By the numbers this season is most like...

[brgossRU90]

...1998, Terry Shea's "good year":

Sagarin Rank
1998: 81
2015: 89

Sagarin SOS
1998: 53
2015: 31

Total Offense
1998: 78
2015: 72

Total Defense
1998: 94
2015: 111

Also:
--2015 so far is the lowest ranked defense since at least 1989

Will Flood get Coach of the Year from our Big Ten brethren to help insure he stays at the helm?

 

[LevaosLectures]

Dear God

 

[Section124]

...1998, Terry Shea's "good year":

Sagarin Rank
1998: 81
2015: 89

Sagarin SOS
1998: 53
2015: 31

Total Offense
1998: 78
2015: 72

Total Defense
1998: 94
2015: 111

Also:
--2015 so far is the lowest ranked defense since at least 1989

Will Flood get Coach of the Year from our Big Ten brethren to help insure he stays at the helm?

For those of us that experienced those years, we don't need that pain again. Terry may have been a good guy, but I almost gave up my tickets in 1997. I have never considered that since then.

 

[LadyRU09]

As long as it doesn't equal Terry's worst year...

 

[slyker]

"
By the numbers this season is most like...
...1998, Terry Shea's "good year":

Will Flood get Coach of the Year from our Big Ten brethren to help insure he stays at the helm?[/QUOTE]


You joke.. but if you take a realistic look at RU this year, the on the field results this season so far are very similar to last years 8-5 bowl winning team.

Comparison of last year to this year. Inserted comparable games where direct comparison is unavailable


Norfolk State in 15 / Howard in 14 - Big Win both years SIMILAR RESULT
Wash State - Game was down to the wire in both 14 & 15 SIMILAR RESULT
Penn State - Close in 14- convincing loss in 15 Worse outcome
Kansas in 15, Navy in 14 - Strong wins SIMILAR RESULT
Mich State Down to the wire in 15, Blown out in 14 BETTER outcome
Indiana - Road Win in 15, Home win in 14 SIMILAR RESULT
Ohio State - Beaten badly both years SIMILAR RESULT
Wisconsin - Beaten badly both years SIMILAR RESULT


Bottom line is that in 6 of our games this year the play on the field has been basically the same. In one game we fared much better, and in one game it was worse. So basically team is performing pretty much the same as last year. Not sure how any one can argue that. And replacing a 4 year starting QB with a new QB,,, makes this even more palatable.

And dont tell me we should be able to get a new QB up to speed and perform well enough to improve in the next year. If that was true you would think a perennial top ten team with their top 20 recruiting classes and roster full of talent should easily be able to bring in a new QB and not miss a beat. Well I know of jjust such a team that was in the national championship game last year and this year has lost to two of the same teams that Rutgers has lost to but almost the same margin of defeat.

This season Oregon is 4-3 and in their results in two opponents common with Rutgers:

Michigan State - Lost by 3
Washington State - Lost by 7

And RU's results against the same two teams:

Michigan State - Lost by 7
Washington State - Lost by 3


So Oregon is unable to groom a new QB to help all that returning talent get better results than Rutgers in their two common opponents ?

What happened... but so many posters on this board have said a new QB should be up to speed in a few games... and especially should be the case with a team that played in the National Championship game. And with results the same as Rutgers ?

 

[cRURah]

slyker -You fail to mention that Oregon is replacing their QB who won the Heisman. Not even close to a fair comparison since RU is replacing Nova who was not even close to winning any accolades.

 

[slyker]

slyker -You fail to mention that Oregon is replacing their QB who won the Heisman. Not even close to a fair comparison since RU is replacing Nova who was not even close to winning any accolades.

Yes.... but this is a team that had the talent on the rest of the team to be in the NCS game... with perennial top 20 recruiting classes... and you mean to tell me they could not groom a QB quick enough to compete at a level that would at least be better than Rutgers and how they have fared against their 2 common opponents? That same RU team with our Big East and AAC recruiting classes that comprise most of the current team. Or perhaps it does take a bit more to groom a QB than all the board geniuses expect it to happen.

