Yes, they are no longer the worst. But like you said, it’s built on beating bad teams.
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You actually just said it again. LOL. I guess you guys are giving GS more credit than me on the recruiting side.
Or his gameday coaching and schematics are exceptionally below par. Slice it however ya want.
The Schiano Model. But a year ago they would've lost most of those games. It doesn’t take 5 years to go from really bad to decent.
GS clearly declined the B1G bid so he can find success in the AAC or BE. This is big boy football. Two teams in the playoffs in our division. There is no shortcut here.
Yes he's "building a program" while not winning. That's sure to bring in 4 and 5 star recruits.
We are not handcuffed by a reduced payout that we didn't create ourselves via the loans. We started getting our full share FISCAL 2021 (2 years ago) that is reduced by the loan paybacks.
| Year | Full Share Allocation (projected) | Rutgers Share (projected) | Difference |
| 2021 | $54,636,350 | $43,705,600 | $10,930,750 |
| 2022 | $56,275,441 | $46,029,566 | $10,245,875 |
| 2023 | $57,963,704 | $48,941,204 | $9,022,500 |
| 2024 | $59,702,615 | $50,970,215 | $8,732,400 |
| 2025 | $61,493,693 | $53,055,193 | $8,438,500 |
| 2026 | $63,338,504 | $56,178,379 | $7,160,125 |
| 2027 | $65,238,659 | $65,238,659 | $0 |
| $54,530,150 |
The original payback projections were NOT based on the upcoming increase in "full share payout" from the new contract. Just a 3% annual increase each year from 2018. So these are well understated.
We should now receive $65m in 2023 (approx $75m-$9m) and NOT the projected $48m.
Saying we are "handcuffed" making $55 million more than we did in the AAC is crazy given what we are paying this staff vs. what Ash and Co. was getting.
They just got another $50million from the state too. When exactly is enough enough to start showing some real improvements and results?
Enough is when we get the same as other B1G schools. Why is that so hard to understand? Comparing this to old AAC numbers shows your lack of understanding in this subject.
JHC..can't you read? Or just a couple of sentences at once? MY understanding? We ARE getting the same. Enough with you.
The relative success of the offenses during Schiano 1.0, particularly in 06, 07, and the second half of 08, were talent based. The schemes were not particularly exotic. The struggles on offense later in Schiano's first tenure were a combination of poor OL recruiting and player development and half-assed attempts at installing a modern offense (remember the co-coordinator experiment and dalliance with the spread offense?).
Please don't remind me. They were as hideously painful to watch as the current offense. The wildcat 75 times per game was horrible and so was "Oh look, it's Jabu Lovelace coming in. Will he pass this time? Never mind, it's another run." Having Schiano as a coach just means whenever the offense has the ball you want to gouge your eyes out with a spoon. That's just how it goes.
Not sure that’s the right word either. I know this isn’t the place to support him, and I’m not excusing him either, but I think the PSU Prez Spanier and AD Curley are even more to blame.
I liken Paterno’s ignorance/denial to older churchgoers who don’t understand or believe the frequent priest pedophile incidents. He should have done more, but didn’t fully understand.
Epic, disgraceful fail by him but I wouldn’t go so far as to call him a scumbag.
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To me it’s like this: judgment is clouded by personal experience, beliefs, relationships, goals, etc.
Just look at politics. What one person views as ‘an invasion of criminals which will overwhelm public services’ someone else sees as ‘humanitarian rescue’
Joe’s perspective was different from what we “see”. He probably just didn’t believe it just like I don’t believe there’s an invasion of criminals happening in Texas.
Now, in his position of authority he should have done more than he did, which was only to pass the buck to the others I named. Spanier served jail time. Given Paterno’s life experiences and perspectives, I just don’t think he recognized the depravity.
Total Failure of leadership, yes. Scumbag no. Just my opinion.
Just look at politics. What one person views as ‘an invasion of criminals which will overwhelm public services’ someone else sees as ‘humanitarian rescue’
Joe’s perspective was different from what we “see”. He probably just didn’t believe it just like I don’t believe there’s an invasion of criminals happening in Texas.
Now, in his position of authority he should have done more than he did, which was only to pass the buck to the others I named. Spanier served jail time. Given Paterno’s life experiences and perspectives, I just don’t think he recognized the depravity.
Total Failure of leadership, yes. Scumbag no. Just my opinion.
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I would. Every day and twice on Sunday.
The man was a deplorable human being and the world is a better place without him. More air for us to breathe.
Any accomplishments the man achieved are completely erased by his enabling the rape of children. If you dare to say he didn't know, you go immediately to ignore.
