There's more than one way to build a program. I've never been a big fan of the coach as rockstar approach. I just think that with thirteen seasons as a head coach under his belt, Schiano's not likely to be all that different in a second go around. In which case RU might be served better to go in another direction.
Bring back Schiano, please
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That's some SN revisionist history. He tried to hire NFL coaches and nobody bit so he brought the RU guys with him. Of course they went it was the NFL.
Name a big time program who won big (no one hit wonders) w/o a rock star coach and I'll name you 5 for each one with one. Oh I'm glad you are not a big or longtime time fan (perhaps Shea) of a rockstar coach(unless you are the late Bill Welsh)and prolly not a big time donor. Spelling on purpose
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Right now we are just trying to hit the reset button while our program circles the drain.
Schiano is the best guy for that task. Eff the next level for now and just get us respectable again.
As I pointed out, if you want to go the rockstar route, other schools in our division have much bigger rockstars.
Levaous Very well said. Right on point. Will get the media off our back and recruiting right on track. We are a shit show now. Worry about 2 years from now 2 years from now. Long term planning is out the window.
#'s thanks for helping lead the charge. The blood bath / blood letting has been overwhelming. We're all watching "As the Rutgers Turns"....and it sux.
GS as HC / AD may be the best / only solution for our program.
Imo GS doesn't come back here unless he has FULL control/ or someone close watching his back: e.g. Tim- and since that's not gonna happen, we have to look at the AD / HC as a unit. I believe it should be also noted that not only did GS put us on the map...we became the epicenter of the APR world (#1 at one point) under GS....and unfortunately nothing to date has matched our Nov. 2006 ESPN Thursday night comeback against unbeaten # 3 L'ville.
I agree with your post and hope the rest of the alums, fans and media lend support to make this a reality.
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JQ you're right. Offer Urban Meyer or JH in the off season and problem solved. Better yet, save money and offer up and coming Franklin and save a few bucks.
And if GS came back he would shitcan these ridiculous uniforms too!
Had to shoehorn some hate for the uni's into this thread.
Had to shoehorn some hate for the uni's into this thread.
In all honesty the uniforms do need to go. We need like a total rebranding away from this dumb knuckle dragging identity
Put me down for getting Greg back here...
I know personally he wanted Rutgers job. Every coach dreams to be in the NFL and he had a chance and went for it... Most don't get the chance.
Greg bleeds Rutgers... He wasn't in the the Big Ten... His Stadium , training facilities, coaches salaries were poor... Sure he eventually got paid at Rutgers but only when others were willing to pay him i.e.Michigan...
Love our defenses then.... Love our integrity, Love our APR's, He invented the block R and the classy uniforms... They were garbage before and are garbage now..
He can compete with Meyer (his Friend) and Harbaugh because he is a personality and he was an NFL coach. History says it wasn't Greg so much as Tampa.. See results since he left...
This would straighten everything and get us respect in the Big 10... We need it.
I know personally he wanted Rutgers job. Every coach dreams to be in the NFL and he had a chance and went for it... Most don't get the chance.
Greg bleeds Rutgers... He wasn't in the the Big Ten... His Stadium , training facilities, coaches salaries were poor... Sure he eventually got paid at Rutgers but only when others were willing to pay him i.e.Michigan...
Love our defenses then.... Love our integrity, Love our APR's, He invented the block R and the classy uniforms... They were garbage before and are garbage now..
He can compete with Meyer (his Friend) and Harbaugh because he is a personality and he was an NFL coach. History says it wasn't Greg so much as Tampa.. See results since he left...
This would straighten everything and get us respect in the Big 10... We need it.
At least someone here gets it.
There is no way in hell GS comes back with JH as AD. That will never ever happen.
We need fresh blood. If your 2nd wife is not working out, you don't try to remarry your 1st wife.
Some real knee jerk responses here. People ready to throw in the towel on Flood before we know the details of what happened after the game. We don't know exactly what happened after a bitter loss at home but we know that our HC is to blame and that he needs to be out the door immediately. But if we won the game would the same people want Flood fired ? Definitely not, IMO.
