C. Vivian on Upgrading Facilities
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CVS response was awesome. ...the BOG and Barchi should be ashamed for trying to ignore the situation
This post was edited on 3/19 1:40 PM by bac2therac
This post was edited on 3/19 1:40 PM by bac2therac
Has Barchi even been to a game at the RAC?
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And another article with C. Viv's comments is now available.
Keep it in the press and make it loud.
NJ.COM 2nd article
Keep it in the press and make it loud.
NJ.COM 2nd article
yet we have our fans who continue to say its the basketball fans fault for not stepping up with money. Yes we need to donate more but the school has done absolutely nothing for basketball for 25 years..they need to show leadership before they get our money
Jeebus.
The school doesn't exist as conduit to support Basketball. The school itself doesn't "owe" anything to Basketball.
Basketball has been in a downward spiral for close to 40 years now. Administrations have come and gone. The one constant has been the lack of fans and donors.
I would be perfectly happy to see JH pushing for more donors to fund BB facilities. For all I know this is exactly what she is doing behind the scenes.
But borrowing money to build a practice facility will put Rutgers in that much of a whole ~6 years from now, because when we get those funds from the Big 10 we will have already spent the money, which means our operational funding will still be behind the eight ball.
I know fans don't like to hear it, but the right answer is to keep getting PRIVATE donors for a practice facility, keep chugging long for another year or two with what we have, and then hopefully fund the thing privately. Then once we get those full Big 10 payouts we will have the money to compete head to head for coaches, recruiting budgets, etc...
it might mean we suck for two more years, but then again EJ may pull off a miracle.
Edit: The one thing that could change the conversation would be if the State itself would float a bond to pay for the upgrades, but there is about 0.000001% chance of that happening. People like Lesniak will happily take the opportunity to criticize Rutgers, but these aren't people that will put their money where their mouth is. These are the folks that allocated $10 million to rowan to help them integrate UMDNJ, but allocated $0 to Rutgers.
This post was edited on 3/19 2:54 PM by TonyLieske
She makes in the area of $1,000,000 to coach women's basketball and she is complaining that $50,000,000 is not found to build a facility.
This article will resonate with about .1% of NJ citizens.
This article will resonate with about .1% of NJ citizens.
even though you say you didn't support, I do not recall you wagging your finger at football stadium expansionOriginally posted by TonyLieske:
Jeebus.
The school doesn't exist as conduit to support Basketball. The school itself doesn't "owe" anything to Basketball.
Basketball has been in a downward spiral for close to 40 years now. Administrations have come and gone. The one constant has been the lack of fans and donors.
I would be perfectly happy to see JH pushing for more donors to fund BB facilities. For all I know this is exactly what she is doing behind the scenes.
But borrowing money to build a practice facility will put Rutgers in that much of a whole ~6 years from now, because when we get those funds from the Big 10 we will have already spent the money, which means our operational funding will still be behind the eight ball.
I know fans don't like to hear it, but the right answer is to keep getting PRIVATE donors for a practice facility, keep chugging long for another year or two with what we have, and then hopefully fund the thing privately. Then once we get those full Big 10 payouts we will have the money to compete head to head for coaches, recruiting budgets, etc...
it might mean we suck for two more years, but then again EJ may pull off a miracle.
Edit: The one thing that could change the conversation would be if the State itself would float a bond to pay for the upgrades, but there is about 0.000001% chance of that happening. People like Lesniak will happily take the opportunity to criticize Rutgers, but these aren't people that will put their money where their mouth is. These are the folks that allocated $10 million to rowan to help them integrate UMDNJ, but allocated $0 to Rutgers.
This post was edited on 3/19 2:54 PM by TonyLieske
the last thing we need is people lecturing about how basketball fans have not done enough...the fact is there ISNT many basketball fans left...the school DROVE them all away...that is FACT that you cannot dispute...the program was CRAPPED on for years.
If she helps light a fire under the powers to be to get this done, that salary is worth every penny.
