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COLUMN: Rutgers football's collapse is even worse than fans might think
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It says nothing incorrect as to Rutgers collapse, but I don’t see the Indiana angle at all. It’s not like we have the same recruiting area.
As a long time Rutgers and college football fan, Indiana’s success doesn’t bother me. In fact, I am enjoying watching teams with a history of failure like Indiana and Vanderbilt do well.
As a long time Rutgers and college football fan, Indiana’s success doesn’t bother me. In fact, I am enjoying watching teams with a history of failure like Indiana and Vanderbilt do well.
Totally disagree. Josh Meyers would win a Pulitzer prize if the finalists were him and the NJ.com staff. It's actually quite well-written and researched. Politi could learn a lot from this young writer.
From the title of the article, I thought it was going to an in depth discussion of the state of the RU program. Maybe a discussion of the lack of quality depth, the limited use of the transfer portal or the situation with NIL. Instead it is a shallow and predictable comparison with the one year aberration of the success of Indiana football.
Posted this in the fire Schiano thread, and no, this does not mean Rutgers does nothing with respect to the head coach. This is just to point out that we are not the only team mired in futility. Just remember, Rutgers is not Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa or Wisconsin. After that, most of the remaining teams see middling results of losing seasons and occasional 6-8 win seasons. Greg will probably not get us up to or past the 8 win ceiling. Maybe our Curt Cignetti is out there somewhere.
Just for context, and how quickly things can turn around, take into account Indiana going back to 1994. Here's a question, what makes Rutgers so special to kick and scream and be pissed? :
Northwestern-mostly futile except for a few years under Fitz:
Minnesota--mixed results pre PJ Fleck,and they still bitch about him.
Illinois, mostly futile:
Even the once mighty Nebraska has basically sucked for the last 8-9 years:
Just for context, and how quickly things can turn around, take into account Indiana going back to 1994. Here's a question, what makes Rutgers so special to kick and scream and be pissed? :
| Rk | Year | Conf | W | L | T | Pct | W | L | T | Pct | SRS | SOS | AP Pre | AP High | AP Post | CFP High | CFP Final | Coach(es) | Bowl | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| llen (3-9) | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 3 | 2022 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 2 | 7 | 0 | .222 | -3.05 | 5.03 | Tom Allen (4-8) | |||||||
| 4 | 2021 | Big Ten | 2 | 10 | 0 | .167 | 0 | 9 | 0 | .000 | -4.70 | 8.63 | 17 | 17 | Tom Allen (2-10) | |||||
| 5 | 2020 | Big Ten | 6 | 2 | 0 | .750 | 6 | 1 | 0 | .857 | 13.71 | 4.46 | 7 | 12 | 11 | 11 | Tom Allen (6-2) | Outback Bowl (L) | ||
| 6 | 2019 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 5 | 4 | 0 | .556 | 5.79 | 1.49 | 24 | Tom Allen (8-5) | Gator Bowl (L) | |||||
| 7 | 2018 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 2 | 7 | 0 | .222 | 2.44 | 5.61 | Tom Allen (5-7) | |||||||
| 8 | 2017 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 2 | 7 | 0 | .222 | 4.74 | 4.90 | Tom Allen (5-7) | |||||||