Never thought this board would go into full meltdown mode after our first loss of the season, but here we are.
Of course Greg Schiano is the solution to whatever ails RU FB. Everyone loves a savior, right ? Greg is a guy who did a great job rebuilding the program from ashes when he took the job in 2000, eventually getting the program into the Top 25 at the end of the 2006 season. But after 2006 what did he accomplish ? And that was almost ten years ago.
It makes me chuckle to read that people want to hit the Reset button and forget about getting the program to the next level. Because if Greg comes back we can forget about getting to the next level. He's proven that he can't do that in college or the NFL. But if we want to be respectable on the field then maybe Greg can do that.
I prefer to take a longer term view and let the dust settle on what happened after the WSU game. We have the rest of this season to evaluate our options for the HC position. No need to push the panic button now. Root for your team and make the right decision at the appropriate time. That time is not right now.
With new dollars coming when RU gets full cut of Big Ten distribution, money won't be a problem. Not having the cajones to stop the bleeding is the problem.
I'm not big on Schiano because I don't think he'll push us to the next level. People, including myself, have stated reasons in the past so I'd prefer not to get into it.
However, with regards to personality and micromanaging etc..being a good thing. I'm not as sure as you guys. The pendulum was far in one direction when Schiano was here and then of course as usually happens the pendulum swings hard back past the midpoint and maybe too far in the other direction with Flood. I'd want to avoid swinging back again too far past the midpoint in the other direction.
On its surface it seems like a good idea.to bring in someone with a very firm hand to take control after some of the recent incidents and to some degree it makes sense and an instinctive reaction. But you know there's a double edged sword there which I think some are missing. Social media/twitter and all that weren't that big or just taking off in Schiano's first 10 year go around here. We know how the NFL players felt about him and even some of our own here thought he was a big pain in the ass. With today's world how likely is it for someone of Schiano's personality to be pegged by today's kind of player for charges of "abuse" whether they be false or not, I mean just look at Cohen. This is not just Schiano, this is for any coach who may be a little too dictatorial in their ways.
As to the has he changed thing. Well my feeling is more an observation of human nature not specific to Schiano. The SI piece was nice but I just take that as PR. To me most people personality wise are who they are when the reach a certain age. There might be a little bit of evolution but by and large you are who you are after certain point. Is Pete Carroll suddenly going to stop being that happy go lucky type and turn stern? Is Bellichick/Parcells going to be all smiles and daisies? They are who they are and have been all along. So I can't say Schiano will change much from who he is, that's just who he is like most of us.
And frankly even if there was change, to me in times of stress most revert back to what feels familiar and comfortable. So say the offense struggles or we have a bad losing streak or bad year then how would he likely react. Would he stay the course or do what feels comfortable and familiar to him? I mean just look at this thread. In our time of stress now, how many "I can't believe I'm saying this," "I didn't really want him but maybe it's a good idea," etc.. posts are there. In a time of "stress" people are reverting to what's familiar and comfortable and that's not always the best course of action.
However, with regards to personality and micromanaging etc..being a good thing. I'm not as sure as you guys. The pendulum was far in one direction when Schiano was here and then of course as usually happens the pendulum swings hard back past the midpoint and maybe too far in the other direction with Flood. I'd want to avoid swinging back again too far past the midpoint in the other direction.
On its surface it seems like a good idea.to bring in someone with a very firm hand to take control after some of the recent incidents and to some degree it makes sense and an instinctive reaction. But you know there's a double edged sword there which I think some are missing. Social media/twitter and all that weren't that big or just taking off in Schiano's first 10 year go around here. We know how the NFL players felt about him and even some of our own here thought he was a big pain in the ass. With today's world how likely is it for someone of Schiano's personality to be pegged by today's kind of player for charges of "abuse" whether they be false or not, I mean just look at Cohen. This is not just Schiano, this is for any coach who may be a little too dictatorial in their ways.
