Wasn't asking you but as always there is a qualifier as to why psu lost. Not sure why you're such a d*ck in most of your posts.
Can we beat Penn State??
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Wasn't asking you but as always there is a qualifier as to why psu lost. Not sure why you're such a d*ck in most of your posts.
So they are better. Again, just say you lost. There is always an excuse; injuries, penalties, Big Ten hates us, sanctions, the sun was in our eyes...blah, blah, blah...
Again, I watched the game. It wasn't just that Pedd St. blocked a OSU field goal. It was the direction the ball took after it was blocked.....one that led to a long run for a TD by the guy who scooped it up for PSU...that completely changed the game. Pedd St. fans pretty much knew they were gonna lose prior to that play. That's why they went bonkers when it happened.
Congratulations again on your big win. I sure wish Rutgers could just once win a game vs. a #2-ranked team. I should live so long.
Even had OSU made that field goal - no guarantees, as it was an attempt of more than 40 yards - PSU would have had 4:30 left to attempt to score a game-tying touchdown. OSU was far from locking that one up; the game was very much still in doubt.
Down four with 4:27 left? No one was certain of the outcome at that point. A 45 yard field goal was not a give me. Even if he made it there was plenty of time left to tie it out. Penn State had moved the ball some on Ohio State and given 4 down territory they very well could have gotten a tying score.
You watch the game? Doesn't sound like it. PSU locked up their offense the last 23 minutes of the game. That's why Penn State making a play on special teams was able to make the difference. Last I checked the game is played over 60 minutes.
This year on that day, they beat us. No gripes. Hail to Pitt. I will add that they're going to get skunked in Happy Valley next season though.
Another one of your patented objective observations.
Are you the Rutgersal of Pedd St. ?
Listen pal. Rutgersal has 10 times more class in his little finger than you'll ever have.
Our defense will have a tough time getting Barkley on the ground...he'll run for 150 yes or more. On offense, it will be difficult to run against them if we can't pass the ball successfully....we all saw then shut Ohio st down because the Buckeyes couldn't pass downfield....they'll put 7 in the box and shut down the run. But, you never know...they're college kids and who knows , anything is possible....go RU!
We'd have won despite that if the pass didn't bounce off a wide open Townsend in the end zone.
You shouldn't really come to this particular board and bitch about that one key dropped pass.
We've got way more games where we can point to that one dropped pass.
You'll get no sympathy here.
the OSU win was a great victory for Penn State. but let's not forget that PSU recently got smoked by Michigan 49-10. you lost to Pitt 42-39, and beat Temple close 34-27, beat Minny close, and smoked Maryland. oSU should have smoked PSU despite being pressured, but OSU squandered opportunities and they only have themselves to blame. oSU had more rushing yards and passing yards than PSU. the OSU victory doesn't all of a sudden make PSU a juggernaut, but it does speak well of your teams resilience. I am of the opinion that PSU is more similar to Rutgers than it is to Ohio State. what's held Rutgers back has been really bad QB play.
We haven't been giving up rushing yards due to a lack of talent. We've been giving up rushing yards because we were offensively inept and lack depth. So our defense wore out. With better QB play, Rutgers will have a better chance of keeping our defense off the field. our QB can now pressure the defense with his legs, so we are not as easy to defend. because of that, it is easier for us to complete passes downfield. temples QB had 286 passing yards vs Penn State and I see no reason why our guy can't put up similar numbers.
for us to win, we've got to execute on offense, run the ball, hit some shots downfield, and minimize Barkleys opportunities. I think we've got a fighting chance to do this.
Because one game has nothing to do with the other. So you beat OSU and Michigan killed you. Can OSU not play with Michigan? We had similar statistics as you when we played Minnesota. You needed OT to win at home. They beat us away with a last second FG. If you are so superior what happened that day?
fair enough.. you are simply asking your team to play a good game against a good team.. something they have not done all year. What you propose is gonna be tough when the opponent has
DL > OL
DB > WR
RB > SECONDARY
ST > ST
WR > DB
I'll call it even our OL vs your DL.. although last year a far worse OL destroyed you..
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Texas beat Oklahoma last year. Oklahoma who, you know...played in the college football playoff. Did it mean Texas was "back"? Did it mean Charlie Strong was the answer? Or was it just an upset in a rivalry game? I don't know, look what's going on at Texas right now and let me know. I know PSU fans will find a million reasons why their win over OSU and Franklin's situation is different than Texas and Strong so asking the question was really a waste of my time. But thought it was a valid point.
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It's valid point but our moment really started with the 2nd half of the Minnesota game. I expect to go 10-2 now but I also feel we'll drop a game or two because we're still young. So I expect to be disappointed at the end of the year but that's part of being a fan.
I completely disagree with you. If Franklin could keep the kids focused and ready to play you should finish with a 10-2 record. But it will not be a walk in the park. Not living in the past but Joe Paterno would not be surprised over the win against OSU Instead he would look at every kid in the face and say "We are just as good as any team in the country on any given day, now let's go out and show them". Franklin is a good coach and he'll have these kids ready to play. I just hope you guys lay an egg when you come to Piscataway.
