Can this team still make the NCAA's? Well...

[seels2662]

I know people will facepalm but hear me out

First, we are not going to be a 20 win team. I am not saying that. Nor am I saying there is a high percentage of us hearing our name on selection Sunday. However...

I don't think a run in the B1G tourney is a herculean task this year. There are not alot of teams in our division that will smoke us. And one of those teams (Minnesota) is getting hit with the injury bug and may not be the same team that we played in December. This is a combination of us getting a little better and the league getting a little worse. There are even a small number of teams that I believe we would be the favorite in the game if we play them in the tournament. Plus this year the tourney is in MSG-they are coming to us. If we get a favorable seed, specifically keeping Purdue in the opposite side of the bracket as us, I think we can win multiple games in the tournament. The ball bounces our way, and who knows....

 

[RU89]

I know people will facepalm but hear me out

First, we are not going to be a 20 win team. I am not saying that. Nor am I saying there is a high percentage of us hearing our name on selection Sunday. However...

I don't think a run in the B1G tourney is a herculean task this year. There are not alot of teams in our division that will smoke us. And one of those teams (Minnesota) is getting hit with the injury bug and may not be the same team that we played in December. This is a combination of us getting a little better and the league getting a little worse. There are even a small number of teams that I believe we would be the favorite in the game if we play them in the tournament. Plus this year the tourney is in MSG-they are coming to us. If we get a favorable seed, specifically keeping Purdue in the opposite side of the bracket as us, I think we can win multiple games in the tournament. The ball bounces our way, and who knows....

Nice thought but just don't see it. There is no way we run through the Big Ten Tournament and win the whole thing, so those 2 losses to Stony Brook and Hartford and the near miss last night make this nearly impossible in my opinion. Win those three and at 14-4 you would be on to something. No face palm because this team deserves our respect, but otherwise, no way.

 

[kcg88]

Best-case scenario we get the 10 seed so we'd only have to play four games. This is already optimistic because it would require some collapses for us to beat out four other teams Iowa and Illinois will be at the bottom but then you're hoping for... Wisconsin I guess (they still have four games against MSU/Purdue), and then maybe one of Indiana/Nebraska to fall off? Nebraska is 3-2 and their only losses are to MSU and Purdue. Indiana is also 3-2. But fine, let's be charitable and say we get to #10.

Figure our game against the #7 seed, we'd be something like 40% to win? Then we'd have to knock off the #2 seed, a game in which we'd be like... 15% at most? (Yes we've played MSU tough twice but we've also lost by 20+ to Minnesota and 30+ to Purdue). Then we'd have to play the 6 vs. 3 winner, let's be nice and say 6 knocks off 3. Then we're about 30%. Then in the title game let's say the 8 seed makes another run (as Michigan did last year). We'd be about 30% again.

40% * 15% * 30% * 30% = a 0.54% chance of this happening. Cut that in half to 0.27% if we're an 11-14 seed.

 

[seels2662]

Nice thought but just don't see it. There is no way we run through the Big Ten Tournament and win the whole thing, so those 2 losses to Stony Brook and Hartford and the near miss last night make this nearly impossible in my opinion. Win those three and at 14-4 you would be on to something. No face palm because this team deserves our respect, but otherwise, no way.

StonyHart has zero to do with where we are seeded in the tournament. This is not about a record right now, this team is better regardless of record.

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Next six games present plenty of opportunities for us. I am eager to see how we follow up last night since we have been probe to the letdown

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Best-case scenario we get the 10 seed so we'd only have to play four games. This is already optimistic because it would require some collapses for us to beat out four other teams Iowa and Illinois will be at the bottom but then you're hoping for... Wisconsin I guess (they still have four games against MSU/Purdue), and then maybe one of Indiana/Nebraska to fall off? Nebraska is 3-2 and their only losses are to MSU and Purdue. Indiana is also 3-2. But fine, let's be charitable and say we get to #10.

Figure our game against the #7 seed, we'd be something like 40% to win? Then we'd have to knock off the #2 seed, a game in which we'd be like... 15% at most? (Yes we've played MSU tough twice but we've also lost by 20+ to Minnesota and 30+ to Purdue). Then we'd have to play the 6 vs. 3 winner, let's be nice and say 6 knocks off 3. Then we're about 30%. Then in the title game let's say the 8 seed makes another run (as Michigan did last year). We'd be about 30% again.