As to the has he changed thing. Well my feeling is more an observation of human nature not specific to Schiano. The SI piece was nice but I just take that as PR. To me most people personality wise are who they are when the reach a certain age. There might be a little bit of evolution but by and large you are who you are after certain point. Is Pete Carroll suddenly going to stop being that happy go lucky type and turn stern? Is Bellichick/Parcells going to be all smiles and daisies? They are who they are and have been all along. So I can't say Schiano will change much from who he is, that's just who he is like most of us.
And frankly even if there was change, to me in times of stress most revert back to what feels familiar and comfortable. So say the offense struggles or we have a bad losing streak or bad year then how would he likely react. Would he stay the course or do what feels comfortable and familiar to him? I mean just look at this thread. In our time of stress now, how many "I can't believe I'm saying this," "I didn't really want him but maybe it's a good idea," etc.. posts are there. In a time of "stress" people are reverting to what's familiar and comfortable and that's not always the best course of action.
"We know how the NFL players felt about him and even some of our own here thought he was a big pain in the ass."
Do you realize how silly that sounds! Problem we would all love to have.
It doesn't sound silly at all. You're viewing it in the prism of he'll stop anyone from getting in trouble. Well first of all I don't agree with that premise because he's not god and he can't control the behavior of every single person who comes through year after year no matter how micromanaging he is. He's human like everyone else and there's only so much he can do and there are no guarantees.
And then you're also missing the prism of looking through today's social media world and "softer" culture where the slightest thing suddenly becomes "abuse" where charges are more likely to be leveled against a person that is not well liked or too dictatorial.
I wasn't a huge fan of Greg's gameday coaching and adjustments. He did usually have good defenses, when they didn't roll over (UNC & MD 07, WVU all-time, Cincy 08, etc). And he really needed a good staff (Hafley & Angelichio) to step up his recruiting. Having said all that, after reading that ESPN piece about him learning while out of work, I believe he's a better coach now than when he left, and definitely better than Fudd, so I'd take him back.
If you want to win the national championship, it's very debatable whether GS is the guy to do it.
But if you want to become proud of Rutgers again, then GS is most definitely the guy you want here.
But if you want to become proud of Rutgers again, then GS is most definitely the guy you want here.
If Flood gets canned this month, I see GS coming back on an interim basis on a one-season contract unless he likes being a talking head on ESPN and wants to watch his kids play ball in Tampa more than he wants his old job back. It's a good opportunity for both GS and the school to see if GS 2.0 over the long term can work out. I do find it telling that GS hasn't coached since Tampa Bay. Is no one calling or has he rejected offers like DC jobs in the NFL or a Power 5 school?
But here's a question: Is there a coach on the staff outside of Fridge who can helm this team for the rest of the season and beyond? I doubt it. Can they make Fridge come back full time?
But here's a question: Is there a coach on the staff outside of Fridge who can helm this team for the rest of the season and beyond? I doubt it. Can they make Fridge come back full time?
He may not need to work but does he want to coach? Coaching is his craft. If it's in his blood and wants to coach again, he will come back. Where he lands is the question.
Sure he can return to coaching, but I believe he has to forfeit the $3 million per year Tampa money. It would have to be 1) a job he really wants and 2) financially make up for losing the Tampa money.
I was never embarrassed of our program when GS was here. If what hits today is as bad as what I fear, I will be. Besides my belief that he has learned from his NFL experience in terms of coaching, I believe he would restore order and quickly. I'd welcome Greg back in a heartbeat over this clown show.
That I did not know. That is a big pile of cash for RU to come up with for a season.
Are you sure? Maybe it's one of those deals where TB just has to make up any difference between $3M and his new coaching salary and GS gets his $3M regardless. Couldn't find any evidence either way when I tried to Google it.
Thanks for all the likes (mostly, lol). Look, I know we need to let the details of the Carroo incident play out first and I know there may be real obstacles to hiring Greg back (what does Julie want? Does Greg want to come back? etc.), but my post was all about what I would like to see if I were all powerful and in charge of everything Rutgers (I'm not, lol).