| 9 | 2016 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 4 | 5 | 0 | .444 | 1.38 | 2.69 | Kevin Wilson (6-6), Tom Allen (0-1) | Foster Farms Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 10 | 2015 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 2.26 | 3.03 | Kevin Wilson (6-7) | Pinstripe Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 11 | 2014 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -5.32 | 1.43 | Kevin Wilson (4-8) | |||||||
| 12 | 2013 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 4.41 | 4.74 | Kevin Wilson (5-7) | |||||||
| 13 | 2012 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -5.53 | -0.61 | Kevin Wilson (4-8) | |||||||
| 14 | 2011 | Big Ten | 1 | 11 | 0 | .083 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -10.91 | 1.09 | Kevin Wilson (1-11) | |||||||
| 15 | 2010 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -4.49 | -1.15 | Bill Lynch (5-7) | |||||||
| 16 | 2009 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -5.75 | -0.25 | Bill Lynch (4-8) | |||||||
| 17 | 2008 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -8.73 | 1.44 | Bill Lynch (3-9) | |||||||
| 18 | 2007 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 0.34 | -1.43 | Bill Lynch (7-6) | Insight Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 19 | 2006 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -3.53 | 1.05 | Terry Hoeppner (5-7) | |||||||
| 20 | 2005 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -3.50 | 4.68 | Terry Hoeppner (4-7) | |||||||
| 21 | 2004 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -4.98 | 2.11 | Gerry DiNardo (3-8) | |||||||
| 22 | 2003 | Big Ten | 2 | 10 | 0 | .167 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -9.87 | 3.38 | Gerry DiNardo (2-10) | |||||||
| 23 | 2002 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -10.42 | 2.25 | Gerry DiNardo (3-9) | |||||||
| 24 | 2001 | Big Ten | 5 | 6 | 0 | .455 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 4.15 | 5.51 | Cam Cameron (5-6) | |||||||
| 25 | 2000 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -2.67 | 3.88 | Cam Cameron (3-8) | |||||||
| 26 | 1999 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -1.38 | 4.16 | Cam Cameron (4-7) | |||||||
| 27 | 1998 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 0.78 | 4.60 | Cam Cameron (4-7) | |||||||
| 28 | 1997 | Big Ten | 2 | 9 | 0 | .182 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -7.23 | 5.41 | Cam Cameron (2-9) | |||||||
| 29 | 1996 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -0.50 | 5.59 | Bill Mallory (3-8) | |||||||
| 30 | 1995 | Big Ten | 2 | 9 | 0 | .182 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -1.82 | 10.28 | Bill Mallory (2-9) | |||||||
| 31 | 1994 | Big Ten | 6 | 5 | 0 | .545 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 6.11 | 3.56 | 25 | Bill Mallory (6-5) |
Northwestern-mostly futile except for a few years under Fitz:
| Rk | Year | Conf | W | L | T | Pct | W | L | T | Pct | SRS | SOS | AP Pre | AP High | AP Post | CFP High | CFP Final | Coach(es) | Bowl | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| David Braun (3-5) | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 2 | 2023 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 5 | 4 | 0 | .556 | 2.53 | 2.45 | David Braun (8-5) | Las Vegas Bowl (W) | ||||||
| 3 | 2022 | Big Ten | 1 | 11 | 0 | .083 | 1 | 8 | 0 | .111 | -7.43 | 4.74 | Pat Fitzgerald (1-11) | |||||||
| 4 | 2021 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 8 | 0 | .111 | -5.72 | 3.70 | Pat Fitzgerald (3-9) | |||||||