 

[lighty]

slyker, Oregon is 5-3 in 2nd place in their division and 3-2 in conference play. All better numbers than we have.

Plus, it's not the QB that's the problem. They are averaging over 40 points a game. So yeah, they were able to take a raw QB and find success. Their problem is one of the worst defenses they've ever had. Read the link below and maybe try to find a better comparison to keep throwing out there.

http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/...eak-a-record-it-doesnt-want-to-break.html.csp

 

[slyker]

slyker -You fail to mention that Oregon is replacing their QB who won the Heisman. Not even close to a fair comparison since RU is replacing Nova who was not even close to winning any accolades.

If you dont like a comparison with a Heisman winner... how about a couple examples of teams and senior graduating QB's similar in talent to RU and Nova.

Garret Greyson at Colorado State graduated after 2014

CSU was 7-3 in 2014, only 3-5 so far in 2015

Sean Mannion of Oregon State graduated after 2014

OSU was 5-7 in 2014, only 2-6 so far in 2015


Lots more examples... but tried to remember a few seniors that were fairly good,,, but not 1st round picks and what their replacements have meant to those teams.

 

[slyker]

slyker, Oregon is 5-3 in 2nd place in their division and 3-2 in conference play. All better numbers than we have.

Plus, it's not the QB that's the problem. They are averaging over 40 points a game. So yeah, they were able to take a raw QB and find success. Their problem is one of the worst defenses they've ever had. Read the link below and maybe try to find a better comparison to keep throwing out there.

http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/...eak-a-record-it-doesnt-want-to-break.html.csp

Sounds exactly like Rutgers.... Defense is much worse than last year ... but we are playing at basically the same level... Seems to me Oregon was undefeated at this time last year and they are well below that. Why cant the new QB be groomed to perform in only one year. Everyone keep telling me that.

 

[beaced]

A lot of talking and stats are posted on these boards. I would rather be discussing WINS.To do that we have to WIN. ALL the rest is specious.W & W.:sunglasses:

 

[slyker]

slyker -You fail to mention that Oregon is replacing their QB who won the Heisman. Not even close to a fair comparison since RU is replacing Nova who was not even close to winning any accolades.

The other examples I cited were drafted QB's.... how about someone even more similar to Nova and RU

How about Shane Carden at East Carolina... pretty good QB at ECU.. was talked about as being a possible draft pick, but like Nova he was not drafted. also led his team to an 8-5 record in 2014 and played well against an SEC team (Florida) in a close bowl loss. They are 4-5 this year.

Why cant they groom a QB to have that team at the same level as this year? Should be able to happen right away? Or at least by now... I keep getting told this. I hear that their backup QB is better than their starter too and their coaches suck for not playing him.

 

[Duff366]

Slyker,

Do you consider Oregon's averaging 42 points per game on offense struggling? If that is struggling, I wish RU struggled like that.

 

[rutgersdave]

Yes.... but this is a team that had the talent on the rest of the team to be in the NCS game... with perennial top 20 recruiting classes... and you mean to tell me they could not groom a QB quick enough to compete at a level that would at least be better than Rutgers and how they have fared against their 2 common opponents? That same RU team with our Big East and AAC recruiting classes that comprise most of the current team. Or perhaps it does take a bit more to groom a QB than all the board geniuses expect it to happen.

Many on this board underestimated Nova and he was not a below average QB. He was better than average with a few bad games. Many of our optimistic fans assumed we had the QB but I knew better. Rettig and Laviano are not the answer. Hopefully, the next one is. There is no real need for grooming since there are many teams where the true freshman is the starter and does great. Harbough has 2 4 stars QB in each of his recruiting class because he can't even tell who will perform in college. They either have it or they don't.

 

[slyker]

Slyker,

Do you consider Oregon's averaging 42 points per game on offense struggling? If that is struggling, I wish RU struggled like that.

You guys keep talking about W's and L's RU is two wins less than last year at this point Oregon is also 2 wins less as well. Why cant their QB lead them to as many wins as last year ? Why didnt they beat WSU or MSU ?? Why did they perform similarly to Rutgers against those teams?

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

If you dont like a comparison with a Heisman winner... how about a couple examples of teams and senior graduating QB's similar in talent to RU and Nova.

