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Building year for basketball because there is no Money

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Sometimes in order to go forward, you have to take a dramatic step back. Such will be the case for Rutgers Basketball, this year, who will be hard pressed to duplicate last years 15 Win effort. 10-13 Wins seem likely and I have been having nightmares of fewer than 10 wins. Need to pack the OOC Schedule with tomato cans, so we can at least get to double digit wins, because wins are going to be difficult to come by during the conference schedule. This is not the time to be adventurous in scheduling.

We are replacing two lottery picks with freshmen, who don’t have the same upside. Last years Freshman Center Will be replaced with a Freshman Center for this year, as we don’t appear to have the money to get a transfer Center, who are going for well over $1M in the portal. Hopefully he can play better defense.

The lack of settlement in the NCAA Court case continues to hinder our recruiting, as we won’t able to hand out concrete offers until the settlement is finalized. Instead we likely talk about dollars in the abstract, contingent on a finalized settlement. In contrast a school like Maryland had NIL Cash Money, so they filled out their basketball roster quite quickly. Having an established coach who brought along transfers helped them immensely in this regard.

So in typical Rutgers fashion, we will do our best, with what we have, so things likely won’t end well, unless players take huge steps in their development, which is frankly, unlikely.

What we need to get out of this year, is to develop our new foundational players, who will pave the way for our future success.

PG - Angelino Mark : has the biggest upside of the players we’re bringing in. He can handle the ball and shoot the 3. We need him to eventually claw his way to PG1, and have a double digit scoring impact, because the players in front of him, aren’t likely to be very good. I see him as eventually having a Geo Baker type impact

SF - Chris Nwuli - poor man’s Ace Bailey. Averaged 10.3 pts for the Nations #2 High School Team after transferring. Combined with his teammates to lead their team to the National High School Finals.

As for the rest, I really don’t know what to expect. Buchanan and Francis are complete wildcards, and I’m not even sure they belong on this level, but we have no other choice, so I’m taking a wait and see approach. Dylan Grant seems to have the biggest upside, but we’ll need him to significantly raise his 5.9 ppg scoring average for us to be decent. Ogbole plays with great effort, but will be overmatched most games. Jamichael Davis has shown flashes of brilliance, but it remains to be seen how much he can improve.

Overall, this year looks like a trainwreck waiting to happen. The lack of NIL Resources hindered our talent acquisition, so we are going to try to do more, with a lot less. As a fan, we always hope for the best, but right now, things aren’t looking good.

This year is a Building year because we are building for our future success. Supposedly we are going back to our defensive style. As long as we can do that, play with upgraded defensive effort, and show some promise for future years, then we should be in decent shape. Key will be holding on to the players we develop this year.
 
People have to pony up more money next year, than they did this year. Otherwise we’re in a never ending cycle of replacing players we’ve prematurely lost.
Stop stop stop. You use Maryland as an example. They have a whale. Their people don’t pony up more. The average Joe is paying for his family, buying tickets and gives what he can. For what. A lousy product. The on the court product has greatly underachieved for a couple years. Why would people want to give more than they can afford just to watch it burn.

The good question above is why does Schiano have money. It’s not from “ponying” up more. He goes out and finds it from mini whales not even associated with RU.

Next year isn’t a building year or even a transition year, it’s the sign of things to come. Especially with a coach who doesn’t require accountability any more, who doesn’t find his own NiL and blames the old AD, and who had talent and couldn’t get them to even inbound a ball on the court when they needed to last year.

I can’t believe I renewed my season tickets.
 
Stop stop stop. You use Maryland as an example. They have a whale. Their people don’t pony up more. The average Joe is paying for his family, buying tickets and gives what he can. For what. A lousy product. The on the court product has greatly underachieved for a couple years. Why would people want to give more than they can afford just to watch it burn.

The good question above is why does Schiano have money. It’s not from “ponying” up more. He goes out and finds it from mini whales not even associated with RU.

Next year isn’t a building year or even a transition year, it’s the sign of things to come. Especially with a coach who doesn’t require accountability any more, who doesn’t find his own NiL and blames the old AD, and who had talent and couldn’t get them to even inbound a ball on the court when they needed to last year.

