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Cabinda Bell Sickles Penn State

Out of the starters Godwin is a beast at 50/50 balls , Hamilton has made A LOT of catches in his time at PSU has good hands but lacks top end speed, blacknall is still trying to find he's identity but is the fastest of the starters and is as big as Godwin.
 
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It's all about history. PSU built a program while we were farting around trying to be an Ivy League wannabee. No leadership or vision in either Trenton or New Brunswick. A serious commitment was needed the moment RU became the State University. The loss of the CFB HoF to NYC, then South Bend then to wherever the hell it is now was criminal.

The kids will always be attracted to the mega stadiums and great facilities. We need upgrades and support. Otherwise we will be a second thought with an occasional uptick. Worse yet, we need to avoid becoming a clone of Cuse, BC, UConn or a perennial B1G bottom feeder. In short it takes cash and commitment
Finally some real perspective.

New Jersey's most famous musician's most famous song is an anthem to leaving this dump.

We have politicians appointed to the BoG who openly spoke of leaving the state to avoid taxes (and who openly tried to thwart the athletics department while supporting Penn State).

The State U never attracted the sons and daughters from generational wealth in New Jersey.. the ones who can afford the big donations.

The state media actively seeks to embarrass the State U every chance they get.

Rutgers was never a big sports school.. attracting students interested in big time sports who would later become the HS coaches all over the state.

Bottom Line: Rutgers has unique hurdles to overcome when compared to the Penn States and Michigans of the world. The Big Ten money will help.. when it gets here.. but it would be nice if the people of the state began to have some state pride and supported their state U like they should. Same goes for the media. If that began to happen, and we have competitive facilities and coaching staffs.. maybe some of the kids on the fence.. the ones who actually like living in New Jersey... maybe they will start falling our way.
 
So many posters here continue to confuse "sucks" with "limited opportunities" when it comes to Blacknall, especially considering he's been banged up this season. There is a lot of talent in the WR room at Penn State and only one football. Oh, and there's an all-world RB that needs to get his touches also.

Go back and watch Blacknall's catch Saturday night that set up the touchdown; it's one of the best you'll see this season. He had to stop his route and then, as he was backpedaling and being interfered with, he brought the ball in with his chest and forearm, all while managing to stay in bounds and maintain possession as he landed.
 
Rutgers doesn't even know Hunterdon Central exists (unless it was for lacrosse). They've ceded it to TSFP years ago.. TE to Va Tech, TE to Maryland, and several players to PSU. My kids came up thru this school and this is a part of the state more aligned to Pa and the Mid Atlantic area than the rest.

No reason for that to be and I hope Ash takes a different look once and again. Same as how long it took them to connect with South Brunswick.
 
Exactly right.

As an FYI, I posted in another thread that PSU had eight NJ starters on Saturday night. It wasn't meant to be a flame but someone said they were role players and I disagreed.
  • Bell & Cabinda combined for 31 tackles...Bell had 19.
  • Sickels was suspended for the 1H. He totaled 9 tackles and 3.5 TFL (2.5 sacks) while only playing half the game.
  • Reid is becoming one of the best cover CBs in the league and was lights out Saturday (did have the fumble though).
  • Mahon back to RT - solid.
  • Gesicki had a drop but gutted out an injury and has been a different player this season. Still can't block.
  • Blacknall made one of the two 50/50 deep ball catches.
  • Manny Bowen is now a starting LB.
Isn't Reid from Philadelphia?
 
It's all about history. PSU built a program while we were farting around trying to be an Ivy League wannabee. No leadership or vision in either Trenton or New Brunswick. A serious commitment was needed the moment RU became the State University. The loss of the CFB HoF to NYC, then South Bend then to wherever the hell it is now was criminal.

The kids will always be attracted to the mega stadiums and great facilities. We need upgrades and support. Otherwise we will be a second thought with an occasional uptick. Worse yet, we need to avoid becoming a clone of Cuse, BC, UConn or a perennial B1G bottom feeder. In short it takes cash and commitment

I had no idea that the College Football Hall of Fame was supposed to be at Rutgers. You learn something new everyday! From Wikipedia:
Original plans[2] called for the Hall of Fame to be located at Rutgers University in New Brunswick, New Jersey, the location of the first contest under rules now considered to be those of modern football, between teams from Rutgers and the College of New Jersey, now Princeton University; Rutgers won 6–4. Rutgers donated land near its football stadium, office space, and administrative support. After years of collecting donations for the construction of the building with ground not having been broken and no plans to do so, the New Jersey Attorney General began an investigation of the finances of the Hall of Fame's foundation, the National Football Foundation. In response, the Foundation moved its operations to New York City, where it continued to collect donations for several years.

