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Chol

Chop will play the palmqvist role with probably a little more opportunity to grab the spot.

I will say his shooting fundamentals in warm ups are years ahead of palmqvist. We need a guy that can just stand in the corner and hit 3s/defend a little. I think Chol can provide 5-15 mins a night depending on matchup
 
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With 13 players on the roster there is no reason the 12th and 13th guys cannot and should not redshirt if they are true freshmen. Playing Chol in 4 OOC blowout wins for a total of 20 minutes does nothing for him. That game experience playing against the other teams walkons and end of the bench guys is a meaningless waste of time.
 
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With 13 players on the roster there is no reason the 12th and 13th guys cannot and should not redshirt if they are true freshmen. Playing Chol in 4 OOC blowout wins for a total of 20 minutes does nothing for him. That game experience playing against the other teams walkons and end of the bench guys is a meaningless waste of time.

Nothing to do with Chol, but I personally would expect that with our level or recruiting rising that if a player isn't ready to play immediately and needs to redshirt - they will get recruited over very quick.

I could be wrong.
How much longer will we be bringing in freshman "projects"?
I don't follow recruiting but do other upper tier schools do that?
 
Nothing to do with Chol, but I personally would expect that with our level or recruiting rising that if a player isn't ready to play immediately and needs to redshirt - they will get recruited over very quick.

I could be wrong.
How much longer will we be bringing in freshman "projects"?
I don't follow recruiting but do other upper tier schools do that?

Good question - do upper level teams redshirt? Personally I don’t know

But I don’t have an issue with it.

There are only so many minutes. So if we are a legit 10-11 players deep I have zero issue with redshirting a player or two “projects” - eg, a very talented big man with tons of potential but need a year to work on skills and get physically prepared.
 
Imo, at this level if a kid is NOWHERE NEAR ready his first season and the dreaded P word, it's not going to work out 95% of the time.
 
My sense is that Reiber's foot injury was worse than what the staff let on and what we're all assuming and that Chol was brought in at least partially to give us another tall body in practice while Dean was out. My confidence that Chol ever ends up being a rotation player for us is pretty low but it's also not a big deal if that's our 12th scholarship.
 
My sense is that Reiber's foot injury was worse than what the staff let on and what we're all assuming and that Chol was brought in at least partially to give us another tall body in practice while Dean was out. My confidence that Chol ever ends up being a rotation player for us is pretty low but it's also not a big deal if that's our 12th scholarship.
Reiber never showed any signs during the season that his foot was an issue.
 
Nothing to do with Chol, but I personally would expect that with our level or recruiting rising that if a player isn't ready to play immediately and needs to redshirt - they will get recruited over very quick.

I could be wrong.
How much longer will we be bringing in freshman "projects"?
I don't follow recruiting but do other upper tier schools do that?
You never want to bring in an entire class of projects, but no issue with an occasional project. Zach Edey was project that a well established program signed.

Chol was originally in the Class of 2023, Rutgers encouraged to reclass to 2022, he arrived two or three months after the other freshmen in the class. It should not be surprising that he was behind the curve. After his injury, it made sense to shut him down and apply for a redshirt.
 
Exactly, how could you tell from watching the games? He shot better in warmups?
I have no idea how good of a player he will turn out to be, just that it is foolish to write him off at this point. Just like it was foolish to write off someone like Eugene Omoruyi, early in his career, which many experts on this board did.
 
I have no idea how good of a player he will turn out to be, just that it is foolish to write him off at this point. Just like it was foolish to write off someone like Eugene Omoruyi, early in his career, which many experts on this board did.
I'm agreeing with you. Saying how could you see potential or development when all we saw from him after just a few minutes early in the season was warmups.

I like Chol - high end potential, if we're going to consistently get Griffiths, Ace, Harper types, we need developmental guys who might not play first 1-2 years. Plus I love Chol's smile on the bench, kid always seemed happy.
 
I'm agreeing with you. Saying how could you see potential or development when all we saw from him after just a few minutes early in the season was warmups.

I like Chol - high end potential, if we're going to consistently get Griffiths, Ace, Harper types, we need developmental guys who might not play first 1-2 years. Plus I love Chol's smile on the bench, kid always seemed happy.
Gotcha.
 
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He still gets a year of college S&C, coaching, learning the system, adjusting to college life

Hopefully we see it pay off and he can contribute something next season, if needed

Chol seems like a 4 only. Right now at the 4 we have..