I had mentioned the SI interview from last year and how Greg at least appears to have learned a lot of lessons from his time at Rutgers and, moreso probably, Tampa Bay, so I thought I'd post an excerpt from the interview, below, which talks about some of that. I also thought Thamel did a very nice job highlighting all that Schiano accomplished and included that, too, since a few people in this thread are so dismissive of his accomplishments at RU. Nobody can know for sure if we'd see a "new and improved" version of GS in a 2nd tour of duty, but I'd like to take that chance.
Schiano did just that, reaching six bowl games at a place that only went to one in its entire history. He went 56-33 his final seven years, a record that could go a long way toward convincing athletic directors he can mirror the career paths of Carroll, Saban and South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier, all of whom thrived in college programs after struggles in the NFL. The knock on Schiano’s tenure at Rutgers is that he never won an outright Big East title, something Schiano says makes him feel like “the Marv Levy of college football” for coming close so many times. Still, aside from Frank Beamer at Virginia Tech and Bill Snyder at Kansas State, few coaches have pulled off more impressive reputational overhauls than Schiano did for Rutgers in the 2000s.
He built Rutgers—through improvements on the field and in facilities overhauls—from a laughingstock into a program established enough to earn a coveted spot in the Big Ten. “Real success is leaving a legacy,” he says. “I think we built something, left a legacy and that can be sustained.”
Schiano has done plenty of work to ready himself for a return to college football. He keeps binders filled with DVDs of all his team meetings from the NFL, watching them to take notes on what he would add to his presentations, which he considers the equivalent of Football 101. He has also conducted a recruiting study to identify what geographic areas NFL draft picks hail from (short answer: Florida, California and Texas) to help refine his recruiting focus upon his return. He hosted former Kansas and Notre Dame recruiting coordinator Rob Ianello to catch up on what he has missed on the recruiting trail. He even joined Twitter under a secret account to keep up on news and better understand how recruits and media consume information. (Schiano insists he does not follow the Bucs, who are off to a 1-7 start this season, on Twitter or otherwise. Nor does he follow Freeman, who is out of football.)
But Schiano’s most important research came on himself, as he realized that his greatest strength at Rutgers—relentless tunnel vision—became something of a weakness when it came to dealing with coaches, staff and media. If he returns to college, Schiano hopes to find a better balance. “I think as a head coach, you have to hold people accountable,” he says. “But at the same time, how can I make it easier or better for them to get their job done?”
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off
I had mentioned the SI interview from last year and how Greg at least appears to have learned a lot of lessons from his time at Rutgers and, moreso probably, Tampa Bay, so I thought I'd post an excerpt from the interview, below, which talks about some of that. I also thought Thamel did a very nice job highlighting all that Schiano accomplished and included that, too, since a few people in this thread are so dismissive of his accomplishments at RU. Nobody can know for sure if we'd see a "new and improved" version of GS in a 2nd tour of duty, but I'd like to take that chance.
Schiano did just that, reaching six bowl games at a place that only went to one in its entire history. He went 56-33 his final seven years, a record that could go a long way toward convincing athletic directors he can mirror the career paths of Carroll, Saban and South Carolina’s Steve Spurrier, all of whom thrived in college programs after struggles in the NFL. The knock on Schiano’s tenure at Rutgers is that he never won an outright Big East title, something Schiano says makes him feel like “the Marv Levy of college football” for coming close so many times. Still, aside from Frank Beamer at Virginia Tech and Bill Snyder at Kansas State, few coaches have pulled off more impressive reputational overhauls than Schiano did for Rutgers in the 2000s.
He built Rutgers—through improvements on the field and in facilities overhauls—from a laughingstock into a program established enough to earn a coveted spot in the Big Ten. “Real success is leaving a legacy,” he says. “I think we built something, left a legacy and that can be sustained.”
Schiano has done plenty of work to ready himself for a return to college football. He keeps binders filled with DVDs of all his team meetings from the NFL, watching them to take notes on what he would add to his presentations, which he considers the equivalent of Football 101. He has also conducted a recruiting study to identify what geographic areas NFL draft picks hail from (short answer: Florida, California and Texas) to help refine his recruiting focus upon his return. He hosted former Kansas and Notre Dame recruiting coordinator Rob Ianello to catch up on what he has missed on the recruiting trail. He even joined Twitter under a secret account to keep up on news and better understand how recruits and media consume information. (Schiano insists he does not follow the Bucs, who are off to a 1-7 start this season, on Twitter or otherwise. Nor does he follow Freeman, who is out of football.)
