Coaching

[Caliknight]

It's horrible. Any team that has as many penalties as we do has bad coaching. It's always been that way and that rule applies here. Schiano is not a modern day football coach. He's so accepting of wasting downs. Offensive football is about getting as many plays off as you can. 2 entire minutes and Schiano sits on the ball. I can't think of any other coach in the country that wouldn't try to score there being down 7. His reason? He didn't want to go down by more. That's a losers mentality not to mention the terrible message it sends to his team. I don't believe in you. I can't believe he actually did that. Even for him that's just coaching so scared.

MSU isn't even good, but the score makes it look that way. Just an embarrassing performance from the staff. Anyone holding out hope that some hot shot OC is going to come in here and work under this overly restrictive philosophy is fooling themselves. No accomplished OC is coming here with Schiano as HC.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

Entire offensive staff needs to go.

Nunzio was the stop gap between Ash and Greg.

OL is a disaster discipline wise, Augie needs to go.

 

[RU848789]

We still have issues, especially with penalties; however, we outgained them 460 to 455 and Wimsatt played his best game, so that's clearly progress.

 

[Plum Street]

It's horrible. Any team that has as many penalties as we do has bad coaching. It's always been that way and that rule applies here. Schiano is not a modern day football coach. He's so accepting of wasting downs. Offensive football is about getting as many plays off as you can. 2 entire minutes and Schiano sits on the ball. I can't think of any other coach in the country that wouldn't try to score there being down 7. His reason? He didn't want to go down by more. That's a losers mentality not to mention the terrible message it sends to his team. I don't believe in you. I can't believe he actually did that. Even for him that's just coaching so scared.

MSU isn't even good, but the score makes it look that way. Just an embarrassing performance from the staff. Anyone holding out hope that some hot shot OC is going to come in here and work under this overly restrictive philosophy is fooling themselves. No accomplished OC is coming here with Schiano as HC.

The way he handled the last minute of the first half was pathetic. But his team stinks and he knows it

 

[Caliknight]

So does whomever runs special teams. And our red zone defense. It's horrible.

At some point we need to look at the HC. Turtle shelling with two minutes on the clock in a winnable game is the weakest move I've ever seen Schiano make. He's very afraid. I just don't understand how he thinks he can win football games by deliberately not trying to score. It's asinine.

And this was an opponent missing a bunch of guys. We weren't punching above our weight. Very winnable game. We just don't have the staff that knows how to do it. At some point, you are what your record says you are, and Schiano has a terrible record as a head coach.

84-98. Just not HC material.

 

[Caliknight]

We still have issues, especially with penalties; however, we outgained them 460 to 455 and Wimsatt played his best game, so that's clearly progress.

Yet still got handled easily. If we were moving the ball so well, why didn't he try to score with 2 minutes left?

I don't see progress. I see a hapless team and staff.

 

[DJ Spanky]

Turtle shelling with two minutes on the clock in a winnable game is the weakest move I've ever seen Schiano make.

We got the ball back with 2:05 left in the 1st half, and proceeded to do no clock management until it got down to 17 seconds. WTF?

 

[Caliknight]

We got the ball back with 2:05 left in the 1st half, and proceeded to do no clock management until it got down to 17 seconds. WTF?

Scared. His reason as reported was that he didn't want to go in down by more than 7.

He's failing these kids. This was a winnable game, even with all of the penalties.

 

[Jimpeg]

you can say all you want about the rebuild...the reason this rebuild is taking longer
It's coaching, Greg is too conservative for the modern day of offense first ..

 

[SpartanDawgs57]

Agreed. Dogshit coaching. Way to instruct the players to dive at our knees on the kneel down when he knew Rutgers lost.

 

[RUTGERS95]

We still have issues, especially with penalties; however, we outgained them 460 to 455 and Wimsatt played his best game, so that's clearly progress.

agree with the op as coaching is bad but agree with you in that today isn't a total loss
Gav looked better, running game was better, pass protection was better, routes were better
Defense was missing the middle field assignments

 

[Caliknight]

The way he handled the last minute of the first half was pathetic. But his team stinks and he knows it

Disagree. MSU stinks too. Mutual stink. I bet if we had a real coach in this game it would have been a different result or at least much closer.

Schiano's philosphy of trying to not lose instead of playing to win will ensure that he never does. It's a losers mentality. That's why he has the record he has.

 

[RUTGERS95]

you can say all you want about the rebuild...the reason this rebuild is taking longer
It's coaching, Greg is too conservative for the modern day of offense first ..

it's not a rebuild, stop using that term. Talent isn't the issue, it's coaching and approach to managing games

that's not a rebuild issue

 

[sct1111]

460 yards of offense, you have to score more than 21 points. 14 penalties, 14! 3 offsides penalties on kickoffs! What in Gods name is going on?