I'm glad she talked about what she is up against when compared to Ohio State, Maryland, and the rest of the B1G. I've been saying all along that we need to do more than just paint doors and add air conditioning, WE NEED A NEW ARENA. The RAC is so antiquated that it would take boatloads of money to even come close to upgrading to the level of our peers. If youre going to spend that much money, you might as well do it right and build a new arena. Pernetti's plan to spend tens of millions of dollars to upgrade the RAC would've been a waste, because it wouldn't have been sufficient and would've locked the bball programs in that building for another 25 years. Like I said, if you're going to spend that much money, do it right.
I also like the fact that Stringer's response came after being asked about men's and women's BB playing Seton Hall. She basically said we have bigger fish to fry and pointed out that we're in the B1G and we're not going to be able to compete unless we look at the big picture and elevate our facilities to the level of our peers. That's what is going to turn these programs around and get us to compete for Championships. Being in the B1G, Rutgers should have every school in the north east looking at our facilities and saying wow, not the other way around.
I also like the fact that Stringer's response came after being asked about men's and women's BB playing Seton Hall. She basically said we have bigger fish to fry and pointed out that we're in the B1G and we're not going to be able to compete unless we look at the big picture and elevate our facilities to the level of our peers. That's what is going to turn these programs around and get us to compete for Championships. Being in the B1G, Rutgers should have every school in the north east looking at our facilities and saying wow, not the other way around.
I don't think that so much as the fact that I think the pool desperately needs to be widened. How much more blood can you grind out of the stone of our current donors. I suppose more could be gotten but I'd be surprised if it was anything that could really move the needle. We need more donors and obviously more whales because those are the ones that really push things forward.
I mentioned the stadium for Minnesota got 81M in donations from over 2000 donors, That's a 40K average per donor with likely quite a few million plus donations. That's what we really need. They raised 70M for their sports complex and 40M of it came in 3 donations. 25M from Land O Lakes and 6M and 9M donations from 2 alums.
I'm glad C. Viv spoke up. The more outspoken top people are the more it'll get in the press. And hopefully the more it gets in the press the more embarrassed the BOG and Barchi will be to do something NOW, while money is still cheap. Wouldn't it be great if our officials finally became proactive instead of reactive?
I think the school needs to go after corporate donors...other schools are able to do this...there is no excuse why Rutgers isn't or hasn't in the past. Time to step up
Since CVS took a pay cut and makes less than you imply and agreed to have
the last two years of her contract not guaranteed, shows she cares about RU and
has every right
to speak out on what both RU Basketball programs need.
The she makes $$$$$ diss is old and not valid anymore.
As for only 1% of NJ citizens caring, it might start that small, but keeping up the pressure might get a larger percentage
in favor of upgrading facilities.
Giving up when an effort is being made is accepting failure , because it's to hard to accomplish, instead of fighting for what's needed and possibly gaining enough support to begin the process.
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I agree with that I'm not sure why we've never been able to get more local corporations involved on the scale of what I've discovered for Minnesota. Best Buy, Target, General Mills, Land O Lakes all local companies.
I wouldn't expect it from the pharmas though. They don't plaster their names on touranments, sports complexes etc.. Might get it on a hospital or medical research center or something like that but not an arena or what have you. You'll get signage buys and other ad buys but not the name on the building.
I was taking a look at NJ based corporations. We can have the Bed Bath and Beyond Center, haha.
NJ based companies.
http://www.ranker.com/list/companies-headquartered-in-new-jersey/the-working-man
I'm afraid embarrassing comments regarding the lack of commitment to basketball at Rutgers will have no impact because there still is no plan for financing any construction.What we hear is desperation from a small group of fans that care ,Lesniak a politician and Stringer a head coach hardly a tidal wave of interest and more importantly financial support.In another couple of weeks talk will move to spring football and talk about facilities for basketball will be packed away along with the uniforms.
Glad to hear the coach speaking out but part of me has been conditioned to think that the fact that the NJ.com/SL is publishing this is all part of a setup for them to go on attack mode were RU ever to commit funds to such a project. We all know that they've done it before. Mind you, I would love to be wrong.