I can’t believe I renewed my season tickets.
That isn’t true. Maryland Alumni Give. In their recent giving day event, 686 donors gave
609,197. An average of 888 per donor.

 
How does Schiano have money to get players and Pike doesn’t?
Because Maryland is a basketball school, and Rutgers is a football school. This is the reality.

I went to Maryland bball against NW and their atmosphere is best in class for bball. Also went to their senior day in football (against us) and it was MAC-level crowd and atmosphere.
 
How does Schiano have money to get players and Pike doesn’t?
Schiano finds the right people, he is a good salesman and engages/interacts with high level donors on a personal level, among others. He works hard at it and the results seem to be paying off. Pike? He doesn't seem to be following Schiano's lead and is falling further behind the 8-ball.
 
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Also every school is proceeding as the settlement is final so Rutgers is no different. I believe Richie said this already
We’re doing the same. But having tangible dollars to offer vs contingent dollars based on a settlement puts us in an unfavorable position relative to the competition. Everyone would understandably take the sure thing, given a choice.
 
Al is insufferable. REPETITIVE TOPIC

There is no such thing as building. Any player that is decent will leave for the highest bag. Every year is a new year.
We are building because people won’t donate. We have to do our best to keep people we develop.
 
How does Schiano have money to get players and Pike doesn’t?
Schiano is getting players who are fully developed and mature and whose ability to perform, can scale to the Big Ten. At least that has been the case a lot of the time. Though we will have some duds from time to time.

Most of the guys Pike is getting have already maxed out their talent and haven’t been able to contribute much in the Big Ten. Dercack, Acuff, Hayes, and Martini are notable examples. Cam
Spencer was the notable exception.
 
It wouldn't be building it could be deferring the spending so we have 2 years of money to spend in one of that is possible.

Sorry Rutgersal.....this is 2025 any freshman that is part of a building process that is decent has a very good chance of leaving.
Yeah, I was thinking this as well, don't spend anything except to retain the players you want to keep and save what's left for next year. Hopefully you get a little more to play with next year and you try to keep the guys you like again and maybe a high impact transfer or two..compound the nil fund as the years go by . Maybe they need to put the nil fund with a hedge fund or some type of fund or hire a money manager to flip that a couple of times lol
 
Yeah, I was thinking this as well, don't spend anything except to retain the players you want to keep and save what's left for next year. Hopefully you get a little more to play with next year and you try to keep the guys you like again and maybe a high impact transfer or two..compound the nil fund as the years go by . Maybe they need to put the nil fund with a hedge fund or some type of fund or hire a money manager to flip that a couple of times lol
We are at a big disadvantage even to retain our own players. If we give our coach the support he needs to be successful, we will win our share of games
 
It is the dumbest take I have seen in a while from the guy who's brand is dumb takes
I'm trying to understand what's dumb about his take? Honest question, what do you guys think he's wrong about? There not being enough nil money? Or that the transfers Rutgers is bringing in might not be big ten level?
It is the dumbest take I have seen in a while from the guy who's brand is dumb takes
Lol geez, kind of harsh...he's pretty much right as far as building the foundation of what pike is going to do as far as roster construction and NIL going forward...this guy triggers a lot of you for some reason, nothing in his op warrants this response...
 
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We have lost literally every impact player on our team to the portal (or now NBA draft) since NIL era began. I don't understand how we "develop" when we don't have the capacity to retain. And this is before we even get into this coach staff's ability to develop in the first place
We developed our Center well enough to be poached by Washington. We developed Cliff so he could be poached by Alabama. Cam Spencer got poached by UConn. What we need to be able to do is keep the players we’ve developed. We’re the Pittsburgh Pirates of College Basketball. The farm team for other schools. That will only be stopped with adequate NIL support.
 
We are at a big disadvantage even to retain our own players. If we give our coach the support he needs to be successful, we will win our share of games
Is Rutgers doing that? From what I understand, you wrote that Alabama's collective is set up in a way that allows donors to get tax deductions while saying Rutgers is doing it the right way by not allowing big donors to do this?? Seems like pike is at a disadvantage in terms of raising money..
 
