Current state of northeastern football

[brgossRU90]

The latest massey composite ranking says it all:

Temple 27
Navy 28
Penn state 32
Pittsburgh 36
Maryland 81
Rutgers 83
Syracuse 85
Boston college 86
Connecticut 87
Buffalo 89
Massachusetts 111
Army 114

 

[OTBOTOR]

At least we are ahead of Su and Connie?

 

[jabba2]

Leftout WV. But Penn State is typically the only eastern team that gets ranked every year. Other schools maybe once or twice a decade.

 

[REDRICH65]

Sad.

 

[Abro1975]

Lambert Trophy Winners last 5 years :

2014- Rutgers (won Quick Lane Bowl)
2013- Penn St (no bowl)
2012- Cinncinnati (Won Belk Bowl)
2011- W Va (Won Orange Bowl)
2010- UConn (lost Fiesta Bowl)

2010Connecticut8–5NRLost Fiesta2011West Virginia10–3#17Won Orange2012Cincinnati10–3NRWon Belk2013Penn State7–5NRNo Bowl2014Rutgers8–5NRWon Quick Lane

 

[S.B. Crumb]

I'm not sure why there isn't more interest in the Navy coach.

HC for 8 years. Winning football at a place where you get zero recruits (If you think it's just the schedule, how's Army been doing under the same conditions?). Protoge of the previous coach, who is doing pretty well himself at a P5 school. Gotta guess he's a stand-up guy being the coach at an academy, if you think that's important.

Is the option that off-putting? I think he'd be a pretty good fit at RU. We don't have OSU/UM/PSU/etc. recruits, but imagine those teams having to deal with the option every year with even decent recruits. It would drive them crazy.

 

[brgossRU90]

Leftout WV. But Penn State is typically the only eastern team that gets ranked every year. Other schools maybe once or twice a decade.

But programs like Maryland, Rutgers, Syracuse and Boston College certainly should be better than wallowing in the 80s, far behind teams like Marshall, Iowa State, Georgia Southern, South Florida and Arkansas State to name but a few. All of these teams can and should be at least somewhere from the 30s to the 50s.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I'm not sure why there isn't more interest in the Navy coach.

HC for 8 years. Winning football at a place where you get zero recruits (If you think it's just the schedule, how's Army been doing under the same conditions?). Protoge of the previous coach, who is doing pretty well himself at a P5 school. Gotta guess he's a stand-up guy being the coach at an academy, if you think that's important.

Is the option that off-putting? I think he'd be a pretty good fit at RU. We don't have OSU/UM/PSU/etc. recruits, but imagine those teams having to deal with the option every year with even decent recruits. It would drive them crazy.

1. Leave my coach alone.

2. You can't win in the B10 with that offense. Period. Full Stop.

 

[mal359]

WVU isn't Northeastern football. Neither is Maryland.

Even Pitt can be argued.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

1. Leave my coach alone.

2. You can't win in the B10 with that offense. Period. Full Stop.

1) I knew that might get your attention. lol
2) Probably, but short-term we aren't winning it anyway. I do think the option would propel us to just below upper-echelon in the B1G if executed correctly.

 

[tico brown]

I'm not sure why there isn't more interest in the Navy coach.

HC for 8 years. Winning football at a place where you get zero recruits (If you think it's just the schedule, how's Army been doing under the same conditions?). Protoge of the previous coach, who is doing pretty well himself at a P5 school. Gotta guess he's a stand-up guy being the coach at an academy, if you think that's important.

Is the option that off-putting? I think he'd be a pretty good fit at RU. We don't have OSU/UM/PSU/etc. recruits, but imagine those teams having to deal with the option every year with even decent recruits. It would drive them crazy.

Simple... He runs THAT OPTION OFFENSE that would not prepare Rutgers players for the NFL. You must run the Smashmouth, pro set offense at Rutgers or you are a gimmick. Nevermind that even the blue bloods are starting to run some spread schemes.

Coach Ken, as well as some other coaches would be a good fit for Rutgers. But it MUST be Schiano or NOTHING.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Ken is a great guy and has been very successful at Navy.

He knows that offense almost as well as Paul Johnson does. That said, his in game coaching would drive this board absolutely bonkers on a week to week basis.

