They just became tentative on defense because of the foul trouble. And tonight I blame that on the referees as much as on the team.
Contrary to what the announcer said RU did not run out of gas at the end
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We lost because we STILL can't shoot. Couldn't really get a clean shot off in the 2nd half. SHU played really good defense.
We don't shoot well from 3 and our interior O is mediocre. It's hard to beat a team as talented and complete as SHU, especially on the road, with those types of deficiencies.
Our defense generates the offense when we are playing well. You lose that by becoming tentative. I believe that the officiating changed the flow of the game.
our deficiencies in the half court offense showed in the last 5 minutes, no go to guy, undersized and lack of 3 point threat plus I do think we were gassed a bit
Seton Hall definitely came out in the second half and controlled the tempo, pace of the game got quicker, our shots were a little more rushed, bigs missed some chippies.
I did think there were some head scratchers called by the officials.
I did think there were some head scratchers called by the officials.
There were a couple of times that I thought the officiating changed the momentum of the game. However, Carrington's threes and Delgado taking over the low-post were the real momentum changers. When you have that kind of inside outside game, it's almost impossible to stop. Their offense dictated the type of defense we played and their skill level was just too great for us to make up the difference with effort. We're well coached, but without consistent inside and outside scoring, we'll continue to lose games to highly skilled opponents.
There will be nights when things come together and we beat a better team. However, to do that consistently, it requires more talented shooters and bigs. Things are clearly moving in the right direction. We just need better players. And that's OK considering where the program has been over the last 5 years.
slight criticism of Pike but I thought when RU was tied I think, they had two very bad possession, it was somewhere like 53-53 or RU may have been up. I think it was a critical point where RU lost touch from there, two bad offensive plays out of control and I thought that Pike needed a timeout before any of those plays happened to settle things down
Basically, their big guy took over down low, and our big guy missed 5-footer after 5-footer and fouled out.
Loved the effort, but not much else to love (oh, wait, the free throw shooting). Seton Hall didn't play great and beat us. Moving on ...
Loved the effort, but not much else to love (oh, wait, the free throw shooting). Seton Hall didn't play great and beat us. Moving on ...
Seton Hall won because they have Carrington and Delgado who were the two most talented players on the court.
and these are all the things that you and I discussed with our one overly optimistic friend in that one thread. Too many limitations on the team to start projecting 8 or 9 Big 10 victories
And I thought Pike should have changed it up on D with a possession or 2 of zone. We were a bit tired and that might have changed the rhythm of the game.
It wasn't his finest game as coach.
The compete level in the 1st half was extraordinary. 2nd half we wore down. Big play in the game was Carrington hitting a 3 with Nigel going under a screen. I think the issue was Nigel didn't see the screen and we weren't communicating.
Limitations in successful shooting cost us the game tonight.
1) The first half was the best defensive half of basketball any Rutgers team has ever played since the Final Four team. They contested almost every shot by Carrington and Delgado and they both struggled . But for the uncharacteristic lousy rebounding failing to keep Seton Hall off the glass , they would have held Seton Hall to 15 points for the half and should have been up by 15-20.
2) The number of missed layups tonite having nothing to do with Seton Hall was mind boggling. CJ missed at least 3, Sa at least 2 including a dunk,and walked on 2 others, 1by Freeman, 3 by Nigel, 1 by Corey.
3) Besides the missed layups , there was at least 5 times we could have had an old fashioned 3 point game and every time we did not have enough strength or moxie to convert .
4) The turnovers the last few games especially unforced are disturbing. 19 turnovers tonite let Seton Hall hang around too long until they made their run. Corey has lost the ball more times this year than all of last year and I was expecting him to become an even better ball handler. If we are going to win in conference have to keep it at 10 or under.
5) Absolutely love what Coach Pikiell and his staff has done both with his demand for defense, hustle and rebounding and his seamless substitutions in the flow of the game. Managing a roster of 10 and after Diallo played tonight , it will be 11 , is difficult but he is taking advantage of the best depth Rutgers has ever had.