The game that most concerns me as a Penn State fan is @ Indiana.
I think the home environment will help vs. Iowa and MSU.
I think Purdue and Rutgers are bad football teams.
That leaves a road game in sleepy Bloomington following what will likely be another emotional night in Beaver Stadium against the Hawkeyes the week before.
It's this week (Purdue/West Lafeyette after OSU), but against a team with a pulse.
I think the home environment will help vs. Iowa and MSU.
I think Purdue and Rutgers are bad football teams.
That leaves a road game in sleepy Bloomington following what will likely be another emotional night in Beaver Stadium against the Hawkeyes the week before.
It's this week (Purdue/West Lafeyette after OSU), but against a team with a pulse.
the only thing worse for PSU fans to lose to Purdue is to lose to Rutgers -- disagree all you want but a loss is possible. Besides, its the superbowl for Rutgers - Good teams lose to very bad teams all the time
Allow me to direct you to an earlier post in this very thread where I said an RU win over PSU is possible. Anything is possible, as Kevin Garnett once told us.
That doesn't mean I'm concerned.
Al,
I do admire how you are cleverly phrasing this in a way that all that happened was osu played bad and psu lucked out while ignoring that psu executed when they needed to. So allow me to give you my thoughts on why what you just said is nonsense.
First you brought up that we lost to Michigan. It's a fair point but Michigan is honestly the second best team in the country and it isn't even close, we lost 49-10 on the road, sure but didn't that same Michigan team go into Piscataway and completely embarrass RU? 49-10 is a tough loss but 78-0 is historical, it was The biggest college football beat down I have ever seen in my life, fbs opponent or not. Rutgers had what, 1 first down in the first 3 quarters that game?! Gio doesn't fix that, u might have 5 first downs with Gio rather than 1, big deal.
I get ur excited for Gio and you should be, but lack of talent absolutely has everything to do with the fact that in 7 of the 8 games Rutgers has played this year they've allowed a 100 yard rusher, and none of those RB's are as talented as Barkley. Lack of experience at LB has destroyed RU against any read option opponent they've faced this year (osu, mich) and psu runs read option all game.
penn state has statistically the third ranked pass defense in the big 10 (behind osu and mich). Your new qb who has one career start where he played ok (220 yards and 2 ints in a losing effort is nothing to write home about) doesn't change things overnight and PSU has a very tough defense. They had some key losses return from injury recently, particularly Cabinda who have made them even tougher.
You brought up losing to Pitt and beating temple by 7, first of all temple scored a garbage time field goal and they were in fact a top 25 team last year and are 5-3 this year and having another nice year. Temple would beat Rutgers this year, no disrespect.
As for Pitt that was a huge home game for them, penn state was in game 2 of a regime with a new qb, new OC and new DC, started off terribly falling behind by 21 points and came back within 3 points and a dropped pass of winning (no excuses, Pitt won the game and we didn't excecute). Pitt is also a very good football team with a lot of seniors who just last night went toe to toe against another top 25 opponent (vt)
I'm not talking about penn state as a national contender, we're talking about Penn state against Rutgers. We're talking about a team that already beat the team that RU just lost to in their most impressive performance this year, I watched the RU/Minn game. RU was kept in the game by Minnesota not executing, a muffed punt by minn and Mitch Leidner playing his worst game of the season. At the end of the day when RU needed to make a stop, Minnesota drove down the field and kicked the winning fg. (if that set up run where a 190 lb RB was able to power through ur lb's Doesnt make u worry about Barkley, I don't know what to tell you)
Please, I'm not asking you for your reason why Penn state may not beat a decent opponent, I'm asking why you believe a poor opponent (Rutgers is poor this year,trying to be respectful but poor is being kind) can beat psu?
I do want to see your team improve because I prefer competitive big ten games, but are you THAT confident in a qb who has 1 career start to believe RU is going to beat a team with one of the best RB's in the country who just knocked off #2 Ohio state?
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What happened that day was penn state won the game. If pigs could fly would that cause world peace?
Ur talking in hypotheticals but to answer the point you're trying to make, Minn came into the penn state game undefeated and HIGHLY motivated. They still had illusions of a big ten west title at that point, lots of seniors and experience. Minnesota executed beautifully that game and played mistake free and penn state was on their 5th string linebackers (not an exaggeration) and honestly didn't play well, but at the end of the day, found a way to win. When Ohio state won the national title in 2014 they lost to VT who finished 6-6 that year, sometimes teams overlook opponents and that's what happened that day, luckily penn state still found a way to win which Rutgers could not, despite Minnesota GIVING them the game with horrible qb play and a terrible muffed punt that RU couldn't take advantage of (I don't consider a fg when you get the ball in field goal range taking advantage of a situation)
The main reason though that I don't believe RU has a chance of surprising PSU is simply because of how many Jersey kids are on penn states roster. Kids have extra motivation playing in their home state and penn state has something like 7 or 8 starters from Jersey.