| 5 | 2020 | Big Ten | 7 | 2 | 0 | .778 | 6 | 1 | 0 | .857 | 12.55 | 4.88 | 10 | 10 | 8 | 14 | Pat Fitzgerald (7-2) | Citrus Bowl (W) | ||
| 6 | 2019 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 8 | 0 | .111 | -3.13 | 3.46 | Pat Fitzgerald (3-9) | |||||||
| 7 | 2018 | Big Ten | 9 | 5 | 0 | .643 | 8 | 1 | 0 | .889 | 7.51 | 5.94 | 20 | 21 | 19 | 22 | Pat Fitzgerald (9-5) | Holiday Bowl (W) | ||
| 8 | 2017 | Big Ten | 10 | 3 | 0 | .769 | 7 | 2 | 0 | .778 | 11.36 | 5.13 | 17 | 17 | 21 | 21 | Pat Fitzgerald (10-3) | Music City Bowl (W) | ||
| 9 | 2016 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 5 | 4 | 0 | .556 | 5.46 | 3.07 | Pat Fitzgerald (7-6) | Pinstripe Bowl (W) | ||||||
| 10 | 2015 | Big Ten | 10 | 3 | 0 | .769 | 6 | 2 | 0 | .750 | 7.30 | 4.23 | 12 | 23 | 13 | 13 | Pat Fitzgerald (10-3) | Outback Bowl (L) | ||
| 11 | 2014 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 0.80 | 1.63 | Pat Fitzgerald (5-7) | |||||||
| 12 | 2013 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | 1.20 | 2.03 | 22 | 16 | Pat Fitzgerald (5-7) | |||||
| 13 | 2012 | Big Ten | 10 | 3 | 0 | .769 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 8.97 | 0.97 | 17 | 17 | Pat Fitzgerald (10-3) | Gator Bowl (W) | ||||
| 14 | 2011 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 1.66 | 0.43 | Pat Fitzgerald (6-7) | Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas (L) | ||||||
| 15 | 2010 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -1.44 | -1.06 | Pat Fitzgerald (7-6) | Ticket City Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 16 | 2009 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | -0.39 | -1.93 | Pat Fitzgerald (8-5) | Outback Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 17 | 2008 | Big Ten | 9 | 4 | 0 | .692 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 4.82 | -0.11 | 22 | Pat Fitzgerald (9-4) | Alamo Bowl (L) | |||||
| 18 | 2007 | Big Ten | 6 | 6 | 0 | .500 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -3.70 | -1.45 | Pat Fitzgerald (6-6) | |||||||
| 19 | 2006 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -7.39 | 0.11 | Pat Fitzgerald (4-8) | |||||||
| 20 | 2005 | Big Ten | 7 | 5 | 0 | .583 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 9.27 | 8.44 | 21 | Randy Walker (7-5) | Sun Bowl (L) | |||||
| 21 | 2004 | Big Ten | 6 | 6 | 0 | .500 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 1.71 | 5.04 | Randy Walker (6-6) | |||||||
| 22 | 2003 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 0.09 | 4.47 | Randy Walker (6-7) | Motor City Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 23 | 2002 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -8.05 | 3.36 | Randy Walker (3-9) | |||||||
| 24 | 2001 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -1.01 | 3.26 | 16 | 14 | Randy Walker (4-7) | |||||
| 25 | 2000 | Big Ten | 8 | 4 | 0 | .667 | 6 | 2 | 0 | .750 | 8.85 | 4.26 | 12 | Randy Walker (8-4) | Alamo Bowl (L) | |||||
| 26 | 1999 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -5.76 | 6.06 | Randy Walker (3-8) | |||||||
| 27 | 1998 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -6.28 | 2.72 | Gary Barnett (3-9) | |||||||
| 28 | 1997 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 2.56 | 4.48 | 21 | Gary Barnett (5-7) | ||||||
| 29 | 1996 | Big Ten | 9 | 3 | 0 | .750 | 7 | 1 | 0 | .875 | 8.75 | 2.84 | 18 | 10 | 15 | Gary Barnett (9-3) | Citrus Bowl (L) |
Minnesota--mixed results pre PJ Fleck,and they still bitch about him.