However, he deserves a small bit of criticism tonight for the offense that played a little too much one on one and with not
enough ball movement that would have tired out Seton Hall but did not occur. His failure to play inside out when we needed a hoop was bad. Mike should not have been going one on one , almost losing his balance and missing the three. Corey or Nigel should have broken down their defender and Mike should have been waiting at the three point line at the wing where he hit the one to bring the score to 48-47 or in the corner. We could have used 1-2 more threes at that point that would have likely won the game. Also, the team played so hard defensively , he should have switched to zone and back on alternating trips to give the guys a blow . He switched to zone once in the first half, it worked great and Carrington had to launch a 30 footer at the end of the clock and should have used it again, especially with our foul trouble and not handling Delgado one on one because of foul trouble .
6) The reffing by that Big 10 crew tonight especially Dorsey and Gaffney affected a good part of the game and bailed out Seton Hall by putting them at the line when the defense prevented uncontested shots from their guards most of the night. Coach did a masterful job in overcoming 16 fouls on our bigs and guys like Diallo and Sa stepped up for blocks without much drop off but giving them free throws prematurely hurt us.
All in all, this game is frustrating as hell since we really should have won by 10-15 points and if we played 10 times , 5-5 would likely be the outcome .
I am even more convinced that this team has the capability to get 8 Big 10 wins with just a couple of things executed a little bit better.
How many layups uncontested did we miss and how many "and ones " did we not make. That is over 20 points. At the end of the first half for the last 8 minutes when our defense was as good as it has ever been and Seton Hall was not coming close to scoring and Delgado was on the bench we went from 21-21 to 32-23 at the half. We should have been up at least 17-20 if we had just made some of our missed layups and not been incredibly sloppy with the ball. Yeah , Seton Hall , would have made their second half run, to cut it to 7-9, but then we would have stabilized like we did. Remember this is either a tied or 1-2 point game from the 16 minute mark to about the 3 minute mark.
you arent serious are you. How many misses did Seton Hall have that normally go in. SHU played poorly in the first half. You have RU up by 20...come on give me a break here, thats not how it works. These things work both ways you know. Its not all about RU. We are not as talented as SHU. SHU won the game last night because they are the better team period. They would probably win this game 8 out of 10 times. They took control and then dominated RU when it mattered. RU missed layups because players like Getty and Freeman were rushing shots against better competition who are athletic. This is what happens with the step up in competition and thats why I said as much during the run through the cupcakes.
Well said.
A veteran team with lots of pride came out ready to play in the 2nd half and RU came out sloppy.
It was the turning point of the game.
The officials did not have a good night and unfortunately most of the bad calls went against RU.
The better team won last night but I think RU could have stole it if more of their players had better games.
Thiam being sick is a huge loss for us on the offensive end
Seton Hall missed shots because we locked them up. Obviously, , you only believe things I say when you hear it from another source. Read the Seton Hall responses to why Delgado went 2-10 n the first half ! We did not give up 1 open look to their guards in the first half that caused them to play bad. We were dominating them and should have had a much bigger lead. Go ahead and chalk it up to Seton Hall just being off but that is not what their head coach or their fans thought at half. I have already discussed how our offense in the second half made it easier for them and Coach Pikiell already pointed out how the first 4 minutes coming out of the half is where the game and our lead turned. We gave up 3 uncontested layups and an open 3 on a drive and dish, something that was non existent in the first half.