Garret Greyson at Colorado State graduated after 2014

CSU was 7-3 in 2014, only 3-5 so far in 2015

Sean Mannion of Oregon State graduated after 2014

OSU was 5-7 in 2014, only 2-6 so far in 2015


Lots more examples... but tried to remember a few seniors that were fairly good,,, but not 1st round picks and what their replacements have meant to those teams.

Both those teams lost their head coaches. Look what the impact the former CSU coach is having at Florida this year and look at the drop off of his former team.

 

[Duff366]

I guess QB's are responsible for defense too, as per Slyker's logic.

 

[slyker]

Both those teams lost their head coaches. Look what the impact the former CSU coach is having at Florida this year and look at the drop off of his former team.

Wow this might be a scary thought for all those calling for Floods departure. . So you are pointing out that a mid to low level power conference team liike RU , Oregon State or CSU that hires a new coach, might fare worse than the prior coach? Even if the coach might be an established winner like the new coach Anderson at OSU who did pretty well for himself at his prior job at Wisconsin. I think anyone at RU would have given their left arm for a guy like Anderson..... But despite these new coaches it is hard to overcome the switch from a multi year starter at QB switching to a young QB? You make a very good point here.

 

[keav8447]

Slyker- you can draw up compelling comparisons to other programs all you want if that makes you feel better about the state of our program. I prefer to use my eyes. Our team is unwatchable. If your eyes see something different, we will agree to disagree on the trajectory of where we are headed without a fundamental change.

 

[lighty]

"Rettig and Laviano are not the answer. Hopefully, the next one is."

RutgersDave, I've seen you post this several times. What have you seen in the brief final minutes of two games when Rettig has played to tell you he's not the answer? To me, he may or may not be the answer. That's why I'd like to see him actually get some playing time. I think most people feel that way. Let's see if he's the guy or not. Saying he's not the answer when he hasn't played is kinda ridiculous imo.

 

[scarletKNIGHT07]

Wow this might be a scary thought for all those calling for Floods departure. . So you are pointing out that a mid to low level power conference team liike RU , Oregon State or CSU that hires a new coach, might fare worse than the prior coach? Even if the coach might be an established winner like the new coach Anderson at OSU who did pretty well for himself at his prior job at Wisconsin. I think anyone at RU would have given their left arm for a guy like Anderson..... But despite these new coaches it is hard to overcome the switch from a multi year starter at QB switching to a young QB? You make a very good point here.

I think I am showing the impact of a legit coach at a state school, located in fertile recruiting grounds with an athletic department and school committed to big time athletics. A school serious about its football program wouldn't have a failed oline coach as their coach by default for 4+ years.

 

[biazza38]

Serious styler stop with the nonsense. There's a new excuse every year with some people. The product on the field is horrible. And the decision making is questionable at best. If Flood knew how to coach/recruit, replacing Nova wouldn't be so difficult. Florida replaced their Qb, how are they doing? Michigan replaced their QB, how are they doing? Texas A&M replaced their QB, how are they doing? FSU replaced their QB, how are they doing? Notre Dame lost their QB early in the season, how are they doing? Baylor replaced their QB, how are they doing? Thats great that you like to compare Rutgers to Oregon State and Colorado State, but I'd much rather hold Rutgers to a higher standard. It's about time. There is no reason for Rutgers to not be a top 40 team on a yearly basis. Not with the amount of talented HS players in the areas we recruit. But hey, if you'd like to compare us to Colorado State and accept mediocrity, be my guest. I just don't get the attachment to Flood. Let it go.

 

[biazza38]

I've mentioned this in another thread, but I'll say it again... We have a coach who can't correct illegal forward passes, can't correct fumbled snaps, can't correct illegal formation, can't correct our botched extra PAT attempts, can't correct the D lining up out of position, and can't correct our kicker from kicking out of bounds. Those are not 1 time occurrences. Those thing happen way too often every for us styler. The illegal forward pass thing finally stopped once we brought in Fridge, but we scored 7 TDS verse Indiana only 4 times did we walk away with seven. My goodness that is awful. Flood was completely lost and incorrect for chasing point so soon. These are signs of a poorly coached team. Winning teams don't do that stuff. It's been going on for four years and none of it has been corrected. How can anyone possibly thing Flood is doing a good job?

