Calipari is overrated

[Caliknight]

Exceptional recruiter. No doubt.

However, when his teams are close in pivotal games, you really see the difference in coaching. Wisconsin ran its stuff, got good looks, and won the game.

Calipari sits on the ball with 5 minutes to go and a few point lead. His team stops running, no early offense, and waits until the shot clock is running out where they go to a 1 4 and do one on one stuff.

You never see great coaches making these moves. Again, great recruiter, but questionable coaching.

 

[LotusAggressor]

When the Harrison twins are draining 35 footers with 3 seconds on the shot clock, he's a brilliant tactician. When they aren't, he isn't.

 

[Saint Puppy]

Cal may be the greatest recruiter ever....certainly not the greatest Xs and Os guy ever.

 

[Rufaninga]

Getting top players to play together and go 38 and 0 is good coaching. Is he the best tactician ever? No, but I think he is more than a great recruiter. He has won at multiple schools as well. What about the close games this season that his team got the W?

 

[biazza38]

He's overrated as they come. He doesn't even know how to substitute his team properly, so he ran some "platoon" system. It's quite laughable. They played no one this year until ND.

 

[bac2therac]

Lol no....he got a bunch of 18 year olds to win 38 straight games. They got beat in a classic game...and now he's overrated lol

 

[biazza38]

He has nine McDonald's all Americans. 20+ straight wins in the SEC is not that impressive. He was completely out coached this year and last year. His championship was with the greatest college team the past 20 years. It really is not that impressive to beat a bunch of inferior teams
And if it's so difficult to win with all freshmen/sophomores, then he should adjust

 

[rutgersguy1]

He's a good coach and I think he's got a talent that I couldn't say other coaches would have. I've said this before and you can say he has all that talent and he does. But it's young talent and developing chemistry with all that young talent and with the egos of all of them being stars out of high school isn't always easy to manage and develop. He usually does a good job of developing that chemistry and managing egos and he pretty much has to do it annually because so many of them leave so soon.

So I wouldn't say he's overrated. Is he one of the great coaches out there? I don't think so but he's a very good coach. Ton of talent yes but it still takes a knack to manage all that young talent and to do it every year.

Mind you all that being said, I'm happy to see him lose every year.

This post was edited on 4/5 8:42 AM by rutgersguy1

 

[RUJMM78]

How can a head coach be considered overrated when his team has gone to back to back Final Fours and this season Kentucky had a record of 38-0?Yes,his offensive scheme at the end of the game was poor with too much dependence on the Harrison brothers driving to the basket instead of passing the ball inside to Townes .In previous games the Harrison brothers were the difference makers in winning close games.Wisconsin won because they had no fear of Kentucky based on last years game ,players made big shots at critical times and the foul shooting was outstanding in the last 3 minutes.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

He's weakness is offensive coaching

 

[The Jackster]

Originally posted by Caliknight:

Exceptional recruiter. No doubt.

However, when his teams are close in pivotal games, you really see the difference in coaching. Wisconsin ran its stuff, got good looks, and won the game.

Calipari sits on the ball with 5 minutes to go and a few point lead. His team stops running, no early offense, and waits until the shot clock is running out where they go to a 1 4 and do one on one stuff.

You never see great coaches making these moves. Again, great recruiter, but questionable coaching.

Calipari is a great coach for melding 10 players with super egos to 38 wins in a row. The game tonight showed that experience beat talent. Wisconsin played like they had been there before while Kentucky played tight down the stretch.

 

[shields]

I do think the SEC is not good, but they still were 38-0.

 

[Knightmoves]

RU fans calling Cal overrated is like the little kid on the playground saying the bully is not so tough.

 

[PhilaPhans]

He took a Kentucky team that went through a few bad years (for them) under Gillispie and went to the Elite 8 once, Final Four twice, Championship game twice (winning a title in 2012). He guided this team to 38-0 before losing in the last two minutes to a Wisconsin team with at least three first rounders of their own.

If Calipari is overrated, I can't imagine what your opinions are of any other coach in the country.

I don't see why people waste their time starting threads like these.

 

[PatrickRU92]

Originally posted by bac2therac:
Lol no....he got a bunch of 18 year olds to win 38 straight games. They got beat in a classic game...and now he's overrated lol

Have to agree with bac here.

Great recruiter--yes
Great coach--yes
Grade A Slimebag--yes

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

There were some questionable offensive plays down the stretch.... the 1-4 set killed them because one of the Harrison could not finish in the lane a few times. They should gotten the ball down low to Towns or Stein.... score or foul.