When the
New York Attorney General's office began its own investigation, the foundation moved to Kings Mills, Ohio, where a building finally was constructed adjacent to Kings Island in 1978. The Hall opened with excellent attendance figures early on, but visitation dwindled dramatically as time went on, and the facility closed in 1992. Nearby Galbraith field remained open as the home of Moeller High School Football until 2003. [3]

A new building was opened in
South Bend, Indiana on August 25, 1995. Despite estimates that the South Bend location would attract more than 150,000 visitors a year, the Hall of Fame drew about 115,000 people the first year,[4] and about 80,000 annually after that.[5]
 
I call BS. I've been to both, and Penn State is all right. That's it. It's no Princeton.
We're not losing kids over that. Not at all.
Agreed. We visited there, it was nice, but was disappointed compared to the paradise comments from PSU alums etc. No comparison to Princeton and UMich.
 
So many posters here continue to confuse "sucks" with "limited opportunities" when it comes to Blacknall, especially considering he's been banged up this season. There is a lot of talent in the WR room at Penn State and only one football. Oh, and there's an all-world RB that needs to get his touches also.

Go back and watch Blacknall's catch Saturday night that set up the touchdown; it's one of the best you'll see this season. He had to stop his route and then, as he was backpedaling and being interfered with, he brought the ball in with his chest and forearm, all while managing to stay in bounds and maintain possession as he landed.

I don't want to get into a back and forth but anyone at this level can make a great play one time. That's why these kids were recruited. The biggest thing needed in sports is consistency. The guys who move up from level to level are the most consistent.

He made one big play in a big game. That's a good thing. But his career has been unheralded in position that you're own fans admit holds you back. That says more than one play in one game. I won't deny he's athletic.
 
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I don't want to get into a back and forth but anyone at this level can make a great play one time. That's why these kids were recruited. The biggest thing needed in sports is consistency. The guys who move up from level to level are the most consistent.

He made one big play in a big game. That's a good thing. But his career has been unheralded in position that you're own fans admit holds you back. That says more than one play in one game. I won't deny he's athletic.

Our WR are holding us back? That's an interesting POV, and not one that I share. Don't be surprised if Blacknall ends up playing on Sundays. He'll likely test very well. PSU's other primary outside receivers this season are Chris Godwin, who will also play in the NFL, and DeAndre Thompkins, who like Blacknall was a 4-star recruit and has made great strides as a sophomore. Blacknall, who has also dealt with injuries this season, hasn't become Allen Robinson. He also doesn't "suck," a word that gets tossed around too often on this board by people who would kill to have Blacknall lined up in scarlet and white.
 
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Our WR are holding us back? That's an interesting POV, and not one that I share. Don't be surprised if Blacknall ends up playing on Sundays. He'll likely test very well. PSU's other primary outside receivers this season are Chris Godwin, who will also play in the NFL, and DeAndre Thompkins, who like Blacknall was a 4-star recruit and has made great strides as a sophomore. Blacknall, who has also dealt with injuries this season, hasn't become Allen Robinson. He also doesn't "suck," a word that gets tossed around too often on this board by people who would kill to have Blacknall lined up in scarlet and white.

I would be surprised but I guess that's your point. I think it's much to early to make that prediction. He sounds like Mark Harrison (who had a cup of coffee in the league) but less productive - which says a lot. If you know him it makes sense and if you don't, well, that makes sense too.

We'll see what happens. I like McSorely (sp) he has a game that can keep defenses off balance and should progress to round out the other parts of his game.
 
It's all about history. PSU built a program while we were farting around trying to be an Ivy League wannabee. No leadership or vision in either Trenton or New Brunswick. A serious commitment was needed the moment RU became the State University. The loss of the CFB HoF to NYC, then South Bend then to wherever the hell it is now was criminal.