 

[RealityChech2]

We lost 8 starters on D and including the entire secondary and the projected 2015 starters in the secondary: Kirksey, Hamilton, Milewski, Stephenson, Synder, Glashen, Waters, Boggs, Barnewell, Stephenson, Daily, Peele.

Find me 1 other team in the nation that lost that many people on defense! Initially only 5 of those 12 were to be lost in 2015.

On offense we lost Johnson, Bujari, Alexander, Turselli, Kroft, Nova and Burton. Again 7 starters and 2 NFLs and 2 on NFL IR/53.

I think we should have been better than we are on O but I think the playcalling is a big factor in the lower performance.

Next year 8-4 or 9-3 in regular season.

 

[RUwoz]

We lost to TTFP, by a ton, that's not okay. I want a coach that will make this the rivalry it should be

 

[RUsSKii]

Name one coach who was caught violating his university's academic procedures, had a large number of players almost simultaneously arrested under his watch, and is under further investigation for possible NCAA violations. Any names you'll come back with have coached their schools to near exponentially more successful winning levels than Rutgers during the past four seasons.

Feel free to continue offering comparisons to last season and arguing about lack of returning talent/personnel to justify this poor season to date, but none of that changes what is in my first paragraph.

 

[cRURah]

We lost 8 starters on D and including the entire secondary and the projected 2015 starters in the secondary: Kirksey, Hamilton, Milewski, Stephenson, Synder, Glashen, Boggs, Barnewell, Stephenson, Daily, Peele.

Find me 1 other team in the nation that lost that many people on defense! Initially only 4 of those 11 were to be lost in 2015.

On offense we lost Johnson, Bujari, Alexander, Turselli, Kroft, Nova and Burton. Again 7 starters and 2 NFLs and 2 on NFL IR/53.

I think we should have been better than we are on O but I think the playcalling is a big factor in the lower performance.

Next year 8-4 in regular season.

Losing a bunch of starters on one of the worst defenses in college football is not necessarily a bad thing. Now if we had a top 10 defense and lost 8 starters that would be a different story.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

Cocaine is a hell of a drug Slyker!! Can't wait till I have five minutes to shred apart your "analysis.". You're going to be shocked how hard you get hit over the head with the facts. Is plain old ugly, right now, and might not get better this year, let alone next year, to be quite honest. Our lack of quality depth is smacking us in the face all over the field.

 

[rutgersdave]

"Rettig and Laviano are not the answer. Hopefully, the next one is."

RutgersDave, I've seen you post this several times. What have you seen in the brief final minutes of two games when Rettig has played to tell you he's not the answer? To me, he may or may not be the answer. That's why I'd like to see him actually get some playing time. I think most people feel that way. Let's see if he's the guy or not. Saying he's not the answer when he hasn't played is kinda ridiculous imo.

There is a reason why Rettig isn't starting and it's not entirely because Flood is stubborn. There is a reason he didn't start at LSU, no more excuses. I wish he was but doesn't look like it. Remember the rocket, the fans weren't right.

I 'm not against Rettig starting but my guess is it's not going to matter. Fans wanted Dodd also.

 

[ru75]

"Bottom line is that in 6 of our games this year the play on the field has been basically the same. In one game we fared much better, and in one game it was worse. "

Our better is not getting better than their better. Our 1-0 game plan is unimaginative. Our passing game rarely gets past the first down marker. We no longer block punts. Our kicker is looking ahead to his next career. Off the field we have embarrassed ourselves. But this conversation is between us

 

[brgossRU90]

Excuses about personnel problems for the defense this year ignore the fact that the defense has been atrociously bad since Khaseem Greene and crew left--98th last year and 92nd the year before. Pass efficiency has been sh*t for 3 years running--90th last year and 104th the year before, even though last year we went up against a bunch of great RUSHING teams, not a bunch of great passing teams like we had in the AAC.

