be all that great at Buffalo.
De Paul does have new facilities but the ceiling is not all that high there. Even if he took that job, RU can still snatch him up in the future if hey let EJ play out 5 years.
De Paul does have new facilities but the ceiling is not all that high there. Even if he took that job, RU can still snatch him up in the future if hey let EJ play out 5 years.
Let's be honest here Bac....Rutgers would only be a small upgrade over DePaul...only B1g vs. BE being the difference.
If Hurley went from Buffalo to DePaul then next move would be a top 20 school....perhaps Duke when Coach K retires.
If he turned DePaul around he'd be a VERY hot commodity.
If Hurley went from Buffalo to DePaul then next move would be a top 20 school....perhaps Duke when Coach K retires.
If he turned DePaul around he'd be a VERY hot commodity.
Like most young coaches at smaller programs...one normally has to make the move up when the iron is hot...and while Bobby doesn't have much Head Coaching experiences that most major programs would like to see (heck, he only has 3 years of asst coaching experience too), growing up in a Roman Catholic Family...attending the famous local Catholic HS where his Father coached...and maybe landing at a Catholic Univ as a Head Coach...its probably worth the gamble for DePaul to make.
DePaul may never become the program it once was...but with their new downtown arena opening up in 2 years...going for big $$$ at a place like DePaul might end up being a good move for BH.
I think you are moving a bit too fast with Hurley...he actually has a better chance of derailing his career at De Paul..and yes at RU too. I think RU is a bad job but the promise of Big 10 money in the future and that he is from NJ makes its a better choice long term.
I don't think Bobby Hurley would come to RU without a financial commitment by the School to improve the RAC and basketball facilities. Who can blame him for demanding such a commitment? Unfortunately, when it comes to everything but Football, Rutgers is operating on the cheap so I don't see Hurley coming here.
I'd love to see him come to SHU, but we are stuck with a big buy out for Willard. So that's probably not happening either.
I'd love to see him come to SHU, but we are stuck with a big buy out for Willard. So that's probably not happening either.
That's because there is always some hot flavor of the month around NCAA time. To me, I think Danny is the much safer bet right now. He's got a real body of work, having turned around two train wrecks, even though he has yet to make an NCAA. He has trended steadily upward every year since he was at Wagner, relative to his program.
Bobby has done what certainly appears to be a fine job at UB, and has an NCAA appearance to his credit. But he did take over a program in fine shape, one that had a down year the season before he got there, but had won 20 or more a number of times in the five prior seasons.
He may well turn out to be the better coach of the two, but I just think Danny has the more telling body of work at this time. Although I'm impressed by Bobby, he could just as easily be a flash in the pan, like Mike Rice (not flaming, I liked him a lot at RMU!), Bobby Gonzalez, Ralph Willard, Steve Donohue, or countless other coaches who rode low- or mid-major runs to the NCAA tournament to bigger jobs before flaming out.
That said, gun to my head, I think he'd going to be good.
With DePaul they are a hoops 1st school so they can pay him $2 mil + a year if he deserves it. In 3 more years Rutgers may be in a situation to pay $2.5-3mil a year for a coach but... will that be enough to lure Bobby away from a school like DePaul?
The advantage Rutgers has for Bobby is his NJ roots. If Rutgers doesn't make a commitment to upgrading facilities it won't matter who we get since we will become a stepping stone program for coaches to move to perennial top 20 schools.
Right now Eddie is our guy and we need to see what he can do over the next 2 years.
The advantage Rutgers has for Bobby is his NJ roots. If Rutgers doesn't make a commitment to upgrading facilities it won't matter who we get since we will become a stepping stone program for coaches to move to perennial top 20 schools.
Right now Eddie is our guy and we need to see what he can do over the next 2 years.
Bobby's predecessor (Reggie Witherspoon) at Buffalo didn't do too bad the four years before the 14-20 season that caused his
being let go.
His teams went ( starting the 2008-09 season) 21-12, 18-12, 20-13 & 19-9 (2011-12)
But those years didn't even get Buffalo NIT bids and had only 1 NIT & 0 NCAA bids to show for the 14 years he was Buffalo's HC.
Can't agree with that.
Reggie had enough time (14 years) to build a top MAC team and he really didn't do more than making Buffalo
a pretty good one.
No NCAA's and 1 NIT in those 14 years and 14-20 record his last season makes it hard for me to feel Buffalo should have stuck with him.
Baron had 7 wins his last year. ..ATROCIOUS....Zero count em zero NCAA appearance in 10 years...he was not hosed
Great example of how to lie with statistics. You left out the fact that Baron went 7-24 in his final season at Rhody and was under .500 in his 11 years there. Also never finished higher than tied for 2nd in the A10 and never made the NCAA's.
a good case can be made that he was lucky to last 11 years at Rhody, not that he got a raw deal getting canned.
in his recent 3 years at Canisius in the MAAC he has finished 5th, tied for 3rd and 5th again. His best player was his son who transferred into Canisius with him when he took the job. He's a good coach but is getting long in the tooth in today's MBB environment.