40% * 15% * 30% * 30% = a 0.54% chance of this happening. Cut that in half to 0.27% if we're an 11-14 seed.

It is still a long shot to get to 10. A record of 6-12 is less than a 50/50 chance. All 14 teams in the B1G have too much talent to expect more than 1 to fall apart.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Has a team ever won 5 games in 5 days to win a tournament before?

 

[RUJMM78]

The only goal worth talking about is having a winning season .Yes,Rutgers can pull off a upset in the league tournament but then the competition gets tougher and requires more scoring to just stay in games.Every remaining home game will be a warm up to the B1G Tournament as to attendance and possible individual matchups.

 

[MV9000]

We arent making the tournament..... not there yet as a team. Not even close.

Hopefully CBI invites us... Hartford/Stony losses kill.

 

[JavaDunk18]

Possible, yes, by practically winning out reg season..realistically, absolute best would be making it to Dayton..NIT, however, ooks very possible

 

[dpwhite]

Has a team ever won 5 games in 5 days to win a tournament before?

I believe it happened in the old Big East a few times. Definitely UConn did it. I think the Kemba Walker season.

 

[MGSA99]

I believe it happened in the old Big East a few times. Definitely UConn did it. I think the Kemba Walker season.

Correct - 2011 UConn won 5 games in 5 days to win their way into the NCAA tournament. Then they won 6 more in a row.

 

[mikefla]

Before the season started I dont recall anyone worried about whether we make the NCAAs.
The fact that some are asking speaks volumes.

Most of us would have signed up for the NITs in a heartbeat.

The StoneyHart losses loom large....sadly

I see the NIT in our future

 

[ScarletLongIsland]

Has a team ever won 5 games in 5 days to win a tournament before?

Uconn

 

[G- RUnit]

Frustrating that Minny collapses after playing us and Northwestern gets their act together.

 

[King of S]

N.I.T. Is a good stepping stone.

 

[ruman]

16 wins - its still all about getting 16 wins in the regular season

Have to knock down that target first

 

[ruman]

We arent making the tournament..... not there yet as a team. Not even close.

Hopefully CBI invites us... Hartford/Stony losses kill.

You buy into the CBI - so yes we could go with a losing record

 

[winfield102]

5 wins in 5 days with no offense? No chance. None.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Our time to make hay ...as I said in October ...was these next 6 games. I was figuring 1-4...and we needed to take 5 of 6 here to have a shot at an at large.

Realistically ....at this point.....I would love to take 3 and be 14-10 (4-7) with 7 games to go

Let’s revisit this topic after these 6 games ...

 

[bac2therac]

I know people will facepalm but hear me out

First, we are not going to be a 20 win team. I am not saying that. Nor am I saying there is a high percentage of us hearing our name on selection Sunday. However...

I don't think a run in the B1G tourney is a herculean task this year. There are not alot of teams in our division that will smoke us. And one of those teams (Minnesota) is getting hit with the injury bug and may not be the same team that we played in December. This is a combination of us getting a little better and the league getting a little worse. There are even a small number of teams that I believe we would be the favorite in the game if we play them in the tournament. Plus this year the tourney is in MSG-they are coming to us. If we get a favorable seed, specifically keeping Purdue in the opposite side of the bracket as us, I think we can win multiple games in the tournament. The ball bounces our way, and who knows....

NO

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

Our time to make hay ...as I said in October ...was these next 6 games. I was figuring 1-4...and we needed to take 5 of 6 here to have a shot at an at large.

Realistically ....at this point.....I would love to take 3 and be 14-10 (4-7) with 7 games to go

Let’s revisit this topic after these 6 games ...

Sun Jan 14 32 Ohio St. L, 70-64 69 31% Home
Wed Jan 17 90 Iowa W, 72-70 71 56% Home
Sun Jan 21 26 Michigan L, 67-55 63 14% Away
Wed Jan 24 83 Nebraska W, 66-65 68 54% Home
Sat Jan 27 44 Penn St. L, 72-61 70 17% Away
Tue Jan 30 87 Illinois L, 70-65 72 31% Away

That is 2.03 wins. Sign me up for 3 14-10 (4-7). Then we look at the final 7.

