Calipari is overrated

[higgins3]

Cali- But yeah, his game day skills are average I agree with you here.

Calipari is an excellent recruiter and is phenomenal at managing egos. 5 star players think they run the world most days.

I wouldn't be surprised if all their parents drove Mercedes benz either.

A coach in college is what- a recruiter, a teacher, a manager of egos,

I think Calipari is excellent at 2/3 of those. A phenomenal teacher- I think he is just above average. If you have 5 star talent coming in, you don't need to be an excellent teacher.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

Is Las Vegas taking bets on when his Kentucky wins will be vacated, when Kentucky is put on probation,when Calipari goes back to the NBA,etc. ?

 

[MADHAT1]

Originally posted by Mike from MD:

Originally posted by Knightmoves:

Originally posted by Caliknight:

Of course we would. But that isn't the point. We suck.

UK has 5-9 potential NBA players. This thread is about them. Never mentioned Rutgers in the OP and never would. Are you of the Knightmoves school of thought that a fan of team can only comment on teams that are ranked below them? Very illogical.


Compared to the other coaches in the FF for starters. We can go from there.

Bo Ryan lost to RU at the RAC this season. How do you heap praise on him when his team choked down the stretch in that game ? BTW we know that Kaminsky did not play. They still should have won by double digits.

yet Cal loses in the Final Four in a close game to go 38-1 with a young team and he's overrated ? As another poster mentioned above Coach K had a couple of early NCAA exits the past few years with 1st round NBA talent on his team. But that's OK in your book.

If anything your analogy demonstrates why Frank Kaminsky was named Player of the Year. He would have destroyed us had he played.

You're wrong

Frank the Tank wouldn't have destroyed RU, Kaminsky playing woulds have assured the Scarlet Knights destroyed the Badgers that game.
With his concussion like symptoms, Frank would have forgot he's a Badger and been Rutgers' 6th man on the floor

 

[Caliknight]

Originally posted by higgins3:

Cali- But yeah, his game day skills are average I agree with you here.

Calipari is an excellent recruiter and is phenomenal at managing egos. 5 star players think they run the world most days.

I wouldn't be surprised if all their parents drove Mercedes benz either.

A coach in college is what- a recruiter, a teacher, a manager of egos,

I think Calipari is excellent at 2/3 of those. A phenomenal teacher- I think he is just above average. If you have 5 star talent coming in, you don't need to be an excellent teacher.

I agree with this. The OP was simply about drilling down to his game day coaching specifically, which I still contend is average, or maybe slightly above.

He made tremendous errors in the Wisconsin game, namely taking his team of thoroughbreds and pulling the reigns up with 5 minutes left. They didn't do that all year, but he decides to in the FF? No good game day coach makes that move.

You could see it in the players eyes. They didn't know what do to do, because they had never done it before. 3 shot clock violations at that point was all on Calipari. Wisconsin is a terrific half court team, on both O and D. Playing the shot clock down, when you didn't do that all year, and then going to the 1 4 and asking your kid to make a play with time running out is horrible decision making. But that is what average coaches who primarily rely on talent do. Make bad decisions at crunch time.

The smarter thing to do would have been to get more possessions, by shooting earlier in the clock. It wouldn't have given Wisconsin a chance to set their D, and Kentucky can score. More possessions= more points. And they are a points team. They aren't a slow down team, and you never ask your kids to do things they don't always do.

 

[SkilletHead2]

Hindsight is an exact science. Easy to pick apart his only loss. He won a number of close games this year, including the one over Notre Dame.

In terms of game day coaching, in my mind he's not certainly not in the league of the Brad Stevens' or Pete Carrill's of the world; those guys were amazing. Average? He's well above average. Part of game day coaching is getting your guys to go out and play hard and as a team, even with gigantic egos. In this regard, Calipari is in the Pat Riley-sphere.

But overall, sadly, he is the best there is in the college game today. By a lot.

 

[higgins3]

No doubt,Cali. Just didn't get it through to his players in the clutch minutes. He is very successful but just a little above average coach. I would say he was a good coach+

Hopefully Duke wins. Didn't like those badgers in the RAC and i don't like them now.

 

[Knightmoves]

I agree with this. The OP was simply about drilling down to his game day coaching specifically, which I still contend is average, or maybe slightly above.

He made tremendous errors in the Wisconsin game, namely taking his team of thoroughbreds and pulling the reigns up with 5 minutes left. They didn't do that all year, but he decides to in the FF? No good game day coach makes that move.