The game may impact recruiting in the future.... you have 4 and 5 star guys sitting on the bench during crunch time, playing 15 minutes per game and they lose. Anywhere else those guys are playing 30 minutes per game. For example, the next few years Briscoe will play about 15 minutes per game. He will do a lot of watching on the bench.

 

[sailor41123]

really, you go 38-1 and your over rated? we can see who knows basketball...

I guess the Wisconsin coach is overrated because he lost to RU.

some people post to see themselves on the board.... words are there but they say nothing...

 

[Mr Magoo]

He got a bunch of McDonald's All Americans to swallow their pride and play as a team. He may be a scumbag, but he's also a very good college coach.

 

[RUChoppin]

Calipari is an elite level recruiter, elite level personality manager, and a slightly above average X's and O'x coach.

He has the ability to bring together a rookie NBA team to compete in the NCAAs, and to keep them all on the same page and working together... and at times he manages to get outcoached but win because his athletes are better than anyone else in the gym.

Can't knock the guy other than being a slimeball. I'd gladly take an elite recruiter who was an average to above average coach.

 

[B0ski]

Clearly not a Rutgers man - LOL

 

[Caliknight]

When you have that much talent and lose the way they did, through bad coaching decisions, yes, you are overrated.

Never understood posts like Knightmoves.

So we should look at the rankings in any sport and only comment on those below? Then it's valid!

 

[Knight_Light]

Originally posted by RU-Choppin-Ohio:

The game may impact recruiting in the future.... you have 4 and 5 star guys sitting on the bench during crunch time, playing 15 minutes per game and they lose. Anywhere else those guys are playing 30 minutes per game. For example, the next few years Briscoe will play about 15 minutes per game. He will do a lot of watching on the bench.

Disagree, as NBA teams seem to live most if Calipari recruits and don't really care.if thise 1 or 2 and dones Ave 20-25 mins per game or 35 mins per game.

Calipari will stl win most of his recruiting battles, even if it means less PT for some top recruits.

 

[LotusAggressor]

The coaching mistake Calipari made was not trying to run Wisconsin out of the gym. Kentucky wasn't good enough in the half court to play that kind of game.

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This post was edited on 4/5 4:43 PM by LotusAggressor

 

[SkilletHead2]

I really dislike Kryschewski, Calipari, and Pitino. I might dislike Bo Ryan if I knew much about him, don't know.

But to say they are overrated?

Calipari took a Kentucky team that was stagnant, and basically returned them to being the best program in America. Nobody comes close to their NCAA record since Calipari took over.

As I said, I dislike him and think he is bad for the game, but if you wanted to go to the final four within three years, he is the #1 coach in the world you would pick.

 

[Loyal_2RU]

Originally posted by PatrickRU92:

Originally posted by bac2therac:
Lol no....he got a bunch of 18 year olds to win 38 straight games. They got beat in a classic game...and now he's overrated lol

Have to agree with bac here.

Great recruiter--yes
Great coach--yes
Grade A Slimebag--yes

Hey Patrick,
I don't think he is that big a slime bag. He seems to be very loyal to his players and maintain the relationships. I am confident that he plays within Kentucky's rules, whatever they are.
Peace out,
Loyal

 

[Caliknight]

Originally posted by SkilletHead2:
I really dislike Kryschewski, Calipari, and Pitino. I might dislike Bo Ryan if I knew much about him, don't know.

But to say they are overrated?

Calipari took a Kentucky team that was stagnant, and basically returned them to being the best program in America. Nobody comes close to their NCAA record since Calipari took over.

As I said, I dislike him and think he is bad for the game, but if you wanted to go to the final four within three years, he is the #1 coach in the world you would pick.

And if you want to go on probation, there isn't a better coach to hire. He is batting a thousand.

 

[SkilletHead2]

My bad. I thought we were talking about coaching.

 

[Caliknight]

It's all part of being a college coach.

But yeah, his game day skills are average. Coach K wins the championship with that talent on Kentucky. So do a number of other coaches. But recruiting is part of it and he gets it done, though questionably.

I'll give that to him though. It's a big part of why anyone is successful at that level.

 

[RUBOB72]

Yes 18 years old but perhaps equal in talent and certainly athletically as good as many 22 -23 players...It's just that Bo Ryan is a much better bench coach with pretty damn good talent...give Jordan the same and then we'll know is he going to do it...we don't even have 1 player capable of playing any minutes for those teams in the top 8.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Originally posted by Caliknight:
It's all part of being a college coach.