Agree wholeheartedly, yet every time we say this, there are those blasting the fans for not coming, the fans for not donating enough, the alumni for not caring about basketball, yada, yada.
Barchi grow some balls, stop crying about the subsidy, and get out there and shout from the rooftops that Rutgers will invest in athletics so we can compete in the BIG both athletically and academically.
Barchi was willing to add a Medical school to Rutgers which had over 500 Million in debt(see below) I guess in the big scheme of things it was prudent and will help RUtgers get more money for research, and add prestige to our Universty, I get that.
"The new combined university is expected to provide a wealth of research and academic opportunities for its 65,000 students, but the merger has also saddled the state university with about $503 million more in debt."
By all many accounts, the actual value of this asset was $50mill with a debt of $500mill.
You want to talk about a subsidy Mr, Barchi?
No issue with going into half a billion in debt for a medical school, but investing some money into Athletics so we can compete in a conference that has in its charter that they will compete academically and athletically at the highest level, well let's make excuses why we can't do that, but we can come up with a half billion to get a medical school.
We are not even asking the state or RUtgers to come up with cash. Just help with borrowing some money based on future earnings. Hopefully we can find some donors to help as well. We invested in Football, and now they can compete. Its time we compete in Men's basketball.
I understand its a complicated issue and facilities are not the only answer to getting better. But we need the facilities now, and Barchi needs to lead.
So, we couldn't just start our own medical school, we had to merge with one that arguably had a real asset value of 50mill, and put us 503mill in debt. Where are we going to be in 6 years with that?Originally posted by TonyLieske:
Jeebus.
The school doesn't exist as conduit to support Basketball. The school itself doesn't "owe" anything to Basketball.
Basketball has been in a downward spiral for close to 40 years now. Administrations have come and gone. The one constant has been the lack of fans and donors.
I would be perfectly happy to see JH pushing for more donors to fund BB facilities. For all I know this is exactly what she is doing behind the scenes.
But borrowing money to build a practice facility will put Rutgers in that much of a whole ~6 years from now, because when we get those funds from the Big 10 we will have already spent the money, which means our operational funding will still be behind the eight ball.[/B]
I know fans don't like to hear it, but the right answer is to keep getting PRIVATE donors for a practice facility, keep chugging long for another year or two with what we have, and then hopefully fund the thing privately. Then once we get those full Big 10 payouts we will have the money to compete head to head for coaches, recruiting budgets, etc...
it might mean we suck for two more years, but then again EJ may pull off a miracle.
Edit: The one thing that could change the conversation would be if the State itself would float a bond to pay for the upgrades, but there is about 0.000001% chance of that happening. People like Lesniak will happily take the opportunity to criticize Rutgers, but these aren't people that will put their money where their mouth is. These are the folks that allocated $10 million to rowan to help them integrate UMDNJ, but allocated $0 to Rutgers.
This post was edited on 3/19 2:54 PM by TonyLieske
If barchi can borrow 503 million for a medical school, we can borrow 15 Mill for practice facilites. I realize donors will have to kick in as well, but Please, its a drop in the bucket compared to his 503 million dollar spending spree.
And the real issue now is leadership. No donor is going to give a dime the way it is now. Nothing will happen until.......
1. Barchi makes a commitment to upgrading facilites
2. A plan is put together
There will be no donors until 1 and 2 are done. So yes, donors are part of the solution, but if no 1 and 2, things will never change.
1 and 2 do not cost a lot of money. Why is everyone defending poor old Barchi just can't spend any money. He just spent half a billion for a medical school.
exactly JP...too many people pulling this high and mighty routine about spending...sounds like the Ledger or Rutgers1000..you have to spend in athletics to compete, that's why we are here, we are not rooting for these teams just to say atta boy and boy you got a great grade point average, lets be honest here
Anyone arguing these topics can't possibly be Rutgers sports fans. I heard the same shit when we expanded the football stadium from the same jokers (there's not enough demand, we don't need it, we only had a couple of sellouts, etc.!) Well guess what, without that addition, we don't get into the B1G. And for all of you academic nuthugging lovers, this is going to benefit you too.