Who is manipulating statistics here? Two of his four first years at Rhode were 7-19 and 6-22 after taking Rhode to records of 19-12 and 20-14. And then after that he rebuilt Rhode a second time, averaging over 21 wins a year for FIVE years! He should have been invited to the Big Dance and certainly should never have been fired after one bad year. You also leave out that he took St. Francis of Pa, yes, St. Francis!! to the Big Dance AND St. Bonaventure to the Big Dance and now as an encore, two of the last three years he has won 20 games at Canisius. Good luck winning at St. Francis, St. Bonaventure and Canisius plus Rhode Island! Rhode was lucky to have him and not their finest moment. Excellent coach!
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What was his average record the previous five? FANTASTIC!
We have see how well the NCAA has treated what they errorneously believe are lesser conferences and when they do finally let one or two in, they create powerhouses! VCU, Wichita State ring a bell? Not more than a few years ago an esteemed bracketologist on this board mocked me and said Wichita State did not belong.. they have been proving that bracketologist wrong ever since. Rhode never got the chance.
actually that wasn't Wichita State, it was VCU the year they went on a run, a bizarre choice considering they had lost 8 of their last 12 coming into the tournament and this was when they played in the Colonial, I believed they got in over Colonial teams that finished better than them in the standings
Both Buffalo's and Rhode Island's coaches ( before the Hurleys) last year at their school gave those school's AD a reason
to let them go.
Despite some good years , the time that they had been HCs at those schools didn't show the program they were in charge of was becoming a power in their conference on a constant bases.
Baron's last 5 years RI was 9th,2nd,6th,7th &13th in the Atlantic 10
Witherspoon MAC conference standing was better: T-1st,T- 3rd, T-5th,2nd & 8th, but the time was right to pull the plug
after his 14-20 season, because of no NCAAs and 1 NIT 9 years before he was let go.
to let them go.
Despite some good years , the time that they had been HCs at those schools didn't show the program they were in charge of was becoming a power in their conference on a constant bases.
Baron's last 5 years RI was 9th,2nd,6th,7th &13th in the Atlantic 10
Witherspoon MAC conference standing was better: T-1st,T- 3rd, T-5th,2nd & 8th, but the time was right to pull the plug
after his 14-20 season, because of no NCAAs and 1 NIT 9 years before he was let go.
To be fair, you can't judge a coach at a MAC school and an Atlantic 10 school the same way. One is almost always a one-bid league, the other isn't.
If you HAVE to win the conference tournament, going a few years without getting a bid isn't nearly as big of a sin as in a league that often sends three or more teams to the dance.
Exactly! Witherspoon was even better than I thought! 1st place, 3rd place and 2nd place in three of his last five years and that gets you fired? That's a joke.
A10 was ignored for years. Sorry, but if you go 19-14, 21-12, 23-11, 26-10, 20 -14 and have one bad year you do not get fired.
A10 was ignored for years. Sorry, but if you go 19-14, 21-12, 23-11, 26-10, 20 -14 and have one bad year you do not get fired.
Baron coached in the A10 which is good for at least 3 bids a year, NO NCAA tourneys in 10 years and is last season, he won 7 count them 7 games in total, only 2 league wins.
This was my point earlier when I urged caution on Bobby Hurley. He may turn out to be a great coach, but I just don't think we know enough yet to anoint him one. He inherited a pretty solid program, and while he was the first to get them over that NCAA hump, UB was a pretty serious threat to win the MAC tournament many years under Witherspoon.
I just don't think his body of work is substantive enough for him to take a big step up just yet. Clearly, his name recognition is a factor, but people fall for this type of ascendant coach every spring, and they often turn up bust.
I don't see Top 20 programs making a run on Hurley as of now but for those at the bottom of the barrel, i.e. DePaul or even a Rutgers, they have nothing to lose.
Bottom line, Hurley has more college gravitas than Eddie Jordan (wouldn't guarantee success but RU Hoops would get 2-3 times the pub with a Hurley at the helm (any Hurley, especially in this state).
If Bobby really succeeds, he'd aspire to take over after K at Duke. Why hire a coach that will only stay if he is kind of successful but not too successful? Might make sense for DePaul, but not Rutgers.
To get the ball rolling.
I fully expect whoever turns the program around will leave for better places. Think Schiano. This person will be a candidate for the top NCAA job, most NBA teams, and possibly president of the US.
But how many years should a HC be given before he is expected to make one NCAA apperance.
Witherspoon was given around 14, with only 1 NIT and 3 buy your way in Tourneys to show for those 14 years.
Don't know how the Buffalo fans felt, but pretty sure they were tired of being a not good enough for NCAA program and wanted a change.
Low expectations would accept winning records, but no NCAAs,.
Wanting the thrill of the Dance would make fans want to replace a HC that seemed incapable of doing that even if he
had a good run in his W-L record.
Expectations is the name of the game for HCs and if you don't live up to your fans expectations, you boss might deside to find someone he thinks can do that and let you go.
If you are going to stick with some one that long and he goes 1st, 3rd and 2nd, in three of those last five years, It does give one pause and certainly helps the successor. Clearly worked out for them short term.
This post was edited on 3/26 12:58 PM by G- RUnit
This post was edited on 3/26 12:58 PM by G- RUnit