The kids will always be attracted to the mega stadiums and great facilities. We need upgrades and support. Otherwise we will be a second thought with an occasional uptick. Worse yet, we need to avoid becoming a clone of Cuse, BC, UConn or a perennial B1G bottom feeder. In short it takes cash and commitment
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if youve ever seen the PSU campus vs the Rutgers campus, you'd understand why so many kids choose PSU over RU. Doesn't really compare. And before all of you freak out i went to both schools

I would add that many kids want to play on the largest stage possible and kids coming up today could care less about the Paterno/Sandusky tragedy.

In time, hopefully Ash will prove to be the superior coach over Franklin and more kids will want to stay home.
 
Exactly right.

As an FYI, I posted in another thread that PSU had eight NJ starters on Saturday night. It wasn't meant to be a flame but someone said they were role players and I disagreed.
  • Bell & Cabinda combined for 31 tackles...Bell had 19.
  • Sickels was suspended for the 1H. He totaled 9 tackles and 3.5 TFL (2.5 sacks) while only playing half the game.
  • Reid is becoming one of the best cover CBs in the league and was lights out Saturday (did have the fumble though).
  • Mahon back to RT - solid.
  • Gesicki had a drop but gutted out an injury and has been a different player this season. Still can't block.
  • Blacknall made one of the two 50/50 deep ball catches.
  • Manny Bowen is now a starting LB.

Mahon just was named the #1 graded RT in the country from last weekend...it was the first he played there this season. It's also his second #1 individual game grade nationally this season but the last one was with him at LT.
 
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1984, guy at work is from Flemington. Always asks me why RU did not offer Te from Central who went to Maryland.
 
Explains why Flood's no longer there, right? At least in part. There was that grade thing too.
But that grade thing was far less disgusting than the shower thing at Penn St and
there wasn't RU fans rioting because that grade thing was a major part of Flood being fired.
Now get back to talking football/recruiting and I'll stick to football myself.
or this thread might get unnecessarily hijacked by talking about another because of your snide remark ( even if it was true).
 
Our WR are holding us back? That's an interesting POV, and not one that I share. Don't be surprised if Blacknall ends up playing on Sundays. He'll likely test very well. PSU's other primary outside receivers this season are Chris Godwin, who will also play in the NFL, and DeAndre Thompkins, who like Blacknall was a 4-star recruit and has made great strides as a sophomore. Blacknall, who has also dealt with injuries this season, hasn't become Allen Robinson. He also doesn't "suck," a word that gets tossed around too often on this board by people who would kill to have Blacknall lined up in scarlet and white.

OK I'll clarify why he sucks. If you watch the games which I'm sure you do, you can tell McSorley and even Hackenburg didn't throw the ball alot if at all in games. Go look at targets per game. Blacknall is way down on the list. Not sure if they aren't throwing to him because he can't catch or can't separate from DBs. I don't care-choose one. Either way, just because he "tests" well at the Combine does not mean he will get to the NFL. Lots of kids test well that have their tapes scrutinized and, well, tape don't lie. It's why Carroo was drafted ahead of guys voted to the Big Ten All Conf team that should have been picking up his jock off the floor instead. Blacknall is not translating well to CFB. It happens. Look at Hackenburg. Jets wasted a 2nd Rd pick on a guy on what a coach who recruited him in the prime of his career told a guy in his front office what he was like when he was coaching him. Except he's not coaching him anymore.
 
OK I'll clarify why he sucks. If you watch the games which I'm sure you do, you can tell McSorley and even Hackenburg didn't throw the ball alot if at all in games. Go look at targets per game. Blacknall is way down on the list. Not sure if they aren't throwing to him because he can't catch or can't separate from DBs. I don't care-choose one. Either way, just because he "tests" well at the Combine does not mean he will get to the NFL. Lots of kids test well that have their tapes scrutinized and, well, tape don't lie. It's why Carroo was drafted ahead of guys voted to the Big Ten All Conf team that should have been picking up his jock off the floor instead. Blacknall is not translating well to CFB. It happens. Look at Hackenburg. Jets wasted a 2nd Rd pick on a guy on what a coach who recruited him in the prime of his career told a guy in his front office what he was like when he was coaching him. Except he's not coaching him anymore.

Ummm, you do realize he has been out almost the entire season with an injury, right? That tends to limit your targets.
 
Agreed. We visited there, it was nice, but was disappointed compared to the paradise comments from PSU alums etc. No comparison to Princeton and UMich.