At least Gavin played decent. I guess we're not running him because his ankle is still bad? He's built like Cam Newton.

 

[Caliknight]

Racking up yards on offense and the sit on it with 2 minutes left makes that decision even more feckless.

 

[Jimpeg]

it's not a rebuild, stop using that term. Talent isn't the issue, it's coaching and approach to managing games

that's not a rebuild issue

what verb are you calling the move to a .500 record and respectability after Ash left?

re·build
[rēˈbild]

VERB

1. build (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed:
   "we try to help them rebuild their lives" ·
   [more]

 

[Jimpeg]

Racking up yards on offense and the sit on it with 2 minutes left makes that decision even more feckless.

..

every team wants more offensive plays .. not sure why we go conservative...

 

[ClassOf02]

This is a perfectly fair take. GS’s conservative coaching style is sending a message to his current team and future recruits. Hard to get inspired by what we saw today out of Schiano.

 

[RUGuitarMan]

The thing at the end of the half didn’t bother me. They were deep in their own territory with a very inexperienced, young QB who has been turning the ball over. They were running the ball well and MSU had 1 TO left, didn’t mind running the clock and getting the 2nd half kick. They had too many penalties and the OL remains a problem. You can put the penalties on coaching, the strategy to pound the running game and protect the QB is sound. If people want the 50 pass per game offense go follow another school. This isn’t 2 hand touch.

 

[RU848789]

Yet still got handled easily. If we were moving the ball so well, why didn't he try to score with 2 minutes left?

I don't see progress. I see a hapless team and staff.

Hated the penalties and didn't love the end of the first half decision, but I understand it. But if you don't see progress from Wimsatt and the running game, you're simply blind. That's real progress and the best play by Gavin was the TD that got called back on the hold, right before the 3rd TD, where he drifted left and fired up a perfect pass in the endzone, knowing he was going to take a hit.

 

[Knightmoves]

No question in my mind that Greg is the de facto OC. He micro managed the hell out of the offense today.

It looks like Nunzio will work with him as OC. But I doubt we can hire a good one from the outside because Greg will do the same to him.

Greg fired Gleeson because Gleeson wouldn’t do it Greg’s way imo.

 

[RUaMoose]

it's not a rebuild, stop using that term. Talent isn't the issue, it's coaching and approach to managing games

that's not a rebuild issue

Does any other P5 program use that term let alone 3,4 times over a 20 year period

 

[Caliknight]

Hated the penalties and didn't love the end of the first half decision, but I understand it. But if you don't see progress from Wimsatt and the running game, you're simply blind. That's real progress and the best play by Gavin was the TD that got called back on the hold, right before the 3rd TD, where he drifted left and fired up a perfect pass in the endzone, knowing he was going to take a hit.

There is no amount of progress that can beat your head coach's failed philosophy. We suck less bad isn't going to get it done.

It will never happen but the best thing that could be done is what TAMU is doing to their head coach. Completely taking the decision making and hiring of offensive coaches away from him.

 

[njknightj]

No question in my mind that Greg is the de facto OC. He micro managed the hell out of the offense today.

It looks like Nunzio will work with him as OC. But I doubt we can hire a good one from the outside because Greg will do the same to him.

Greg fired Gleeson because Gleeson wouldn’t do it Greg’s way imo.

Gleeson was trash with or without Greg's involvement.

 

[brgRC90]

Points scored in Big Ten play

2021: 13, 13, 13, 7, 20, 3, 38, 0, 16.
14 pts/game. 12 pts/game excluding Indiana.
2022: 10, 10, 13, 24, 0, 17, 21.
14 pts/game. 12 pts/game excluding Indiana.

Indiana lets us say we are not the worst program in the Big Ten.

 

[RUforlife]

Please don't criticize Coach Schiano on this board it upsets some of the posters and this is supposed to be a safe space, free from any derogatory remarks regarding Coach Schiano.

 

[RUaMoose]

Agreed. Dogshit coaching. Way to instruct the players to dive at our knees on the kneel down when he knew Rutgers lost.

It’s bush league. He did it in the nfl and got a good tongue lashing from the Giants HC

 

[RUskoolie]

So you can clearly see we have a very young QB with some really nice upside. We also have a really young RB and then Kyle M who can spell him.

As they grow they need weapons around them at WR and TE

Defense is fixed

My big concern is the way GS coaches games. He is stuck in 1995. He coaches to make less mistakes and hope the other team screws up. There is no killer instinct. The micromanaging of offense is inexcusable. All I was told was Gleeson this Gleeson that. Well Gleeson is gone and I still see Wildcat? I still see Run, run, pass, punt. See it under Nunzio, Gleeson, Kirck C, McNulty etc.

