Can Flood Redeem Himself?
- Thread starter Knight Shift
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The first 3 years Dantonio years Massey composite ratings (includes his two WORST seasons):
46 Michigan St
28 Michigan St
57 Michigan St
The BEST 2 Flood years Massey composite ratings:
47 Rutgers
48 Rutgers
Try harder, OP.
46 Michigan St
28 Michigan St
57 Michigan St
The BEST 2 Flood years Massey composite ratings:
47 Rutgers
48 Rutgers
Try harder, OP.
IIRC 4 of those 5 loses were to top ten teams that year: UL, WVU, VT, & Ohio State. He beat Rutgers when it was Top Ten.
Yeah, the parallel to a failed OL coach who gets blown out to every team with a pulse is uncanny.
I clearly said in my OP that Flood was no Dantonio, but you missed that part. I was pointing out that as coach of MSU and after all the off field stuff, Dantonio was retained. Imagine if they fired him. He would have been fired if this occurred at Rutgers.
Flood is not a good coach though. Rankings do matter. But great coaches can overcome being out recruited when they out coach their opponent
may just keep one ticket to maintain points and parking...im seriously thinking of doing this, not going to waste good money on garbage, I have done plenty of that for basketball
It's not a matter of Flood redeeming himself. It's a matter of whether or not he has what it takes to get the job done. At the start of the season I was hopeful. Now I know better. I always knew he was kind of a long shot, but after last season, it looked like maybe it could come together. It didn't and it won't. End of story. Time to move on. Only question is, will it happen end of this year or after next.
So your argument is that rutgers has no patience when it comes to coaches and we fire football coaches at the drop of a hat? Do you realize how not true that is or are you so befuddled by your love for fludd that you just can't see it?
Do you know how childish you sound spelling Flood that way? It's beneath third grade.
No, that's not my point. Rutgers appears to have patience, or more likely, no guts to pull the trigger. Love for Flood? Do your research on my posts the last several weeks like you plumb the depths of NCAA statistics and rankings and you will find out how wrong you are.
And I am not arguing anything. I am just posting the truth and facts. But some of you can't handle the truth or facts or what goes on in other places. You are so befuddled with hatred, you can't see how other places handle these things-like this: http://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/th...ed-on-two-counts-of-disorderly-conduct.52880/
When it comes to anything Rutgers, many of our fans seem willing to throw our own under the bus without giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Maybe Flood will be around long enough to let the arrested players who may get jail time back on the team after they serve their sentences.
Beat Maryland convincingly and have some 4 and 5 star recruits commit for 2016 , then he's on the road to redemption. That probably means some kids need to be convinced to flip to RU from the school they already committed to.
Bring in a top 20 class of 2016 recruiting class and that road will be a little smoother .
But if ( which I suspect will happen) Flood comes back 2016 season, he must prove he can be a good HC and have the team play competitively against all the top opponents , while beating the 2nd tier ones easily.
Bring in a top 20 class of 2016 recruiting class and that road will be a little smoother .
But if ( which I suspect will happen) Flood comes back 2016 season, he must prove he can be a good HC and have the team play competitively against all the top opponents , while beating the 2nd tier ones easily.
He is clearly befloodled ! Sorry, I could not resist.
So I take it we're in the "bargaining" phase now? Only depression & acceptance to go!
It's amazing how many people still hope Flood can "grow into being a head coach"
He wasn't a hot shot coordinator. He was the last guy in the room.
He wasn't a hot shot coordinator. He was the last guy in the room.
If that's a reflection on me, the OP, I'll make you look like that self portrait I posted of you on the Free Ron Jeremy thread! (and of course, we would have to fight virtually, online, because in real life, I am 98 pounds soaking wet).