And now it's time to step up and make our facilities on par with our peers in the B1G. You ALL wanted to join, so how about you ALL get behind whoever is pushing the issue and however we need to get it done. I could give 2 shits if we have to borrow the money, we'll pay it back. And this really isn't about just a basketball facility. If we are going to borrow money or the state is going to help in some way, we need to take care of everything in one shot so we don't have to go back to those bastards. We can't do this piecemeal. That won't work. We need to jam it through however we can and get everything done.
Screw all the haters out there, including on this board, and let's get this done RU. And then watch things take off.
And one last thing. For all of you CVS haters who say she's overpaid, you're a bunch of small time thinkers. You're worried about a few hundred thousand $$ extra being paid to our most successful coach. Yet here she is in the tourney again. And no I don't care that it's woman's basketball. I wish we would overpay all of our coaches and get the same return by going to the NCAA tournaments in all of those sports too.
And now it's time to step up and make our facilities on par with our peers in the B1G. You ALL wanted to join, so how about you ALL get behind whoever is pushing the issue and however we need to get it done. I could give 2 shits if we have to borrow the money, we'll pay it back. And this really isn't about just a basketball facility. If we are going to borrow money or the state is going to help in some way, we need to take care of everything in one shot so we don't have to go back to those bastards. We can't do this piecemeal. That won't work. We need to jam it through however we can and get everything done.
Screw all the haters out there, including on this board, and let's get this done RU. And then watch things take off.
And one last thing. For all of you CVS haters who say she's overpaid, you're a bunch of small time thinkers. You're worried about a few hundred thousand $$ extra being paid to our most successful coach. Yet here she is in the tourney again. And no I don't care that it's woman's basketball. I wish we would overpay all of our coaches and get the same return by going to the NCAA tournaments in all of those sports too.
I agree with Nukem. I woukd rather we were in the Patriot League if we don't have the stomach for big time sports. It's a principled position. Hell, go all U of Chicago and drop all sports. That's fine.
But to join the B1G and take no steps to upgrade facilities, is ridiculous. Be in or get out. And it's not Ok for the school to just support football. It got us in the B1G, but it's outdated now. We must change things.
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But to join the B1G and take no steps to upgrade facilities, is ridiculous. Be in or get out. And it's not Ok for the school to just support football. It got us in the B1G, but it's outdated now. We must change things.
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If she loses to SHU on Saturday will she blame it on the RU BB facilities ?
Has CVS helped with fund raising since coming to RU ? I doubt it.
Has CVS helped with fund raising since coming to RU ? I doubt it.
Not her job as bac stated, but for your information, yes she has.
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I am so glad Vivian spoke up.
She's got some balls, unlike our administration, BOG, BOT, governor (he probably has big balls but only because he is fat), State legislators, and a bunch of loser posters who continually take shots at Stringer (one of the ONLY coaches worth a damn at RU, although many are hamstrung because of sh*t budgets).
Anyone trying to tear down Stringer can go pound sand - they are LOSERS.
Once Stringer retires, just see how fast our women's team goes in the crapper. Like she said, who is going to want to come play for a nobody (who will be getting paid diddly squat) with the worst facilities in the B1G?
NOBODY!
Grow some balls, people!
She's got some balls, unlike our administration, BOG, BOT, governor (he probably has big balls but only because he is fat), State legislators, and a bunch of loser posters who continually take shots at Stringer (one of the ONLY coaches worth a damn at RU, although many are hamstrung because of sh*t budgets).
Anyone trying to tear down Stringer can go pound sand - they are LOSERS.
Once Stringer retires, just see how fast our women's team goes in the crapper. Like she said, who is going to want to come play for a nobody (who will be getting paid diddly squat) with the worst facilities in the B1G?
NOBODY!
Grow some balls, people!
RUonBrain,
Google Courtney Banghart. Then get back to us with your findings if you can lift those big balls you are carrying around.
Google Courtney Banghart. Then get back to us with your findings if you can lift those big balls you are carrying around.