In 2022 and soon to be 2023 you need offensive firepower to win. Our defense wears down because we don't move the ball on O and just don't focus on it.

I just don't see how he is going to change at this stage of his career and hire an OC and let him run free. I am starting to question how this program gets off the ground under him.

 

[Shelby65]

So does whomever runs special teams. And our red zone defense. It's horrible.

At some point we need to look at the HC. Turtle shelling with two minutes on the clock in a winnable game is the weakest move I've ever seen Schiano make. He's very afraid. I just don't understand how he thinks he can win football games by deliberately not trying to score. It's asinine.

And this was an opponent missing a bunch of guys. We weren't punching above our weight. Very winnable game. We just don't have the staff that knows how to do it. At some point, you are what your record says you are, and Schiano has a terrible record as a head coach.

84-98. Just not HC material.

Yep he turtled the last minute of the half but so bravely called the TO with 1 sec left. Genius. Stealing salary.

 

[Caliknight]

No real OC is going to come and work for him. They are going to go to HC who value offensive football and allow it flourish.

I don't know Greg. He seems thoughtful. But in football, he's a complete meathead. He thinks doing something the hardest way possible gets you extra points.

He's Paterno without the players and the child sex assistant coach.

 

[tico brown]

So does whomever runs special teams. And our red zone defense. It's horrible.

At some point we need to look at the HC. Turtle shelling with two minutes on the clock in a winnable game is the weakest move I've ever seen Schiano make. He's very afraid. I just don't understand how he thinks he can win football games by deliberately not trying to score. It's asinine.

And this was an opponent missing a bunch of guys. We weren't punching above our weight. Very winnable game. We just don't have the staff that knows how to do it. At some point, you are what your record says you are, and Schiano has a terrible record as a head coach.

84-98. Just not HC material.

But Schiano understands Jersey Football by getting mostly Florida players.

 

[Shelby65]

No real OC is going to come and work for him. They are going to go to HC who value offensive football and allow it flourish.

I don't know Greg. He seems thoughtful. But in football, he's a complete meathead. He thinks doing something the hardest way possible gets you extra points.

He's Paterno without the players and the child sex assistant coach.

Paterno wasn’t a meathead.

 

[Rokodesh]

460 yards of offense, you have to score more than 21 points. 14 penalties, 14! 3 offsides penalties on kickoffs! What in Gods name is going on?

At least Gavin played decent. I guess we're not running him because his ankle is still bad? He's built like Cam Newton.

Gavin has a ton of talent but he's not anywhere near as big as cam lol. Cam was a TE playing QB

 

[Caliknight]

But Schiano understands Jersey Football by getting mostly Florida players.

That whole Jersey thing needs to go away. NJ is a state in America. Is it different than say California? Sure. But it's not Afghanistan.

Good coaches succeed anywhere regardless of where they are from. Greg isn't getting the best players in NJ so that entire argument is just silly.

I don't know they answer but I'd be shocked if the majority of high schools in NJ play so conservatively.

 

[Caliknight]

Paterno wasn’t a meathead.

Disagree. He played football like Greg wants to. He just got away with it because he had a lot better players.

 

[T2Kplus20]

It's horrible. Any team that has as many penalties as we do has bad coaching. It's always been that way and that rule applies here. Schiano is not a modern day football coach. He's so accepting of wasting downs. Offensive football is about getting as many plays off as you can. 2 entire minutes and Schiano sits on the ball. I can't think of any other coach in the country that wouldn't try to score there being down 7. His reason? He didn't want to go down by more. That's a losers mentality not to mention the terrible message it sends to his team. I don't believe in you. I can't believe he actually did that. Even for him that's just coaching so scared.

MSU isn't even good, but the score makes it look that way. Just an embarrassing performance from the staff. Anyone holding out hope that some hot shot OC is going to come in here and work under this overly restrictive philosophy is fooling themselves. No accomplished OC is coming here with Schiano as HC.

Another loss due to coaching. Gotta feel bad for the players.

 

[retired711]

BTW, the AP story notes that this was the first time in three games that we scored any points in the second half.

 

[RUskoolie]

Disagree. He played football like Greg wants to. He just got away with it because he had a lot better players.

We also got away with it for 1 season here because we had a Heisman candidate at rB.

 

[Caliknight]

Another loss due to coaching. Gotta feel bad for the players.

Agreed. I'll say this, they play hard. Their coach failed them today. If you expect your players to leave it all on the field, you need to as a coach too.

Frankly I am not sure how long he can keep this together. The players see what we do.

 

[shields]

yes Gavin needs to get in weight room.