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Cam Spencer

Tonight, he was handling the ball because no one else could, and then was trying to put up 3s off the dribble with a man on him, which is not his game. I do not think this game will be indicative of the rest of the season, because Spencer should be playing off the ball. We need to use Spencer the way the Nets use Joe Harris, running through screens to get open 3 point looks.
 
At one point our starting backcourt had to be 0-15.

He was not impressive today.
Yep, they were a combined 0-15 at one point in the 2nd half, as I noted in the game thread. Both Spencer and Simpson were simply bad today, shooting-wise, when it counted, although Spencer did help fuel the comeback in the last 10 minutes with some nice plays and better defense than earlier. Simpson has a lot of potential and I'm sure will play better, especially when he can come off the bench to be the energy sub vs. being relied on to run the point, which he's not ready for against quality opponents, like Temple. Spencer is also better, IMO, as a complementary player on offense, rather than as a guy expected to be a scorer, since he's not great at creating his own shot against athletic guards. Fortunately, the announcers sounded optimistic about both Paul and Caleb being back soon - let's hope that's correct (and that they're not rushed back).
 
At one point our starting backcourt had to be 0-15.

He was not impressive today.

Not impressive. Probably not his fault though. His skill set calls for a distributor. Simpson just wasn’t ready to be in the spot we put him in. Not yet. That kid has tons of promise though and will grow throughout the season. If Paul can’t go for Rider, I hope Miller gets more practice time in game prep with the first team. He gave 11 solid minutes. We need him to step up and run the point for 20ish minutes. I’m not saying necessarily strip a ton of Simpson’s PT. Spencer and Hyatt don’t need to play 39 and 37 minutes either.

Need guys to be fresh. We’re a defense first team. That’s obvious - we did step things up in the second half and that matters. A 6 point loss hurts the computer numbers a lot less than the blow out we were headed towards.
 
Right now Simpson would be best playing 10-15 minutes off the bench, but team needs more now.

Simpson has potential, but so do a lot of players. Right now he is a 2 guard playing point guard.

Need to know if he can shoot. His shot looks very flat, but so did Michael Jordan’s. So far his shooting numbers are real bad.
 
First time I saw Spencer and I can only hope his game suffered as much as anyone from not having PM on the floor. He did not appear to be able to get his own shot and needs an effective half court offense to get him open catch and shoot looks. Regardless of what his final stat line looked like he did not strike me as someone who will be able to take a credible defender 1 on 1.
 
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Most of Spencer’s points were drives late in semi-gar-bage time when Temple wasn’t fouling. Can’t get open and we don’t seem to do anything to get him free. Troubling.
Exactly. The only shooter we have and we do nothing to get him open.
 
Exactly. The only shooter we have and we do nothing to get him open.
I have PTSD from years of watching other teams working and succeeding to get their sharpshooter open for threes. We haven’t done this one time and I’ve seen every minute of 4 regular games and 1 exhibition.
 
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Right now Simpson would be best playing 10-15 minutes off the bench, but team needs more now.

Simpson has potential, but so do a lot of players. Right now he is a 2 guard playing point guard.

Need to know if he can shoot. His shot looks very flat, but so did Michael Jordan’s. So far his shooting numbers are real bad.
Simpson was thrust into a very difficult roll 4 games into his college career. He's going to be fine. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.
The other 4 experienced starters shit the bed in the first half. I'd be more concerned about them. Part of their job is to help a guy like Simpson. They looked just as lost as he did. Concerning...
 
Simpson was thrust into a very difficult roll 4 games into his college career. He's going to be fine. If you can't see that, I don't know what to tell you.
The other 4 experienced starters shit the bed in the first half. I'd be more concerned about them. Part of their job is to help a guy like Simpson. They looked just as lost as he did. Concerning...
You simply can't say a guy shooting 11-41 is going to be fine. He might be but that's not a proclamation you can just make with confidence.
 
Spencer is used to playing under a system offense where ball movement and screens provided open 3 point shots.Without Mulcahy Rutgers has no point guard on the court which means Spencer loses his offensive effectiveness.He doesn't have the offensive quickness like a Cory Sanders to create and make shots off the dribble.I still like Spencer because of his all around game on offense and defense.
 
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You simply can't say a guy shooting 11-41 is going to be fine. He might be but that's not a proclamation you can just make with confidence.
Sure I can. You can disagree, that's fine. He passes the eye test for me. He instinctively knows how to play the game and has the physical talent to do so. Good enough for me. Btw... Same is true for Woolfork...imo

Your stats are skewed bc of 1 horrendous game and a small sample size. I don't fault him for yesterday. His 4 upperclassmen teammates should have helped reduce his burden. They didn't.
 
Yep, they were a combined 0-15 at one point in the 2nd half, as I noted in the game thread. Both Spencer and Simpson were simply bad today, shooting-wise, when it counted, although Spencer did help fuel the comeback in the last 10 minutes with some nice plays and better defense than earlier. Simpson has a lot of potential and I'm sure will play better, especially when he can come off the bench to be the energy sub vs. being relied on to run the point, which he's not ready for against quality opponents, like Temple. Spencer is also better, IMO, as a complementary player on offense, rather than as a guy expected to be a scorer, since he's not great at creating his own shot against athletic guards. Fortunately, the announcers sounded optimistic about both Paul and Caleb being back soon - let's hope that's correct (and that they're not rushed back).
Looking at Caleb’s average points per game last year (7.5), doesn’t get the juices flowing for him being an offensive threat. Paul averaged approx. 4.5 ppg. No offensive juggernaut there as well. So if Spencer is not on his game, where will the major number of points come from?
 