| Rk | Year | Conf | W | L | T | Pct | W | L | T | Pct | SRS | SOS | AP Pre | AP High | AP Post | CFP High | CFP Final | Coach(es) | Bowl | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Quick Lane Bowl (W) | ||||||||||||||||||||
| 3 | 2022 | Big Ten | 9 | 4 | 0 | .692 | 5 | 4 | 0 | .556 | 8.48 | -0.21 | 21 | P.J. Fleck (9-4) | Pinstripe Bowl (W) | |||||
| 4 | 2021 | Big Ten | 9 | 4 | 0 | .692 | 6 | 3 | 0 | .667 | 10.17 | 2.94 | 20 | P.J. Fleck (9-4) | Guaranteed Rate Bowl (W) | |||||
| 5 | 2020 | Big Ten | 3 | 4 | 0 | .429 | 3 | 4 | 0 | .429 | -1.32 | 2.10 | 19 | 19 | P.J. Fleck (3-4) | |||||
| 6 | 2019 | Big Ten | 11 | 2 | 0 | .846 | 7 | 2 | 0 | .778 | 11.73 | 2.11 | 7 | 10 | 8 | 18 | P.J. Fleck (11-2) | Outback Bowl (W) | ||
| 7 | 2018 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 3 | 6 | 0 | .333 | 5.28 | 4.05 | P.J. Fleck (7-6) | Quick Lane Bowl (W) | ||||||
| 8 | 2017 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 2 | 7 | 0 | .222 | 3.36 | 4.78 | P.J. Fleck (5-7) | |||||||
| 9 | 2016 | Big Ten | 9 | 4 | 0 | .692 | 5 | 4 | 0 | .556 | 8.65 | 1.65 | Tracy Claeys (9-4) | Holiday Bowl (W) | ||||||
| 10 | 2015 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 2.46 | 4.84 | Jerry Kill (4-3), Tracy Claeys (2-4) | Quick Lane Bowl (W) | ||||||
| 11 | 2014 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 6.74 | 3.04 | 22 | 18 | 25 | Jerry Kill (8-5) | Citrus Bowl (L) | |||
| 12 | 2013 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 5.27 | 1.35 | Jerry Kill (8-5) | Texas Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 13 | 2012 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -3.25 | 0.13 | Jerry Kill (6-7) | Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas (L) | ||||||
| 14 | 2011 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -6.04 | 3.21 | Jerry Kill (3-9) | |||||||
| 15 | 2010 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -5.06 | 3.53 | Tim Brewster (1-6), Jeff Horton (2-3) | |||||||
| 16 | 2009 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -0.10 | 2.67 | Tim Brewster (6-7) | Insight Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 17 | 2008 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 0.01 | 0.09 | 20 | Tim Brewster (7-6) | Insight Bowl (L) | |||||
| 18 | 2007 | Big Ten | 1 | 11 | 0 | .083 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -11.69 | -0.02 | Tim Brewster (1-11) | |||||||
| 19 | 2006 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 1.45 | 1.84 | Glen Mason (6-7) | Insight Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 20 | 2005 | Big Ten | 7 | 5 | 0 | .583 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 11.31 | 6.81 | 18 | Glen Mason (7-5) | Music City Bowl (L) | |||||
| 21 | 2004 | Big Ten | 7 | 5 | 0 | .583 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 5.74 | 1.49 | 25 | 13 | Glen Mason (7-5) | Music City Bowl (W) | ||||
| 22 | 2003 | Big Ten | 10 | 3 | 0 | .769 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 11.88 | -0.04 | 17 | 20 | Glen Mason (10-3) | Sun Bowl (W) | ||||
| 23 | 2002 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 5.02 | 1.17 | 23 | Glen Mason (8-5) | Music City Bowl (W) | |||||
| 24 | 2001 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -0.70 | 1.76 | Glen Mason (4-7) | |||||||
| 25 | 2000 | Big Ten | 6 | 6 | 0 | .500 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 3.02 | 0.10 | 22 | Glen Mason (6-6) | Micron PC Bowl (L) | |||||
| 26 | 1999 | Big Ten | 8 | 4 | 0 | .667 | 5 | 3 | 0 | .625 | 11.81 | 1.39 | 12 | 18 | Glen Mason (8-4) | Sun Bowl (L) | ||||
| 27 | 1998 | Big Ten | 5 | 6 | 0 | .455 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 3.12 | 5.12 | Glen Mason (5-6) | |||||||