But Schiano’s most important research came on himself, as he realized that his greatest strength at Rutgers—relentless tunnel vision—became something of a weakness when it came to dealing with coaches, staff and media. If he returns to college, Schiano hopes to find a better balance. “I think as a head coach, you have to hold people accountable,” he says. “But at the same time, how can I make it easier or better for them to get their job done?”
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/11/04/nfl-greg-schiano-year-off
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HUGE Schiano fan here who has never thought that Flood would get it done.
Flood has failed Rutgers for the last time with this latest mistake - "He's as clumsy as he is stupid."
Now, like Lord Vader - lets terminate Flood and place Greg back into CONTROL of this program!
Flood has failed Rutgers for the last time with this latest mistake - "He's as clumsy as he is stupid."
Now, like Lord Vader - lets terminate Flood and place Greg back into CONTROL of this program!
Yep, the joys and pains of being an RU football are something we all have in common and I'm a firm believer that 99.9% of us would all get along great at a tailgate (and have in the past, especially when we had the Rutgersfan tailgates back in the late Shea/early Schiano years). I've had more than a few heated battles on the board with 4Real and dtn (when he was still around - hope he can make it back) over the years and at the Orlando bowl pre-game party we shared a few beers and a few laughs, as fellow RU fans and human beings (well, not quite sure dtn qualifies on that count, lol - and he's not even here to defend himself, heh-heh).
With regard to amping things up, I do the same thing once in awhile, but not to your level, lol - you're like my son that way - he loves being an instigator, especially on-line. Goddamn trolls. :>)
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Let's see, Kansas State, NC State and Iowa State -- three P5 conference teams, you know the kind of OOC games people said he avoided and couldn't win.
You can only play who you have in a bowl game. I believe he only lost the first one, right? Considering both teams generally have a decent amount of prep time for a bowl game (or at least more than a general OOC game) and only one game was close to RU (Yankee Stadium game) his teams beat the other on a relatively even playing field.
GS helped the players make grades, stay out of trouble and get NFL contracts... while winning bowl games.
No way we should want him back.. right?
No way we should want him back.. right?
Holy crap I never thought I'd see this.
Have to agree. I don't see how Schiano would fit in with Barchi and Julie though. He had carte blanche when he was here before.
"I was never embarrassed of our program when GS was here."
That's how I feel too. People can complain about the lack of championships (although I disagree about winning the Big East being as easy as they make it out to be) but the program went from being an embarrassment to respectable -- and the way GS and the school handled the Legrand situation earned props across the board.
I still doubt GS is ever coming back, but he helped get RU into the Big Ten and I think he would do well recruiting in the Big Ten. If he could sell the Big East while it was falling apart, he can sell the Big Ten imo.
That's how I feel too. People can complain about the lack of championships (although I disagree about winning the Big East being as easy as they make it out to be) but the program went from being an embarrassment to respectable -- and the way GS and the school handled the Legrand situation earned props across the board.
I still doubt GS is ever coming back, but he helped get RU into the Big Ten and I think he would do well recruiting in the Big Ten. If he could sell the Big East while it was falling apart, he can sell the Big Ten imo.
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I'm not 100% there (yet) but my mind is definitely heading in that direction.
I can't believe the number of people who want to bring back a .500 coach who walked out on us and left us holding a hundred million dollar bag. I thank him for all he did for Rutgers, but you don't ever let that back into your program, not if your program has any self-respect.
If Townsend makes that last catch 06 or KB in 08 is GS all of a sudden a better coach? Dumb argument.
GS will restore integrity to this program, he is exactly what we need and I hope that is what the BOG is working towards.
GS will restore integrity to this program, he is exactly what we need and I hope that is what the BOG is working towards.
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