Sure I can. You can disagree, that's fine. He passes the eye test for me. He instinctively knows how to play the game and has the physical talent to do so. Good enough for me. Btw... Same is true for Woolfork...imo

Your stats are skewed bc of 1 horrendous game and a small sample size. I don't fault him for yesterday. His 4 upperclassmen teammates should have helped reduce his burden. They didn't.
He shot 10-30 in his first three games against lower level competition. It's not only skewed by the Temple game.

Compare that to what Harper did in his first couple games. Or what the freshman PG at Purdue (also a 3 star guy) has done so far.
 
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Looking at Caleb’s average points per game last year (7.5), doesn’t get the juices flowing for him being an offensive threat. Paul averaged approx. 4.5 ppg. No offensive juggernaut there as well. So if Spencer is not on his game, where will the major number of points come from?
Exactly! The hope is that Caleb has developed a consistent offensive game to go with his lock down defense. Unfortunately that was not guaranteed meaning that Priority #1 for Pike after last season was to replace the points of Ron and Geo. I think that is exactly why Cam was brought in.

I like Cam's game a lot - he does a lot of good small things on offense and defense. But can he take over a game/be the Go To scorer in the B1G the way Geo or Ron could? I'm not seeing that - I don't think it's his game. I think he is a major, solid role player - but that still leaves some holes on our team unfortunately.

I disagree about Simpson - I think he is our path to the next level, and the sooner we get him there the better. On top of that we simply don't have any other options right now. He's still a Freshman, but with Paul and Caleb out I think you need to throw him into the fire and have 1 coach assigned to him to talk him through the game. I see Simpson as the guy who is taking over for Ron and Geo, but it's going to be an uphill climb for a bit.
 
Exactly! The hope is that Caleb has developed a consistent offensive game to go with his lock down defense. Unfortunately that was not guaranteed meaning that Priority #1 for Pike after last season was to replace the points of Ron and Geo. I think that is exactly why Cam was brought in.

I like Cam's game a lot - he does a lot of good small things on offense and defense. But can he take over a game/be the Go To scorer in the B1G the way Geo or Ron could? I'm not seeing that - I don't think it's his game. I think he is a major, solid role player - but that still leaves some holes on our team unfortunately.

I disagree about Simpson - I think he is our path to the next level, and the sooner we get him there the better. On top of that we simply don't have any other options right now. He's still a Freshman, but with Paul and Caleb out I think you need to throw him into the fire and have 1 coach assigned to him to talk him through the game. I see Simpson as the guy who is taking over for Ron and Geo, but it's going to be an uphill climb for a bit.
I worry about both Caleb and our fan base thinking he needs to score 15-20 pts a game this year. Yes he had a very nice offensive game against ND in the tournament last year but that struck me as an outlier performance. He can be a complementary offensive piece and will help keep opposing teams honest, I don't think we are successful if he is our leading scorer.
 
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Was forced to handle the ball too much due to Paul’s absence and Simpson’s ineffectiveness. He is better playing off the ball a little more so he can spot up.
That was the key to the game right there. They had to make that adjustment or they get blown out.
Give Simpson another 10 games under his belt and we win this game easily.
It's great that he's underrated from not playing high-level AAU and that's a big part of why we got him but it also shows.
 
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Can will be fine..guy has a great bball IQ. Can’t say the same for about half our players.

Once Caleb comes back he eats more of Mags minutes which quiets the erratic play at times and adds a lockdown defender which was needed yesterday. between Caleb and Cam steals will be up up up.

PM comes back and then you get a flow of an offense albeit one this is more in control and slower which isn’t always the best but you lack the turnovers and you have a leader in the floor.

It’s Cliff, PM, Caleb, Spencer, Hyatt.

Simpson spells PM/Cam
Mag spells Hyatt/Caleb
rieber/woolfolk spealls cliff
Jalen

Keep that 9 man rotation
 
Cam is an athletic guy who plays a half-beat slower than everyone else, and makes that pace work for him. He’s savvy with good court vision and makes few mistakes and very few turnovers.

Great anticipation and sneaky quick hands on D make him an excellent team defender. He’s money at the foul line, and when his shots from the field are dropping he is our best all-around player.
 
Just re-watch the offense in the first half. It was horrendous. No movement, very rarely a ball screen, not once did they try to get their only shooter open. It was like they were just thrown out there with no plan.
And a bunch of stupid turnovers....and laughable shot selection.
Team looked uninspired and overmatched in the first half.
 
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I have PTSD from years of watching other teams working and succeeding to get their sharpshooter open for threes. We haven’t done this one time and I’ve seen every minute of 4 regular games and 1 exhibition.
Palmquisk had two wide open three point attempts, one from each corner, both rimmed out. Then he did not play again IIRC.
 
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