| 28 | 1997 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -5.78 | 2.39 | Glen Mason (3-9) | |||||||
| 29 | 1996 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -0.04 | 6.41 | Jim Wacker (4-7) | |||||||
| 30 | 1995 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | 2.23 | 9.05 | Jim Wacker (3-8) | |||||||
| 31 | 1994 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | 2.97 | 7.88 | Jim Wacker (3-8) | |||||||
| 32 | 1993 | Big Ten | 4 | 7 | 0 | .364 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -1.42 | 4.67 | Jim Wacker (4-7) | |||||||
| 33 | 1992 | Big Ten | 2 | 9 | 0 | .182 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -4.47 | 3.53 | Jim Wacker (2-9) |
Illinois, mostly futile:
| Rk | Year | Conf | W | L | T | Pct | W | L | T | Pct | SRS | SOS | AP Pre | AP High | AP Post | CFP High | CFP Final | Coach(es) | Bowl | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | 2023 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 6 | 0 | .333 | -0.42 | 3.84 | Bret Bielema (5-7) | |||||||
| 3 | 2022 | Big Ten | 8 | 5 | 0 | .615 | 5 | 4 | 0 | .556 | 10.01 | 1.17 | 14 | 16 | Bret Bielema (8-5) | ReliaQuest Bowl (L) | ||||
| 4 | 2021 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 4 | 5 | 0 | .444 | 2.20 | 4.61 | Bret Bielema (5-7) | |||||||
| 5 | 2020 | Big Ten | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -6.39 | 4.36 | Lovie Smith (2-5), Rod Smith (0-1) | |||||||
| 6 | 2019 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 4 | 5 | 0 | .444 | -0.08 | 0.61 | Lovie Smith (6-7) | Redbox Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 7 | 2018 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 2 | 7 | 0 | .222 | -6.05 | 0.79 | Lovie Smith (4-8) | |||||||
| 8 | 2017 | Big Ten | 2 | 10 | 0 | .167 | 0 | 9 | 0 | .000 | -7.87 | 5.38 | Lovie Smith (2-10) | |||||||
| 9 | 2016 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 2 | 7 | 0 | .222 | -7.75 | 3.75 | Lovie Smith (3-9) | |||||||
| 10 | 2015 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 1.18 | 3.26 | Bill Cubit (5-7) | |||||||
| 11 | 2014 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | -2.53 | 3.00 | Tim Beckman (6-7) | Heart of Dallas Bowl (L) | ||||||
| 12 | 2013 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -3.86 | 1.98 | Tim Beckman (4-8) | |||||||
| 13 | 2012 | Big Ten | 2 | 10 | 0 | .167 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -10.35 | 2.56 | Tim Beckman (2-10) | |||||||
| 14 | 2011 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | 2.63 | 1.17 | 16 | Ron Zook (6-6), Vic Koenning (1-0) | Fight Hunger Bowl (W) | |||||
| 15 | 2010 | Big Ten | 7 | 6 | 0 | .538 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 7.77 | 1.47 | Ron Zook (7-6) | Texas Bowl (W) | ||||||
| 16 | 2009 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 2 | 6 | 0 | .250 | -3.67 | 2.24 | Ron Zook (3-9) | |||||||
| 17 | 2008 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 2.96 | 2.04 | 20 | 20 | Ron Zook (5-7) | |||||
| 18 | 2007 | Big Ten | 9 | 4 | 0 | .692 | 6 | 2 | 0 | .750 | 8.07 | 1.76 | 13 | 20 | Ron Zook (9-4) | Rose Bowl (L) | ||||
| 19 | 2006 | Big Ten | 2 | 10 | 0 | .167 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -5.87 | 1.13 | Ron Zook (2-10) | |||||||
| 20 | 2005 | Big Ten | 2 | 9 | 0 | .182 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -7.54 | 7.37 | Ron Zook (2-9) | |||||||
| 21 | 2004 | Big Ten | 3 | 8 | 0 | .273 | 1 | 7 | 0 | .125 | -4.53 | 1.83 | Ron Turner (3-8) | |||||||
| 22 | 2003 | Big Ten | 1 | 11 | 0 | .083 | 0 | 8 | 0 | .000 | -8.63 | 4.62 | Ron Turner (1-11) | |||||||
| 23 | 2002 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 4 | 4 | 0 | .500 | 2.56 | 2.89 | Ron Turner (5-7) |