Yeah, I was thinking this as well, don't spend anything except to retain the players you want to keep and save what's left for next year. Hopefully you get a little more to play with next year and you try to keep the guys you like again and maybe a high impact transfer or two..compound the nil fund as the years go by . Maybe they need to put the nil fund with a hedge fund or some type of fund or hire a money manager to flip that a couple of times lol
oh dear....
 
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Because Maryland is a basketball school, and Rutgers is a football school. This is the reality.

I went to Maryland bball against NW and their atmosphere is best in class for bball. Also went to their senior day in football (against us) and it was MAC-level crowd and atmosphere.
that sounds very funny to say were a football school and they are a basketball school this was the first season since 2015 that we finished with a better record in football

maybe we are a neither school in the current climate
 
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Because Maryland is a basketball school, and Rutgers is a football school. This is the reality.

I went to Maryland bball against NW and their atmosphere is best in class for bball. Also went to their senior day in football (against us) and it was MAC-level crowd and atmosphere.
We’re not really a football school either as last year was our ceiling in football. We suck at both sports.
 
That isn’t true. Maryland Alumni Give. In their recent giving day event, 686 donors gave
609,197. An average of 888 per donor.

Rutgers giving two day raised under $800K in total. Maryland was $5.3M. Its a school problem.
 
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We developed our Center well enough to be poached by Washington. We developed Cliff so he could be poached by Alabama. Cam Spencer got poached by UConn. What we need to be able to do is keep the players we’ve developed. We’re the Pittsburgh Pirates of College Basketball. The farm team for other schools. That will only be stopped with adequate NIL support.
None of those players were developed here. They didn’t improve in their time here. We were just a showcase for their talents. That’s different than developing.
 
The Maryland numbers don't tell the full picture although their total is impressive. What % of that $609k (which is not enough for a single top 20 portal player, from the sound of things) came from their top 5-10 donors, and what was the average donation of the average fan?

I'm not earmarking $1000s a year for the school to spend on year-to-year rentals via NIL. I'll make my donations to charitable causes. If that means RU cannot keep/lure top-rated portal talent, so be it. I guess that makes me part of the problem.
 
It's been widely reported we have $5M, yet we currently don't have one player on this roster who would start or play major minutes on any other team in the conference. It's time to stop just saying we don't have money.

Also, Chris Nwuli is closer in style/talent to Mawot Mag than Ace Bailey.
 
Is Rutgers doing that? From what I understand, you wrote that Alabama's collective is set up in a way that allows donors to get tax deductions while saying Rutgers is doing it the right way by not allowing big donors to do this?? Seems like pike is at a disadvantage in terms of raising money..
Yes, he is, making it further difficult.
 
It's been widely reported we have $5M, yet we currently don't have one player on this roster who would start or play major minutes on any other team in the conference. It's time to stop just saying we don't have money.

Also, Chris Nwuli is closer in style/talent to Mawot Mag than Ace Bailey.
We don’t have $5M until the settlement is finalized.
 
The Maryland numbers don't tell the full picture although their total is impressive. What % of that $609k (which is not enough for a single top 20 portal player, from the sound of things) came from their top 5-10 donors, and what was the average donation of the average fan?

I'm not earmarking $1000s a year for the school to spend on year-to-year rentals via NIL. I'll make my donations to charitable causes. If that means RU cannot keep/lure top-rated portal talent, so be it. I guess that makes me part of the problem.
Earmark what you can to the RFund for infrastructure
 
It's been widely reported we have $5M, yet we currently don't have one player on this roster who would start or play major minutes on any other team in the conference. It's time to stop just saying we don't have money.

Also, Chris Nwuli is closer in style/talent to Mawot Mag than Ace Bailey.
and 4ish of that is from the revenue share which just about everyone else will be getting in the p4 schools which really does nothing to shrink the gap just gives us a little edge over some mid majors competing for same players
 
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