It's actually very similar to Charlie Strong and Texas, that's a great analysis. The difference between penn state and Texas is their location. Texas HS is no doubt a juggernaut for talent, but Texas is also recruiting against Houston, a&m, Baylor, TCU, Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma state locally for recruits.
In the northeast United States, penn state is still king. No disrespect to schools like BC, Syracuse, UConn and RU, but take one look at the commit lists and see how many recruits those schools sign COMBINED with a penn state offer and it will be less than 10 every year, compare that to how many kids from Texas/surrounding areas commit to the other "local" schools in the area with mutual offers and you will find your answer.
Fair poke, but what may I ask has Rutgers done in relation to penn state since joining the Big 10 to warrant calling the PSU/RU game a rivalry? No disrespect but RU is 0-2 against PSU since joining the conference, and lands 1, maybe 2 recruits per year with a PSU offer while penn state lands about 15 kids a year with an RU offer.
I'm open to hearing a compelling argument but 0-2 since joining the conference and 2-24 all time meanwhile RU can't land a mutual recruit for the life of them. Until at least Rutgers wins a game or at the VERY LEAST can land 3 or more mutual recruits in a single year, I just don't see a valid argument
Strong has been killing it in recruiting. Getting talent is not a problem in Austin. If they let Strong go after this year the next coach is going to have a lot of players to work with. Franklins not going anywhere now after that win. That's the difference.
this is a highly subjective analysis. I agree with you on DL>OL, not sure about the rest
Yeah......excuses. "We woulda won, but Gary Nova threw 5 picks", blah blah blah. "
Really? Ok I'll bite. How is Rutgers secondary better than Barkley and Sanders?
How are Rutgers WR whose leading receiver has 271 yards for the season through 8 games better than statistically the third best secondary in the conference (1 and 2 beat RU by a combined 136-0 so I'm sure that helps the confidence)
Honestly rutgersal could you give rational reasons (not just we have a qb whose played in 1 game and lost and is the savior). I mean RATIONAL and statistical evidence to support your claims?
I'd be interested to ready your thoughts
Though I do disagree with everything you've posted, I do appreciate thoughtful discourse. so thank you for your contribution.
At the end of the day, OSUs offense out gained PSUs, so they played well enough to win. JT Barrett threw for close to 100 yards more than McSorley. game turned on a special teams play which PSU deserves all the credit for making.
In providing the Pitt, Michigan and Temple game examples I was saying that PSU isn't as unbeatable as you are suggesting. what you are doing is taking the OSU performance and extrapolating that to the end of the season. And yes, I would agree with you that if PSU can play just as they did against OSU, PSU will win the rest of its games. but I don't see that happening, especially for the Rutgers game, because for one thing, you won't be in the friendly confines of beaver stadium. you will be in a hostile environment of Rutgers Stadium. secondly, Rutgers is playing a new quarterback, so you need to throw out everything you learned about Rutgers from games 1-7. game 8 is the first time I felt we played to our potential, even if we came up short. from here on out, I expect us to be playing our best football, and we're going to get better, each game we play. Thirdly our quarterback last year had plenty of opportunities to make plays against PSU last year. He completed plenty of passes, but the average yards per catch was bad, because his ball placement didn't facilitate YAC. This is the biggest reason we didn't score against y'all last year. our new guy doesn't have such limitations.
Rutgers isn't a poor team. we're a good team that's been playing poorly, because we were playing the wrong QB. the new guy can pressure the defense with his feet, has an NFL arm according to the Big Ten analyst who did the Minny game, and has strong escapability. he also has a chance of hitting his shots downfield, which is something JT Barrett didn't do against PSU.
this is why we scored 25 points more against Minny, than against any other big ten opponent. inserting Gio at QB is going to be a game changer for us. If Gio had played against Michigan there is no way we get shutout, let alone lose by 78. our QB can make plays against PSUs tough defense, which is why we have a chance. Barkley will get his yards against us. But it's on us to limit his opportunities.
turnovers are what did Rutgers in against Minnesota, nothing else. As long as we can clean those up, I like our chances against PSU. Leidner played his worst game of the season, thanks to our opportunistic defense. Lack of offense has been the biggest reasons for our defenses poor showing. They have been on the field too long, which has contributed to their mistakes, mental errors, and missed tackles.
We intend to stop Barkley and sanders before they reach the secondary, though we might give up our share of chunk plays to a great back like Barkley. Darius Hamilton didnt play last year but played a key role in 2014 in limiting PSUs rushing attack.
our defense didn't do a bad job against OSU and Mich in Q1. It was Q2 where the roof fell in as the offense continually went three and out. for me, the next four games represent an entirely new season, because the quarterback makes us a much different team offensively. That's why our seasonal statistics from the first seven games do not adequately reflect our future prospects, and I can't use them to bolster my claims. The Minnesota game is more reflective of our potential. We ran the ball, we passed the ball, and we took the lead late in the game. just couldn't finish, but I'm optimistic we will be able to finish in our last four games.
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