That article was pretty much amazing.
I too have wondered why Rutgers hasn't been aggressive with building new athletic facilities since it was first voted into the B1G. Even if you do not have the big bucks rolling in right now, they will be here sooner rather than later. Take out a bond and get this done. Stringer mentioned being embarrassed for her players when they walk into facilities at Ohio State, Maryland, etc. That works both ways. I'm sure players from other teams are sad and embarrassed when they walk into the RAC and see what Rutgers players have to play in day after day.
Rutgers was voted into the B1G almost 2.5 years ago and has been in the conference for almost 1 year. There haven't even been announced plans for new construction, even if the construction itself wouldn't start for a few years. Time to start acting like a B1G team.
Even little old Louisville built amazing facilities and they were on a shoe string Conference USA budget for years.
I too have wondered why Rutgers hasn't been aggressive with building new athletic facilities since it was first voted into the B1G. Even if you do not have the big bucks rolling in right now, they will be here sooner rather than later. Take out a bond and get this done. Stringer mentioned being embarrassed for her players when they walk into facilities at Ohio State, Maryland, etc. That works both ways. I'm sure players from other teams are sad and embarrassed when they walk into the RAC and see what Rutgers players have to play in day after day.
Rutgers was voted into the B1G almost 2.5 years ago and has been in the conference for almost 1 year. There haven't even been announced plans for new construction, even if the construction itself wouldn't start for a few years. Time to start acting like a B1G team.
Even little old Louisville built amazing facilities and they were on a shoe string Conference USA budget for years.
Problem, especially hoops wise, goes back a decade or two...as RU belonged to usually the best basketball conf in the nation...yet did NOTHING in regards to practice facilities or large arena renovations (or new arena) that others have done, many in much lower rated conf.
Heck, a short time Big East member that had just one conf season at .500 and usually finished at/near the bottom in other years, USF, raised $$$$ to build their own 51,000 sq ft basketball practice facility that opened in 2011.
USF got a lead gift of $3 Million from an alum to kick start the campaign back in 2008, which lead to the completion of the project in 2011.
Following up my point......
Price of season tickets...center court or 50
FB 350 gift + 560 = 910
MBB 525 gift + 617 = 1142
WBK 0 gift + ??? = 400???
I am glad she is speaking up. However I still think she the woman's basketball program is a SMALL part of the athletic department's problem.
I know the pushback will be her success.....our diving coach just sent a diver to the NCAAs. He gets paid peanuts, which has a direct correlation to the revenue that is brought in.
Price of season tickets...center court or 50
FB 350 gift + 560 = 910
MBB 525 gift + 617 = 1142
WBK 0 gift + ??? = 400???
I am glad she is speaking up. However I still think she the woman's basketball program is a SMALL part of the athletic department's problem.
I know the pushback will be her success.....our diving coach just sent a diver to the NCAAs. He gets paid peanuts, which has a direct correlation to the revenue that is brought in.
I think a large part of the funding problem for a new arena/practice facility is that we live in NJ. Most states (residents and politicians alike) get behind their flagship state university not in NJ. There is so much self interests in NJ its not even funny. With the wealth, population density, media exposure and sports fandom in this area Rutgers U should not be lagging behind any other program in the BIG let alone any Big East, American or Conf USA school. Heck I attended a fortune 100 company's event at the Hyatt in New Brunswick and in speaking to a director who heads an office in NB about the RU PSU game that had pass he responds to the effect of "I give two sh*ts about Rutgers." I was like WTF is this guy's problem with Rutgers U. Folks if we depend on the citizens of NJ to bring RU's facilities up to par we'll be waiting a long time especially since this issue is basketballcentric. Remember NJ had a pro basketball team with a brand new arena built by private money and no one gave a crap when it watched the Nets leave to Brooklyn. Private RU alum dollars and corporate dollars will be the answer to the RU basketball facility issue not Trenton or the populace of NJ. After RU basketball wins big in the conference and nationally then the citizens will follow. That's just the way it is here.
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