I've never been to Princeton (not sure that should be compared based on the differences in academics and athletics) but have been to UM many times. UM is a better school but I don't think it is a better campus at all.

Can't wait to see Madison. Have heard it is awesome.
 
Mahon just was named the #1 graded RT in the country from last weekend...it was the first he played there this season. It's also his second #1 individual game grade nationally this season but the last one was with him at LT.

Oh, please, give me a break, aren't you the guy who claimed that Angelo Mangiro was better than Donovan Smith? Where are they both today?
 
Please people. The bottom line is that they have 8 starters in their starting lineup from NJ. That's 36% of their starters.

And enough with the Ped state stuff. That bs doesn't translate on the field. What matters is wins and losses, and who's contributing. So far 8 NJ players are contributing on that roster, and with high results. We have to do better of getting these kids to commit here and want to make this program better and compete on a consistently high level. That's what this is about!

Bottom line, we gotta get those players to commit here and stay committed, so that this program can make a name for itself.
 
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Ummm, you do realize he has been out almost the entire season with an injury, right? That tends to limit your targets.
Unfortunately I've watched more than just this season of PSU football. He's not targeted. First year it was Hamilton. Last two years Godwin. Blacknall is a third option plus Hail Mary guy. Sorry. He's not good. He can't get separation because he runs poor routes.
 
Penn State will continue to cherry pick the best NJ recruits just like other perceived elite schools do every year.Winning and perception matter in recruiting .Top tier NJ recruits have never shown a sustained interest in staying home and playing for Rutgers.To think otherwise is truly wishful thinking.
 
OK I'll clarify why he sucks. If you watch the games which I'm sure you do, you can tell McSorley and even Hackenburg didn't throw the ball alot if at all in games. Go look at targets per game. Blacknall is way down on the list. Not sure if they aren't throwing to him because he can't catch or can't separate from DBs. I don't care-choose one. Either way, just because he "tests" well at the Combine does not mean he will get to the NFL. Lots of kids test well that have their tapes scrutinized and, well, tape don't lie. It's why Carroo was drafted ahead of guys voted to the Big Ten All Conf team that should have been picking up his jock off the floor instead. Blacknall is not translating well to CFB. It happens. Look at Hackenburg. Jets wasted a 2nd Rd pick on a guy on what a coach who recruited him in the prime of his career told a guy in his front office what he was like when he was coaching him. Except he's not coaching him anymore.

Let me clarify why it's funny to hear he "sucks" on this board. He'd easily start at RU and would instantly become one of your two or three top playmaking athletes.
 
But that grade thing was far less disgusting than the shower thing at Penn St and
there wasn't RU fans rioting because that grade thing was a major part of Flood being fired.
Now get back to talking football/recruiting and I'll stick to football myself.
or this thread might get unnecessarily hijacked by talking about another because of your snide remark ( even if it was true).
It wasn't a snide remark. It was just a comment and IT WAS TRUE. Over sensitive much? And as much as you'd like to turn every conversation with a Penn State person or about Penn State into Sandusky, it won't win you any rational arguments about topics that don't even concern him. As I said to another poster above: Learn another song. You've become like a broken record. Why don't you go to Germany and rant about Hitler too? Be just about as idiotic.
 
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It wasn't a snide remark. It was just a comment and IT WAS TRUE. Over sensitive much? And as much as you'd like to turn every conversation with a Penn State person or about Penn State into Sandusky, it won't win you any rational arguments about topics that don't even concern him. As I said to another poster above: Learn another song. You've become like a broken record. Why don't you go to Germany and rant about Hitler too? Be just about as idiotic.
The difference there is they at least had some guilt about it.
 
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It wasn't a snide remark. It was just a comment and IT WAS TRUE. Over sensitive much? And as much as you'd like to turn every conversation with a Penn State person or about Penn State into Sandusky, it won't win you any rational arguments about topics that don't even concern him. As I said to another poster above: Learn another song. You've become like a broken record. Why don't you go to Germany and rant about Hitler too? Be just about as idiotic.
Didn't try to bring up the subject you're implying I did. Just pointed out that your (yes it was) snide remark could turn the conversation into an issue ( yes, that one) not relevant to this conversation.
Seems like you get overly defensive when someone points out a petty insult you made
towards Rutgers and then you act like a victim. As for your Hitler comment, just shows what type of person you are when you're called out for what you said and held accountable for it.
 
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