None of us know for sure what he knew. Did he see it ? Again, people don’t all see things the same way. My view is different than yours about this and probably a thousand other things. Who’s right ? In his position, he obviously should have done more to find out. Instead he punted to administration.
I think your opinion, and that’s all it is, not proven fact, is based on the lopsided ‘rivalry’ (which it actually isn’t).
If this happened at UMaine, you wouldn’t be so judgy.
If you think I would be OK with a coach, administration and supporting cast facilitating child rape @ UMaine you are high and have not even a shred of a clue.
My opinion of Joe Paterno and his ilk at State Pen is they in fact are and were scumbags.
You are free to feel otherwise. This is America. I would say you look like a complete asshole for giving any of those involved any quarter whatsoever. But you are free to be as wrong and misguided as you want. I'll defend your right to be an idiot.
You do you.
I'll be me.
We'll see who it works out for when we have to answer to the big guy in the end.
You further prove my point. It’s only your opinion there’s a ‘big guy in the end.’ You have nothing but faith in that, and also nothing but faith that Paterno knew all that you suggest he did. You don’t have facts to support either.
Can I say one thing? What's important is not only what he knew: it's what he should have known through the exercise of due diligence. If he didn't know but should have known, he's not as blameworthy as if he did know -- but he's still blameworthy. It's just like your crashing your car; it's worst if you meant to do it, but it's still bad if you were careless.
I wonder how much out scheming really helps. You know the saying, "it's not the X's and the O's, it's the Jimmies and the Joes."
OK Mrs. Paterno. LOL
I'll take my chances on team" Big Guy". I'm more than comfortable holding the opinions I do. I give less than a shit whether you agree or not. I'm finished with this nonsense.
You stick with defending child predators and those that conceal them.
A word of advice. When you find yourself in a hole. Stop digging.
LOL, GS D is built on speed and schem. Fans complaint about undersized DL all the time. But why let facts get in the way.
Heard an interesting story. You almost had SC's coach. Was about to sign the contract before SC found out and made a bigger offer.
Maryland has a soft spot given he grew up a fan. Would have been a great hire for you guys.
Yes I agree with this. He should have done more rather than punt to his superiors, who didn't do enough either. This isn't willfully enabling and doesn't meet my scumbag standard.
Clownbell....who's defending the pedophile ? At least get your god-fearing facts straight. Did the big guy upstairs confide to you that Paterno knew ? Yep, I guess that settles it. You win.
The thing is they were Paternos superiors in name only. Paterno ran that entire University and the surrounding community. Nothing got done in state college without his approval. It was even mentioned in the emails that Spanier discussed with Paterno and any limitations and access to the program would be at Paternos disecretion.
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Yes, agree with this too. He was 'the boss' and as such had a greater obligation to investigate than he did. He had a lot more power than he exercised. My point is, that's not the same thing as willful enabling. Enabling means knowing and/or assisting.
I think most here have jealousy of everything PSU and attribute more vitriol than facts show.
People here still blame HC Franklin for enabling rapes at Vandy, which isn't true either. The over-the-top hate goes further than the actual events involve.
Sad.
So you think allowing Sandusky access to the program some 20 years after receiving first reports of rape is not enabling? Stop. Paterno he knew, allowed and granted access which by definition is enabled.
It was documented in the case. But as you say hey if that’s what you believe great! Don’t let facts get in the way. And this has nothing to do with being a Rutgers fan. It is about humanity. Not sure why that is hard for you to grasp. I don’t view child rape through a fans Lens. It’s sick that you would even imply that.
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Wow, interesting to hear it from the California side. Thank you for that. We knew there were serious discussions, and were excited about that (without Googling, I think it's a guy named 'Andy''?), but I didn't realize that it was that close to happening.
So far we are pretty happy with the coach from Seton Hall. Not just because they are 5-0, but because of how they play, and how they look while doing it. They likely won't do anything this year, but it's nice to see. I knew when Donta Scott, Hakim Hart, and Julian Reese decided not to transfer (ugh, Julian's sister did transfer out from the women's program) that Kevin Willard had something going on, because those guys would have been scooped up quickly from the portal...
edited to add: Willard already has Maryland ranked in the AP poll as of today.
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SC coach’s team lost this season to his previous stop, FGCU. FGCU turned around two days later and lost to Steve Lavin’s team.
Paterno had no superiors. You should know that since you seem to have been under his desk.
**** yourself idiot
Welcome to ignore
Who fired him then ? Sure he was near the the top of the food chain but when the shit hit the fan it was Sayonara, Joe.
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