Even the once mighty Nebraska has basically sucked for the last 8-9 years:
| 2023 | 5 | 7 | .417 | 3 | 6 | .333 | ||||||||||||||
| 3 | 2022 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 3 | 6 | 0 | .333 | -2.14 | 2.11 | Scott Frost (1-2), Mickey Joseph (3-6) | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 4 | 2021 | Big Ten | 3 | 9 | 0 | .250 | 1 | 8 | 0 | .111 | 7.10 | 6.60 | Scott Frost (3-9) | |||||||
| 5 | 2020 | Big Ten | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 0.14 | 5.14 | Scott Frost (3-5) | |||||||
| 6 | 2019 | Big Ten | 5 | 7 | 0 | .417 | 3 | 6 | 0 | .333 | 2.67 | 4.00 | 24 | 24 | Scott Frost (5-7) | |||||
| 7 | 2018 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 3 | 6 | 0 | .333 | 3.48 | 4.82 | Scott Frost (4-8) | |||||||
| 8 | 2017 | Big Ten | 4 | 8 | 0 | .333 | 3 | 6 | 0 | .333 | 1.52 | 8.18 | Mike Riley (4-8) | |||||||
| 9 | 2016 | Big Ten | 9 | 4 | 0 | .692 | 6 | 3 | 0 | .667 | 7.55 | 2.94 | 7 | 10 | Mike Riley (9-4) | Music City Bowl (L) | ||||
| 10 | 2015 | Big Ten | 6 | 7 | 0 | .462 | 3 | 5 | 0 | .375 | 6.56 | 3.94 | Mike Riley (6-7) | Foster Farms Bowl (W) |
Because see the post immediately above yours. We have not suffered nearly as long as Indiana, and they have been a member of the B1G longer than Rutgers.
One other thing- the landscape has changed significantly with NIL. According to press accounts, our former AD was not proactive about NIL, and we need an AD who is proactive and creative with NIL so that Rutgers can attract better players through the portal. Also, NIL is it currently stands will change in the near future (1-3 years?) where schools should be able to fund NIL directly. Rutgers is in a good position with this being in the B1G.
It remains to be seen if this year is a step back before an improvement, or is it a downward spiral.
simply put; RU accepts mediocrity
just look at the excuses on this board and general attitude to RU football for no further validation
Fair point. Maybe if the title was the following, the column would fit:
Rutgers football's collapse feels even worse than it may actually be
Unverified sources say Rutgers had an amount greater than $1.5M, perhaps as high as $3M.
3M is reported but who knows how much of that is real, misleading or lies and that goes for any school, even the bigger names.
I've posted these stats here before from tv or articles I've read. This isn't some coveted group of players that everyone wanted and many here would've panned the assembly of said group as not B10 worthy. Only, now in hindsight people act like what a bunch of good players.
90% of the roster are 0-3 stars out of high school.
44 players on the team were 0 stars out of high school
I read Rourke was only recruited by Vandy, BYU, WF when he entered the portal.
30 transfers taken (I thought it was 23), 13 from JMU.
Only 14 starters out of 40 stayed on the team. 37 players hit the portal. 3 returning starters and 14 transfers in their starting lineup against NW.
The OL was pretty much the same group as last year according to a Forde article.
I've posted these stats here before from tv or articles I've read. This isn't some coveted group of players that everyone wanted and many here would've panned the assembly of said group as not B10 worthy. Only, now in hindsight people act like what a bunch of good players.
90% of the roster are 0-3 stars out of high school.
44 players on the team were 0 stars out of high school
I read Rourke was only recruited by Vandy, BYU, WF when he entered the portal.
30 transfers taken (I thought it was 23), 13 from JMU.
Only 14 starters out of 40 stayed on the team. 37 players hit the portal. 3 returning starters and 14 transfers in their starting lineup against NW.