We are making progress. Soon it will be a full scale bromance, and we may be arm in arm singing On the Banks of the Old Raritan after Flood wins the B1G championship next year. :flush:[roll][sick]
Disagree. It's not hating, review his body of work and that work shows he can't compete with teams that have a pulse. I am not expecting to go 11-1 and beat Ohio State every year but can't we at leas look competitive and not get blown out so often? I'd like to see us getting better but I don't see signs of that. Therefore most of us want him gone. No hatred. We just want a coach who is capable of moving program to the next level.
Very reasonable post Knight Shift. However, the anti-Floodites are dug in. It's like spitting into the wind.
No worries. I was referring to how people responded to your OP.
And anyway I never hurt anybody that didn't deserve it. (A slight misquote from Chris Walken - who can name the movie?)
Two 10+ wins in a row and we'll be funding a statue of Flood in front of the Hale Center.... And you can see changing your mind?
You are way off base here and sound like an irrational fool.
Flood has no business being a CFB Head Coach and the majority of sane folks agree.
While yes, "after all the off field stuff, Dantonio was retained." there is one critical difference that is very relevant - Dantonio did not create a personal integrity issue - he was not personally caught up in a situation where he, in multiple ways, willfully disregarded university policy & took elaborate steps to attempt to avoid being caught doing so.
As far as Flood's on field performance - by purely record alone, a muddled case could be made for allowing him another year - in general, a coach at a program with a history like RU's - who gets to 3 bowl games & then misses one does not get shown to the door. He typically gets a bit more rope. However, if the on field performance is given critic examination, and quality of decision making is assessed, Flood would be in a lot more danger.
I dearly want a better coach - there was a time where I could try to be patient & understanding - a time when I might wince but say 'well OK maybe he can put something better together next year' - but - all of my 'benefit of the doubt' and 'patience & understanding' dissolved with the willful circumventing of university policy.... so, if the sharks come for you Kyle ....you put yourself in this spot - good luck you are on your own.
As far as Flood's on field performance - by purely record alone, a muddled case could be made for allowing him another year - in general, a coach at a program with a history like RU's - who gets to 3 bowl games & then misses one does not get shown to the door. He typically gets a bit more rope. However, if the on field performance is given critic examination, and quality of decision making is assessed, Flood would be in a lot more danger.
I dearly want a better coach - there was a time where I could try to be patient & understanding - a time when I might wince but say 'well OK maybe he can put something better together next year' - but - all of my 'benefit of the doubt' and 'patience & understanding' dissolved with the willful circumventing of university policy.... so, if the sharks come for you Kyle ....you put yourself in this spot - good luck you are on your own.
So, Knight Shift, in making the highlighted statement above, are you saying that Flood didn't learn a lesson by giving Peele and Barnwell additional chances or that you didn't learn a lesson?
Now, I am not saying that there aren't some misdeeds that deserve second chances, especially when we're dealing with 18-22 year olds, there are many. However, any of our players who get jail time should not be welcomed back. Out of the players arrested, the only one I can think of who I would consider reinstating would be the walkon FB Gross. Every other one, either they are already a repeat offender or their crime was too serious to consider reinstatement.
The way things are going for Rutgers, someone needs to tell Barchi and Flood to turn off the lights on the way out. When spring arrives the idiot leadership will realize the number of renewals for season tickets actual cost the school more than saving a buck by keeping Flood. Again swallow elephants whole, but choke on gnats.:(
An assured five-year path to parity with the top of the B1G would be a deal that any reasonable person should take in a heartbeat. The critical issue in many minds is that it simply does not look like any progress is being made toward the goal - in fact, in the eyes of many, it appears that things are regressing.
What can Flood do to redeem himself? Well for one he can start by not being so stubborn, let' say against MD Laviano has a terrible first few drives, make a change, give Rettig a shot, what does he have to lose? Stop rotating all the backs, give Hicks/Martin/James the start and let them get in the groove. Play Defense not to lose but to win, I want to see aggressive style of D, blitzing, go after the QB,.....Start by winning against MD and the big one is if he can keep the class together, mostly Russo and other few top recruits we have, can he make sure they sign with us? Improve recruiting, sign a Top 10 recruit from NJ.