How in the world did you know Seton Hall was going to win when it was either tied or a few point game for almost the entire second half. Don't let the final score differential affect how the game went down. Despite Delgado making those difficult second half shots , they did not dominate us like you claim and if we hit 1-2 more threes we win the game end of story. Sorry your eyes did not see it that way.
yes the RU defense was very good in the first half but you are fooling yourself if its just a matter of RU makes a few shots and the lead is 20, its absurd. SHU dominated RU in the second half....49-29 proves that, just like RU dominated in the first half, RU only won that half by 9 because they arent good enough to take advantage and make all their shots and be up 20, its as simple as that, no sense playing what if
keep dreaming of your 6-7 threes a night winning games for RU..thats not happening. You keep playing a what if game.. what if SHU hit their free throws, what if RU had Douby, what if my aunt had balls..the team is what it is. Pike is getting everything out of them, but they are limited and when they play better competition it shows by games end. Its going to hurt them in Big 10 play. They will win games but its tough to expect more than 6 and its not fair really. You are putting expectations on this team that they probably are not capable of
keep dreaming of your 6-7 threes a night winning games for RU..thats not happening. You keep playing a what if game.. what if SHU hit their free throws, what if RU had Douby, what if my aunt had balls..the team is what it is. Pike is getting everything out of them, but they are limited and when they play better competition it shows by games end. Its going to hurt them in Big 10 play. They will win games but its tough to expect more than 6 and its not fair really. You are putting expectations on this team that they probably are not capable of
Goru - Hall missed min of three wide open looks in first half, prob more ,that's off top of my head.
In the second half Delgado was catching passes right in his wheelhouse within five feet, zero chance to defend that. Carrington made the shots he normally does in second half.
Without Nigel's midrange jumpers and Corey's penetration we are out of that game early. Actually can be said Nigel shot better than he has all season. There was literally nobody else. I normally don't say to myself , 'we need to free Williams' but I was saying that. Freeman the only other threat and he just can't play his game in paint vs the higher competition. There is a reason why he went to junior college. If he only had a 12-15 footer in his game...
In the second half Delgado was catching passes right in his wheelhouse within five feet, zero chance to defend that. Carrington made the shots he normally does in second half.
Without Nigel's midrange jumpers and Corey's penetration we are out of that game early. Actually can be said Nigel shot better than he has all season. There was literally nobody else. I normally don't say to myself , 'we need to free Williams' but I was saying that. Freeman the only other threat and he just can't play his game in paint vs the higher competition. There is a reason why he went to junior college. If he only had a 12-15 footer in his game...
Let me say your negative tilt never ceases to amaze. What part of that second half did Seton Hall dominate. 49-29 proves nothing . We let them get easy uncontested shots in first few minutes. Listen to Coach Pikiell you stubborn person. If we had the bigger lead in the first half that we should have had, we could have withstood it until we got back to defending after 4 minutes in. We had the lead until 1215 left at 42-41. The game was either tied or a few points either way until it was 59-55 with 2.40 left. Where is the domination? You repeatedly fail to accept facts and make a stupid statement like they dominated us. You my friend have a negative tilt on everything Rutgers basketball. You are calling it being a "realist". Let's deal with your ridiculous realism , Nigel Johnson was not good, Rutgers will be lucky to win 4 Big 10 games, the guys missing last year that were hurt or sitting out would make no difference. Now your latest "realism" moves the goalposts and now you can see Rutgers hitting a ceiling of 6 conference wins. Someone like me , sees 2 true road wins, a neutral site win, an undefeated RAC home record in the out of conference, a team that has hardly played well for an entire 40 minutes, has not shot well but is capable of shooting better, a team missing tons of uncontested layups or 4 foot shots against all types of competition, and truly believes we have a good chance of winning 8 conference games. Especially if we hit only 6 threes a game. You believe this team is not capable of it and I strongly disagree. If I would have seen our team playing out of their mind, hitting ridiculous shots and arriving at our record by pure luck, maybe 4-6 wins would be their ceiling. That is The furthest thing away from "real".
This was the biggest reason to me. SHU stayed in the game by killing RU on the offensive boards.
I guess u cannot keep your real facts straight. You making up what other people say, especially if positive for Ru. It would not be the first time you misquote people.
This is consistent with my original point. When they got tentative on defense, I think because of the way the game was being called, it affected them on both ends of the court.
I thought we should have thrown a couple of possessions after the 8 minute time out to just get them to think a bit and slow them down for a couple of possessions before coming down the stretch
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