The OL was pretty much the same group as last year according to a Forde article.
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When we get in charge at RU, things will be different. . . . .
Cash is the name of this formerly amateur game.Spend,.buy and win.Might as well just watch and root for the NFL
Yeah, don't really understand why posters keep bringing that up like it exacerbates our bad season. Indiana's been in the B10 since 1899, before OSU ...it should be better than us.
If anything, it's encouraging to see it rise so quickly from the same level of bottom-dwelling obscurity as RU to a potential playoff season. Proof that it can be done in the current P2 landscape, and fast.
If Greg's decade+ developmental plan can't get it done here ...NEXT MAN UP.
This sounds like a triumph of coaching and player development.
Not accepting mediocrity caused us to fire Frank Burns and hire Dick Anderson.
Not accepting mediocrity caused us to fire Dick Graber and hire Terry Shea.
Not accepting mediocrity caused us to fire Kyle Flood and hire Chris Ash.
Does anyone here have any reason to trust the Rutgers hiring process while not accepting mediocrity?
A little analysis of how Indiana got there, 23 new players through the portal and bucks for NIL, would have made a good article even better.
I’ve said that multiple times here. I like rooting for underdogs but the underlying thing behind that is good accomplishments can be achieved by lower status schools. I see us in them. I’ve been saying the field has been widening from the top on down with portal and all the rest. I think schools being able to pay players will be another thing that helps and schools in the P2 will have a leg up on the other 2 because of the bigger revenues.
I’ve seen 1.5-2M but I don’t believe those figures either.
I’ve posted excerpts from that Bloomberg article here and have read a bunch others, and it’s all opaque and purposely hidden. You can’t take any of it at face value even for the big brand schools. It can be real or lies or misleading or creative accounting etc…
If there was transparency like we see with coaching contracts then I can believe it but otherwise who the heck knows how much is real, inflated, lies or whatnot and that’s for everyone. Schools paying players should actually help with transparency, hopefully lol.
The $3M that I saw was an estimate. Doubt we have more than $1M
Speaking of improving a team. Women''s teams can keep transgender men off their teams by a simple testosterone test. If one is a hormonal male. You don't get to play on a team of girls no matter what you appear to. Loook Like. Women's team for girls only. When your hormones say you are a man go play with the other boys
stop
just look at the attitude on many of our fans here. How many people at RU have you spoken to, now and historically (those in positions of power and decision making), how about the state?
not a hill you want to die on
The article is just a re-hash of what happened. Title and article do not agree.
if there was nothing to what I said, you would not have replied.
You know there is *something* of concern either way.. sticking with the guy who brought us back to bowl games.. again.. or changing him for a pig in a poke. You can assume all you like that we'd hire the next Cignetti. I see no proof that will happen. I'd stick with what we have and see if he gets it done.. even if it takes more time than I would have liked.. even if he never gets there.
Here's a list of all the new coaches for 2024. How many COULD we have hired (not offered, how many could we afford and how many would have said YES to Rutgers). How many Cignettis are on that list? I'm sorry.. you Fire Schiano guys are just too sure of yourselves.