Mag - hopefully is back by the season and starter if healthy

Hyatt - possible transfer but know what he brings. Do not want him to start or have a huge role really. Poor shooter. Poor finisher. Mental laspes etc. If he leaves, a portal 4 is likely

Ndongo - Beast but true freshma
 
If there's a kid you take that kind of chance on, Chol seems like the type. 6'8", good frame, potential to be a lock down shooter 3 and D type. High risk, high reward.
I'd rather go after high upside guys. If they don't pan out they portal and you can replace them with the portal or new recruits

Better than someone who is more developed but has no real ceiling and ends up a roster clogger
 
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Nothing to do with Chol, but I personally would expect that with our level or recruiting rising that if a player isn't ready to play immediately and needs to redshirt - they will get recruited over very quick.

I could be wrong.
How much longer will we be bringing in freshman "projects"?
I don't follow recruiting but do other upper tier schools do that?
100%. I think he’s already been recruited over.
 
I'd rather go after high upside guys. If they don't pan out they portal and you can replace them with the portal or new recruits

Better than someone who is more developed but has no real ceiling and ends up a roster clogger
If we're signing guys with a higher upside than Chol and getting them to redshirt - then we must be in a really good place. I don't think we're there yet.

If Chol can truly already shoot 3's at a decent percentage, he has a tremendous upside. He has a quick, high release and good size and frame.
 
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One thing people always forget is how a guy develops also depends on how much extra work he puts in. The staff only gets 20 hours a week. If a guy wants to help in his development he needs to be gym rat. Shooting, dribbling, drilling and playing,

Pikiell always says he loves guys that are always in the gym...like Cliff, Mag, Simpson, Spencer, etc.
 
If we're signing guys with a higher upside than Chol and getting them to redshirt - then we must be in a really good place. I don't think we're there yet.

If Chol can truly already shoot 3's at a decent percentage, he has a tremendous upside. He has a quick, high release and good size and frame.
Stud recruits aren't redshirting
 
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Now Reiber had a foot injury all season?
It is sounding like HC Pike put his players in a terrible position. Seems they were all injured but he was still running them out their to play on all these injuries.
A little concerning if this is going to be a standard practice for HC Pike going forward.

Note - I don't actually think this. I think many are just making up injuries (I've yet to see an actual source for any of these injuries).
 
Now Reiber had a foot injury all season?
It is sounding like HC Pike put his players in a terrible position. Seems they were all injured but he was still running them out their to play on all these injuries.
A little concerning if this is going to be a standard practice for HC Pike going forward.

Note - I don't actually think this. I think many are just making up injuries (I've yet to see an actual source for any of these injuries).
Agree. Make believe excuses for fan favorites, Paul in particular.
 
Early, and sure was likely not 100%. Same as all of them. And not enough to explain the usual poor play, otherwise Simpson would have had more minutes sooner.

Paul’s ‘injuries’ are bs fan excuse.

When he does okay, he’s fine. But damn those intermittent injuries that keep occurring when he has bad games. Such Terrible luck. Wish those injuries only happened on Mondays !!
 
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Early, and sure was likely not 100%. Same as all of them. And not enough to explain the usual poor play, otherwise Simpson would have had more minutes sooner.

Paul’s ‘injuries’ are bs fan excuse.

When he does okay, he’s fine. But damn those intermittent injuries that keep occurring when he has bad games. Such Terrible luck. Wish those injuries only happened on Mondays !!
Did you miss the game where he ran off the court into the locker room with his arm just hanging at his side - the classic sign of a separated shoulder injury? Did you miss all the times when he appeared to be in real pain when he landed on that shoulder?

Did you miss the head coach's comment about Paul being the toughest guy on the team?

He did not play well toward the end of the season, so sharp-minded fans like you decide he stunk.

No one one knows, except you apparently, how much his injured shoulder was affecting his play?

Everyone who knows basketball understands that the kid gave everything he had when he was out there on the court. Why opposing teams seem to have figured out how to neutralize him toward the end of the season is certainly up for reasonable debate, but pretending he must have been 100% is utter stupidity - given his past contributions.

I suspect that the coaches and players laugh at your stupidity when they read your posts. I admit, however, that they almost certainly do not read your posts . If they do, once would be enough. Pansy comments do not impress.

I admit that what really bothers me is that you don't have one-tenth of the pain tolerance that Paul has. You have not been there, so you don't really have a clue about what it really feels like to be in his situation.

If Paul does not come back, I will be OK with that. He gave it his best. I am not Ok with the idea he did not play an integral part in the growth of the program under Coach Pikiell.
 
Did you miss the game where he ran off the court into the locker room with his arm just hanging at his side - the classic sign of a separated shoulder injury? Did you miss all the times when he appeared to be in real pain when he landed on that shoulder?

Did you miss the head coach's comment about Paul being the toughest guy on the team?