But yeah, his game day skills are average. Coach K wins the championship with that talent on Kentucky. So do a number of other coaches. But recruiting is part of it and he gets it done, though questionably.

I'll give that to him though. It's a big part of why anyone is successful at that level.

But not what you were talking about.

Coach K's teams have appled up with far more frequency than Calipari's. Is this the same Coach K that lost in the first round to Mercer last year, and to Lehigh in 2012?

If you want somebody who's coaching skills are overrated, you have to go no further than the famous Coach K.

 

[Local Shill]

We'd slice off our right nut to have a fraction of John's success. Overrated compared to what, Op?
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[Caliknight]

Of course we would. But that isn't the point. We suck.

UK has 5-9 potential NBA players. This thread is about them. Never mentioned Rutgers in the OP and never would. Are you of the Knightmoves school of thought that a fan of team can only comment on teams that are ranked below them? Very illogical.


Compared to the other coaches in the FF for starters. We can go from there.

 

[Mike from MD]

Calipari landed UMass and Memphis on probation. He earns over $6MM a year. Cheating scumbag definitely has the credentials for the Basketball HOF.

 

[SkilletHead2]

The term overrated is always a difficult one to argue, because you have to start with the notion that a person has a "rating" of some sort, and we might disagree on that.

Each of the coaches in the final four has an excellent reputation as a basketball coach.

But if, as Cali argues, recruiting is part of the deal, then it is clear that Calipari is the #1 college basketball coach in the nation today. His record is far superior to whomever you might put second. Whether his "oneness" is higher than it should be is counting the number of angels who can dance on the head of a pin.

He's the best there is right now. And he's a jerk. But to me, so are K, and Pitino, although K is maybe slightly less of a jerk.

 

[Knightmoves]

Originally posted by Caliknight:

Of course we would. But that isn't the point. We suck.

UK has 5-9 potential NBA players. This thread is about them. Never mentioned Rutgers in the OP and never would. Are you of the Knightmoves school of thought that a fan of team can only comment on teams that are ranked below them? Very illogical.


Compared to the other coaches in the FF for starters. We can go from there.

Bo Ryan lost to RU at the RAC this season. How do you heap praise on him when his team choked down the stretch in that game ? BTW we know that Kaminsky did not play. They still should have won by double digits.

yet Cal loses in the Final Four in a close game to go 38-1 with a young team and he's overrated ? As another poster mentioned above Coach K had a couple of early NCAA exits the past few years with 1st round NBA talent on his team. But that's OK in your book.

 

[rufeelinit]

Thought he did a very good job this year. Melding a group of 4 and 5 star kids to put the team first is not as easy as some might think. They lost primarily because they were young and made some mistakes down the stretch. They lost to a team that at least on one night was the better squad.

 

[richthedentist]

and wait till he leaves Kentucky you think any of these guys to class not a chance. there is no way this guy should even be allowed to be on a hall of fame ballot leaving 2 programs on probation and then moving on and making more money is a joke. there should be a rule that if the program is put on probation because of the coach than that coach should not be allowed to coach another NCAA team for a certain number of years. the new kids coming in are penalized but the coach just goes on to the next job and makes millions what a joke

 

[Mike from MD]

Originally posted by Knightmoves:

Originally posted by Caliknight:

Of course we would. But that isn't the point. We suck.

UK has 5-9 potential NBA players. This thread is about them. Never mentioned Rutgers in the OP and never would. Are you of the Knightmoves school of thought that a fan of team can only comment on teams that are ranked below them? Very illogical.


Compared to the other coaches in the FF for starters. We can go from there.

Bo Ryan lost to RU at the RAC this season. How do you heap praise on him when his team choked down the stretch in that game ? BTW we know that Kaminsky did not play. They still should have won by double digits.

yet Cal loses in the Final Four in a close game to go 38-1 with a young team and he's overrated ? As another poster mentioned above Coach K had a couple of early NCAA exits the past few years with 1st round NBA talent on his team. But that's OK in your book.

If anything your analogy demonstrates why Frank Kaminsky was named Player of the Year. He would have destroyed us had he played.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Then none of this would bother Calipari a bit because the NCAA didn't cite him in either of the previous situations.

But sooner or later this all will come a cropper, because the lack of fairness is apparent to anyone who looks at it.

 

[Crimedog2]

Caliparri is a great coach! I suggested years ago Rutgers take a run at him before he had major success at Memphis. People on this board roasted me for even suggesting it. These people wanted to keep GW here because they thought he would win lol
Should have hired Cal or Huggins back when we had a chance. One year of them would have been better than the garbage we got.