 

[RUChris]

Kansas in 15, Navy in 14 - Strong wins SIMILAR RESULT

Stop calling Kansas a strong win. Kansas is by far the worst P5 team in FBS. If they played Clemson in South Carolina the opening line would probably exceed -40. The 2014 Navy team would've mopped the floor with Kansas. There's no comparison.

 

[slyker]

Stop calling Kansas a strong win. Kansas is by far the worst P5 team in FBS. If they played Clemson in South Carolina the opening line would probably exceed -40. The 2014 Navy team would've mopped the floor with Kansas. There's no comparison.

OK, Instead of the Kansas win being equivalent to the Navy game ... I will call the Kansas game equivalent to the Tulane Win in 2014. Both Similar results - convincing victories against lower level FBS teams. Doesn't change the analysis.

 

[slyker]

Slyker- you can draw up compelling comparisons to other programs all you want if that makes you feel better about the state of our program. I prefer to use my eyes. Our team is unwatchable. If your eyes see something different, we will agree to disagree on the trajectory of where we are headed without a fundamental change.

Was the Michigan State game unwatchable ??
I thought Rutgers fared pretty well against a top 10 team that night.

How many games against top twenty teams were close last year?

Is this not an improvement? Why is a fact like this completely ignored when all of the can-flood-crew cite all their evidence why he is teh worst coach in history

 

[brgossRU90]

Flood was not HC for the msu game. But one close loss does not suggest quality play. It's just one close loss, and the only one the flood era has against a great team.

 

[slyker]

Flood was not HC for the msu game. But one close loss does not suggest quality play. It's just one close loss, and the only one the flood era has against a great team.

Do you live in a closet? Flood was the coach of the team for the MSU game. he just wasnt on the sideline. He was involved in everything for game dame preparation other than the on teh field decisions. Did you really see anything that would have changed if he were there? His coordinators cll the plays and D schemes.

And I never mentioned anything that a close loss suggests quality play. Those are your words.

I said the MSU game in which we had a chance to win in the last minute was an improvement over a blowout against MSU the prior year. Dont think there is anyone here that would argue that that is not an improvement. And if I recall one of teh biggest desires expressed by our fans coming into this year that we at least dont get blown out. For this one example is this not an improvement?

 

[madscientistRU09]

But yet there are some who think Kyle Flood is the greatest coach on earth, despite that hard facts smacking them in the face.

 

[lighty]

There is a reason why Rettig isn't starting and it's not entirely because Flood is stubborn. There is a reason he didn't start at LSU, no more excuses. I wish he was but doesn't look like it. Remember the rocket, the fans weren't right.

I 'm not against Rettig starting but my guess is it's not going to matter. Fans wanted Dodd also.

I agree he MiGHT not make a difference. Call me crazy for thinking that after seeing what Laviano can do across the season - especially his body of work without Carroo - that a decent coach would likely see what Rettig could do in his place.

At the worst, Rettig would do no better. At the best, he DOES make a difference.

 

[slyker]

But yet there are some who think Kyle Flood is the greatest coach on earth, despite that hard facts smacking them in the face.

I don't ever recall reading anyone ever saying flood was a great or even a good coach. Just a lot of people countering totally unreasonable expectations of what they believe an RU team should be able to do with lesser talent than our big ten foes and an unreasonable expectation that a coach at ru will at any time in the near future be able to recruit players on the level of a Michigan or an Ohio state whether it be flood or any other coach that would be willing to take a job at RU that is clearly one of the lesser power 5 programs in terms of overall attractiveness for a head coach. Some times slow and steady inch by inch improvement with stability is more preferable and will be more successful in the long run as opposed to making a change just for the sake of change especially when the chance is high that the available replacements will likely bring similar results


Myself and my friends have never viewed the venture into the big ten as something we would be successful in. In the short term. It's a 5 to 10 year building process to where we could even hope to be equal with an Iowa level program. And that is even a bit of a stretch imo

 

[lighty]

Slyker,

Do you agree that some of the blame on having lesser talent than our Big Ten foes should fall on the coach? We may only be in our second year in the conference, BUT he should have been able to begin recruiting for the Big Ten as soon as the announcement was made.