He did not play well toward the end of the season, so sharp-minded fans like you decide he stunk.

No one one knows, except you apparently, how much his injured shoulder was affecting his play?

Everyone who knows basketball understands that the kid gave everything he had when he was out there on the court. Why opposing teams seem to have figured out how to neutralize him toward the end of the season is certainly up for reasonable debate, but pretending he must have been 100% is utter stupidity - given his past contributions.

I suspect that the coaches and players laugh at your stupidity when they read your posts. I admit, however, that they almost certainly do not read your posts . If they do, once would be enough. Pansy comments do not impress.

I admit that what really bothers me is that you don't have one-tenth of the pain tolerance that Paul has. You have not been there, so you don't really have a clue about what it really feels like to be in his situation.

If Paul does not come back, I will be OK with that. He gave it his best. I am not Ok with the idea he did not play an integral part in the growth of the program under Coach Pikiell.

If he was so injured, then why did HC Pike keep running him out there for 30+min a game?
Especially since it was evidently effecting his play.
Was there any consideration of potential long term damage?
 
If he was so injured, then why did HC Pike keep running him out there for 30+min a game?
Especially since it was evidently effecting his play.
Was there any consideration of potential long term damage?
Amazing coincidence how he was only injured when he played poorly. He had a couple of good games in between.

Fans need to stop making apologies for him. Can’t have it both ways, don’t want to hear ‘he’s a warrior playing through injury’ cliche when he plays poorly. If too hurt, don’t play.
 
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Redshirting Myles Johnson worked out just fine
No portal back then. And in a way it did not work - He only played 3 years for us. Do we know he couldn’t have contributed at the end of his redshirt year?
 
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If he was so injured, then why did HC Pike keep running him out there for 30+min a game?
Especially since it was evidently effecting his play.
Was there any consideration of potential long term damage?

The three of you could not announce any louder that you have no clue what it is like to coach or play on a team like RU.

Number 1 - we are already a team with depth issues. If you sit Paul out, who exactly are you going to ask to replace his minutes - Dean, Oskar, Miller - great kids, but how well do you think they will compensate for Paul's contribution?

Number 2 - Simpson is a low -percentage shooter at this point in his career. He can break down opposing offenses, but what happens after that? He is a freshman, trying to learn to make the best decisions. It is a huge positive that he stepped up to deliver some key shots when we needed them most, but he is not yet the guy the other players look up to when it comes to competitive spirit. He is still bricking his shots more often than not.

Number 3 - Paul would not be seen as the toughest guy on the team if he suddenly decided to sit out because he was hurting. The guys look up to him because he is the most competitive person on the team, willing to give whatever it takes to win. As far as permanent injury is concerned, I guarantee you his coach is giving him the best possible info from his medical staff. It is ultimately up to the player to decide, and Paul's personality will not allow him to be cautious.

Teams take on the personality of their leaders, both players and coaches. Everyone knew that Paul (and Caleb) were out there giving their best in spite of the pain and limitations. Most times, the rest of the team cannot compensate for the loss of production when their leaders are struggling physically, but they are going to be trying their best.

You seem to think the team would have done better if Paul had not played. Good for you, but anyone who has been in that situation realizes the results would have been even worse. If Paul and Caleb had decided their injuries were just too much to deal with and sat out, most fans can understand that the results would have been far uglier than what we saw.

You can't completely compensate for injuries to key players. Coaches and teammates understand that when their leaders on the field try to deal with injuries, it is going to be far harder to get a positive result. You can preach all day about someone needing to step up to compensate, but few players suddenly blossom simply because bigger contributions from them are needed to compensate for injuries.

RU looked marginally better with Simpson as the point guard and Paul as a wing, but that was because Paul's injuries were less debilitating to him as a wing.

I am not sure how many posters have competed in sports with a debilitating injury, but I can assure you it limits how well you can perform. You can suck it up, but it is still so mentally tough to try to compete at the same level as before. You are not going to look like the same person you were before you went out there nursing an injury.
 
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Stud recruits aren't redshirting
True but if Chol had no chance of seeing the court next year Pike would be gently guiding him out the door.

The redshirt option makes it possible to land a better kid than we’d otherwise get late in the recruiting cycle in years we have a slot open. Basically it’s taking a chance with a kid slightly better than a PWO. If it doesn’t work, that kid didn’t lose any eligibility sitting on the bench and transfers. No major issue for us. Honestly - the APR impact is probably the biggest thing to complain about with taking big reach recruits. That gets dinged when kids transfer before graduating.

Pike seems to care about that and it’s notable that most of our guys entering the portal got their RU degrees before leaving.
 
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