We know the staff has laid the foundation, can motivate, and is fine from X and O standpoint. The next 14+ games is about selling HS freshmen and sophomore and a few juniors (hopefully) a path for success. Unfortunately the foundation, getting team to play D, and X and Os alone is not enough.

 

[bac2therac]

Has a team ever won 5 games in 5 days to win a tournament before?

no but Michigan won 4 in 4 last year and our fans were using the excuse that RU was blown out by Northwestern because it was playing on consecutive days

Look last night was great, but at the end of the day, RU still lost, had they beat MSU, this question could be more appropriate. RU is most likely to going to be doing this alot....playing close and coming up short. This team has such a small margin of error that talking about a Big 10 tourney run at this point in the year seems overreaching

 

[bac2therac]

Sun Jan 14 32 Ohio St. L, 70-64 69 31% Home
Wed Jan 17 90 Iowa W, 72-70 71 56% Home
Sun Jan 21 26 Michigan L, 67-55 63 14% Away
Wed Jan 24 83 Nebraska W, 66-65 68 54% Home
Sat Jan 27 44 Penn St. L, 72-61 70 17% Away
Tue Jan 30 87 Illinois L, 70-65 72 31% Away

That is 2.03 wins. Sign me up for 3 14-10 (4-7). Then we look at the final 7.

We know the staff has laid the foundation, can motivate, and is fine from X and O standpoint. The next 14+ games is about selling HS freshmen and sophomore and a few juniors (hopefully) a path for success. Unfortunately the foundation, getting team to play D, and X and Os alone is not enough.

I would sign up for 6-12/16-15 and one win in B10 tourney to go 17-16...gimme the pen

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

I would sign up for 6-12/16-15 and one win in B10 tourney to go 17-16...gimme the pen

No doubt.....and I do NOT want CBI!

The off season is more important than preparing for CBI games. There has to be a sense of urgency with a lack of enough time to do what is necessary to be better in October.

 

[bac2therac]

yeah I am not all that big on CBI...I would want all the games to be played AWAY if we did it, playing home at the RAC against mediocre programs does not help IMO...thats why I wouldnt even want to go the CBI route. Team needs to crave success at the highest level...CBI level meh not sure its the right message after you are beating teams like SHU and come within hair of beating MSU

 

[MV9000]

You buy into the CBI - so yes we could go with a losing record

Never said anything to the contrary. Simply noted the killer of those two losses.

I would like to see us in the CBI. I think we have quite a few more wins in us this year! GO RU.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

We play a Big Ten conference schedule. The CBI is a complete waste of time. When we’re done, we’re done. The minute our weak out of conference schedule was announced our only path to the NCAAs was to win the Big Ten Tournament. That schedule probably also made it extremely remote that we would even have a realistic chance of playing our way into NIT contention since the power rankings would be so weak.

 

[dpwhite]

If...IF... Rutgers finishes over .500 (I know you don't have to be), I could see the team and Pikiell considering it to reward Mike and Deshawn with Rutgers' first postseason tournament in 12 years. I wouldn't guarantee it, but I could see it.

 

[ColonelRutgers]

If...IF... Rutgers finishes over .500 (I know you don't have to be), I could see the team and Pikiell considering it to reward Mike and Deshawn with Rutgers' first postseason tournament in 12 years. I wouldn't guarantee it, but I could see it.

What makes you think they would see it as a reward? Finishing out their careers not by playing their final game of their college careers in Madison Square Garden against a name brand school but in some empty arena in a fourth rate tournament against a fourth rate opponent? That would be depressing.

Hell, in 1990, when we became the first team to be selected to the NIT (which is at least a second rate tournament) with a .500 record I remember 5th year senior Rick Dadika being quoted as lamenting that his spring break plans were dashed.

 

[dpwhite]

What makes you think they would see it as an reward? Finishing out their careers not by playing their final game in Madison Square Garden but in some empty arena in a fourth rate tournament? That would be depressing.

Hell, in 1990, when we became the first team to be selected to the NIT (which is at least a second rate tournament) with a .500 record I remember 5th year senior Rick Dadika being quoted as lamenting that his spring break plans were dashed.