You could see it in the players eyes. They didn't know what do to do, because they had never done it before. 3 shot clock violations at that point was all on Calipari. Wisconsin is a terrific half court team, on both O and D. Playing the shot clock down, when you didn't do that all year, and then going to the 1 4 and asking your kid to make a play with time running out is horrible decision making. But that is what average coaches who primarily rely on talent do. Make bad decisions at crunch time.

The smarter thing to do would have been to get more possessions, by shooting earlier in the clock. It wouldn't have given Wisconsin a chance to set their D, and Kentucky can score. More possessions= more points. And they are a points team. They aren't a slow down team, and you never ask your kids to do things they don't always do.

In CFB we call these types of posts Monday Morning QB'ing. In MBB many of us just call it a crock of you know what.

why not just say you hate Calipari ? Then you won't have to go through the charades to try to prove he's not a HOF coach. Which he is to 99% of the sports world BTW. Only those with an axe to grind fail to acknowledge his achievements.

 

[Caliknight]

Originally posted by Knightmoves:

I agree with this. The OP was simply about drilling down to his game day coaching specifically, which I still contend is average, or maybe slightly above.

He made tremendous errors in the Wisconsin game, namely taking his team of thoroughbreds and pulling the reigns up with 5 minutes left. They didn't do that all year, but he decides to in the FF? No good game day coach makes that move.

You could see it in the players eyes. They didn't know what do to do, because they had never done it before. 3 shot clock violations at that point was all on Calipari. Wisconsin is a terrific half court team, on both O and D. Playing the shot clock down, when you didn't do that all year, and then going to the 1 4 and asking your kid to make a play with time running out is horrible decision making. But that is what average coaches who primarily rely on talent do. Make bad decisions at crunch time.

The smarter thing to do would have been to get more possessions, by shooting earlier in the clock. It wouldn't have given Wisconsin a chance to set their D, and Kentucky can score. More possessions= more points. And they are a points team. They aren't a slow down team, and you never ask your kids to do things they don't always do.

In CFB we call these types of posts Monday Morning QB'ing. In MBB many of us just call it a crock of you know what.

why not just say you hate Calipari ? Then you won't have to go through the charades to try to prove he's not a HOF coach. Which he is to 99% of the sports world BTW. Only those with an axe to grind fail to acknowledge his achievements.

Hate him? I don't even know him. It is as silly as saying you are in love with him.

Call it what you want. He blew it at the most crucial time in the game, and lots of people are saying it, not just me. See the ESPN front page recently?

 

[SkilletHead2]

25-11 career in OT games.
38-13 career in the tourney.
633-177 career games overall.

Imagine how good he would be if he could only coach.

 

[greenknight]

All things aside his team is a direct reflection of that piece of dog poop. They are classless just like him. If one of my kids walked off the floor w/o shaking hands that kid would be running for hours until he understood what sportsmanship was. It pains me Briscoe from my alma mater is going to play for that a-hole

 

[RUPartisan]

Every AD in the country and half the NBA owners would spray their shorts if Calipari said he wanted to coach their team. We get it some people dislike and even hate him including myself but to allow that to cloud your judgement leads to these silly overrated proclamations.

 

[Caliknight]

Originally posted by greenknight:
All things aside his team is a direct reflection of that piece of dog poop. They are classless just like him. If one of my kids walked off the floor w/o shaking hands that kid would be running for hours until he understood what sportsmanship was. It pains me Briscoe from my alma mater is going to play for that a-hole

I don't personally know him, but from speaking to those that do, well, they have said he isn't a swell guy.

I would imagine most coaches aren't though.

 

[Knightmoves]

Originally posted by greenknight:
All things aside his team is a direct reflection of that piece of dog poop. They are classless just like him. If one of my kids walked off the floor w/o shaking hands that kid would be running for hours until he understood what sportsmanship was. It pains me Briscoe from my alma mater is going to play for that a-hole

Interesting POV, considering that Roselle Catholic gave Briscoe an unauthorized scholarship to play for them. He really wanted to go to UC in Scotch Plains but they wouldn't break the rules and pay his way under the table. That why he ended up at RC, because his father saw no reason to pay tuition at UC when RC bent the rules for them and paid his way.

 

[MADHAT1]

Calipari is a good gameday coach and his overall record proves that fact.
Because he's disliked by many, doesn't mean he's only a recruiter that the players win the games he coaches,
not his strategy to use the talent he has on the floor, the best possible way, to win the games he coaches.