 

[Abro1975]

Recruiting skill position players for the Spread offense is not easy (on Offense). Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech is starting to see that occur after some very good seasons. No WR of quality will come (Calvin Johnson the exception), no good passing QB will come, and mostly the elite RBs won't come. It's a gimmick offense, that even most fans don't want to see. The rules are favoring the passing game more and more ,the current Spread offense , like in the Big12, favor the Passing game and Air Raid offenses.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

Recruiting skill position players for the Spread offense is not easy (on Offense). Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech is starting to see that occur after some very good seasons. No WR of quality will come (Calvin Johnson the exception), no good passing QB will come, and mostly the elite RBs won't come. It's a gimmick offense, that even most fans don't want to see. The rules are favoring the passing game more and more ,the current Spread offense , like in the Big12, favor the Passing game and Air Raid offenses.

Cool Story, bro.

Johnson runs a triple option/flexbone offense.

It has as much in common with the spread as our abortion of an offense has.

BTW, he was 11-3 and won the Orange Bowl last year. LAST YEAR.

 

[Abro1975]

I meant the 'Option' offense (not Spread , my bad) w Paul Johnson/Ken N, good catch on your part. 2 cocktails in after the Giant game ending, and I'm not on my game, lol. After a couple of good seasons, the rest of the ACC is figuring out how to defend the gimmick , but well run , Ga Tech offense. Navy will drive the AAC crazy with that scheme. I wouldn't want to be a season ticket holder and watch that for 6 or 7 home games a year.

Cool Story, bro.

Johnson runs a triple option/flexbone offense.

It has as much in common with the spread as our abortion of an offense has.

BTW, he was 11-3 and won the Orange Bowl last year. LAST YEAR.

 

[ruhudsonfan]

I meant the 'Option' offense w Paul Johnson/Ken N, good catch on your part. 2 cocktails in after the Giant game ending, and I'm not on my game, lol. After a couple of good seasons, the rest of the ACC is figuring out how to defend the gimmick , but well run , Ga Tech offense. Navy will drive the AAC crazy with that scheme. I wouldn't want to be a season ticket holder and watch that for 6 of 7 home games a year.

He was replacing a lot of his skill players this year. He needed certain new guys to step up. I don't follow them week to week. But he was in bowl games every year since he arrived. This year breaks that streak, obviously. Next year will determine if he can continue to run it or needs to evolve. Time will tell.

I would never advocate we run that offense here. So, we agree on that.

 

[mal359]

Pardon my ignorance, but why not?

 

[BoogieKnight]

Cool Story, bro.

Johnson runs a triple option/flexbone offense.

It has as much in common with the spread as our abortion of an offense has.

BTW, he was 11-3 and won the Orange Bowl last year. LAST YEAR.

Yeah. I'd be interested in hiring Niamatolo too. We'd never WIN the B1G with that offense, but we likely aren't winning it with Flood's replacement either. So if we hired Niamatolo for the next few years between now and the B1G full revenue share we'd be a pain in the ass to play/prepare for and have winning seasons more often than not depending on the DC he brings in. Paul Johnson had Charles Kelly who is now at FSU and is really good. Plus he'd help restore discipline and academic integrity back into the program. But Hudson knows his in-game coaching better than I do so I will take his word that we should pass. Still though, we need to think along the lines of offensive system as opposed to who can recruit best because we are likely never going to out-recruit OSU and UM EVER and in the near future I doubt we sniff PSU and MSU even with a charismatic recruiter.

 

[Bamm Bamm Rubble]

The latest massey composite ranking says it all:

Temple 27
Navy 28
Penn state 32
Pittsburgh 36
Maryland 81
Rutgers 83
Syracuse 85
Boston college 86
Connecticut 87
Buffalo 89
Massachusetts 111
Army 114

Now check out what these school spend on coaching. Those numbers are even sadder than the poll results.

 

[RUforlife]

Temple is the standard bearer for NE football, hard to believe. They likely will win their first Lambert Trophy.

 

[Pritz99]

It was bad enough looking at Temple up there, but 2 slots ahead of 'Cuse?? 5 ahead on UConn??? I wanna vomit.