2024 Coaching Changes
| Team | 2023 Coach (Record) | 2024 Coach |
|---|---|---|
| Alabama | Nick Saban (12-2) | Kalen DeBoer |
| Arizona | Jedd Fisch (10-3) | Brent Brennan |
| Boise State | Andy Avalos (5-5), I Spencer Danielson (3-0), Spencer Danielson (0-1) | Spencer Danielson |
| Boston College | Jeff Hafley | Bill O'Brien |
| Duke | Mike Elko (7-5), B Trooper Taylor (1-0) | Manny Diaz |
| Fresno State | Jeff Tedford (8-4), B Tim Skipper (1-0) | I Tim Skipper |
| Houston | Dana Holgorsen (4-8) | Willie Fritz |
| Indiana | Tom Allen (3-9) | Curt Cignetti |
| James Madison | Curt Cignetti (11-1), B Damian Wroblewski (0-1) | Bob Chesney |
| Louisiana-Monroe | Terry Bowden (2-10) | Bryant Vincent |
| Michigan | Temporary during season opening 3-game suspension of Jim Harbaugh I Jesse Minter (1-0) I Jay Harbaugh/Mike Hart (1-0) I Sherrone Moore (1-0) Temporary during season ending 3-game suspension of Jim Harbaugh (7-0) I Sherrone Moore (3-0) Jim Harbaugh (9-0) | Sherrone Moore |
| Michigan State | Mel Tucker (2-0), I Harlon Bennett (2-8) | Jonathan Smith |
| Middle Tennessee | Rick Stockstill (4-8) | Derek Mason |
| Mississippi State | Zach Arnett (4-6), IGreg Knox (1-1) | Jeff Lebby |
| Nevada | Ken Wilson (2-10) | Jeff Choate |
| New Mexico | Danny Gonzales (4-8) | Bronco Mendenhall |
| New Mexico State | Jerry Kill (10-4) | Tony Sanchez |
| Northwestern | I David Braun (5-5), David Braun (3-0) | David Braun |
| Oregon State | Jonathan Smith (8-4), Trent Bray (1-0) | Trent Bray |
| San Diego State | Brady Hoke (4-8) | Sean Lewis |
| San Jose State | Brent Brennan (7-6) | Ken Niumatalolo |
| South Alabama | Kane Wommack (7-6) | Major Applewhite |
| Syracuse | Dino Babers (5-6), I Nunzio Campanile (1-1) | Fran Brown |
| Texas A&M | Jimbo Fisher (6-4), I Elijah Robinson (1-2) | Mike Elko |
| Troy | Jon Sumrall (11-2), B Greg Gasparato (0-1) | Gerad Parker |
| Tulane | Willie Fritz (11-2), B Slade Nagle (0-1) | Jon Sumrall |
| Utah State | Blake Anderson (6-7) | Nate Dreiling I |
| UTEP | Dana Dimel (3-9) | Scotty Walden |
| Washington | Kalen DeBoer (14-1) | Jedd Fisch |
| Wyoming | Craig Bohl (9-4) | Jay Sawvel (after bowl) |
It’s the daily Targum…not sports illustrated from 1985 .
Kid probably typed it up riding the bus to Douglas
Kid probably typed it up riding the bus to Douglas
Am I missing something?
Yes Indiana is having a dream season.
Why does that make it worse here than we think?
Did Indiana take our lunch money?
Yes Indiana is having a dream season.
Why does that make it worse here than we think?
Did Indiana take our lunch money?
I live in Pittsburgh and it's been (painfully) interesting watching our one time conference mates on the opposite trajectory we are. They were predicted to have a sub .500 season and now are talking about the college playoff vs. 10-2 season. We were talked about as a college playoff darkhhorse - 10-2 team and now facing a possible sub .500 season. Frank Cignetti's been around for a while - w mediocre+ results (3-9 last year), Pitt doesn't have a strong NIL ... the talking heads attribute it largely to the performance of transfer frosh QB Eli Holstien.
Joe Starkey made the interesting comment that there is no such thing as a "program" in college football anymore. Win this year with what you have, scrap it and start all over next year. Funny ... because the "program" is, largely, what gave me so much hope for this year.
Joe Starkey made the interesting comment that there is no such thing as a "program" in college football anymore. Win this year with what you have, scrap it and start all over next year. Funny ... because the "program" is, largely, what gave me so much hope for this year.
Year to year is exactly it. I’ve said that multiple times here. IU is having a great year but next year who knows. Just strike as hard as you can while the iron is hot.
Just like Cincy and TCU, those were great years for those schools. It didn’t last but it was a great ride and something that wasn’t even possible before. It doesn’t necessarily last even if you have deep pockets either just like we see with FSU this year.