I don't know, because they've been through a lot of losing and would have a chance at winning something? That's why I used "could see" and that I wouldn't "guarantee it."

 

[bac2therac]

I dont think playing Lipscomb or Iona in the CBI is worth it

 

[mikefla]

If we go with 18 wins after 1 win ine the the B10 tourney
I think even a 2 game run in the CBI giving us 20 wins.... is valuable
history will only "remember" the number of wins IMO

 

[BoilerJS]

I came over to your board to express my compliments on how well you guys are playing defense. I watched the MSU game and you should have won it.
To the topic, It will be a tall order for you to make the NCAA this year because of the perception of it being a down year in the B1G. But you have a great coach and NCAA appearances are definitely in your future.

 

[biazza38]

I know people will facepalm but hear me out

First, we are not going to be a 20 win team. I am not saying that. Nor am I saying there is a high percentage of us hearing our name on selection Sunday. However...

I don't think a run in the B1G tourney is a herculean task this year. There are not alot of teams in our division that will smoke us. And one of those teams (Minnesota) is getting hit with the injury bug and may not be the same team that we played in December. This is a combination of us getting a little better and the league getting a little worse. There are even a small number of teams that I believe we would be the favorite in the game if we play them in the tournament. Plus this year the tourney is in MSG-they are coming to us. If we get a favorable seed, specifically keeping Purdue in the opposite side of the bracket as us, I think we can win multiple games in the tournament. The ball bounces our way, and who knows....

My favorite time of the year is championship week. I love convincing myself we’re going to win the whole thing

 

[Upstream]

It was very unlikely we'd get an at-large bid to the NCAA tourney even if we beat StonyHart. The losses there aren't what would keep us from an otherwise bid. It is possible that StonyHart does keep us out of the NIT. But even if we beat StonyHart, I think an NIT bid would still be a high mountain to climb this year.

As far as winning the BTT to get an NCAA bid, sure it is possible. That's why they play the games. But there is a huge gap between possible in theory and possible in reality. Winning the BTT is not possible in reality.

 

[mikemarc1]

To answer the question in your title, yes they can. Any team can still make it. But no they won’t.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

At this point,

I’m really hoping for 7-11/17-14

And one win in the garden ...

8-12 in the big ten
1-1 in big time OOC
9-2 against weak part of schedule

Tell me we go 9-13 against power 5 teams (and at least half of the games will be against teams that dance) vs the 4-18 record against power 5 teams (13 of the 22 that went to the NCAA tourney) would be an enormous improvement from year one to year 2...

 

[seels2662]

It was very unlikely we'd get an at-large bid to the NCAA tourney even if we beat StonyHart. The losses there aren't what would keep us from an otherwise bid. It is possible that StonyHart does keep us out of the NIT. But even if we beat StonyHart, I think an NIT bid would still be a high mountain to climb this year.

As far as winning the BTT to get an NCAA bid, sure it is possible. That's why they play the games. But there is a huge gap between possible in theory and possible in reality. Winning the BTT is not possible in reality.

I don't believe that.

I am not saying its probable. But I would say 8, maybe 9 of the 14 teams we would have better than a 1/3 chance of beating on a neutral court. And remember its at MSG so we can have a little of a home field here. If we get a favorable seed, we can play five of those eight teams in the tournament. If we go on a little run here we would only have to play four of those eight. Its not impossible to at least win a couple and make things interesting.

 

[Scarlet Shack]

It was very unlikely we'd get an at-large bid to the NCAA tourney even if we beat StonyHart. The losses there aren't what would keep us from an otherwise bid. It is possible that StonyHart does keep us out of the NIT. But even if we beat StonyHart, I think an NIT bid would still be a high mountain to climb this year.

As far as winning the BTT to get an NCAA bid, sure it is possible. That's why they play the games. But there is a huge gap between possible in theory and possible in reality. Winning the BTT is not possible in reality.

If we were 13-5 ...anything would have been possible. Stonyford means we would need to go 10-3 the remainder (instead of 8-5) to get to 11-7/21-10...and then going to the garden needing 2....

Not happening but stonyford made it near impossible