Dead Body Found on Hartwell
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This is a very sad incident, and I do hope whoever might have committed such an act is caught quickly and justice is served. The OP's comment though of "wtf is going on around campus" makes it sound like events like this are a regular occurrence, which they are not. New Brunswick is definitely not Mayberry, but its not Camden either.
Like I said, this is sad, but remember guys - we don't know all the facts.
Only problem with doing so is that Hartwell isn't between Easton and College. In 2011 (the last year I was able to find statistics for), your lovely city of Portland had 3.4 murders per 100,000 (20 total) people and New Brunswick had 5.4 (3 total). Portland had 43.7 rapes per 100,000 (258 total) and NB had 12.6 (7 total). Perhaps the entire city of Portland should be bulldozed? Overreact much?
Like I said, this is sad, but remember guys - we don't know all the facts.
No overreaction here, and I am aware of your feelings on NB and always enjoy reading your posts. I can see your post is not serious - I just hate some of the reactionary crap that gets posted by the "board experts" (not you). I hope my posts in the thread on the Football board help explain my position a bit better.
Agreed. Think of the whole Tyler Clementi thing.. where a student decided to take his own life. Rutgers reacted very strongly to that event (even if I disagreed with the extent of the reaction). Fear of parents thinking bullying was acceptable (even if one disagrees with that interpretation of what happened).. that fear of what parents and students might think.. that hit to Rutgers reputation brought about a strong reaction. Now think of what parents and students might think that MURDER might happen TO YOU, compared to something driving you to take your own life.. it is a much more dangerous idea to have out there.
major kudos to this group on not turning the death into a passionate debate about gun control, when the young man wasn't even killed by a gun. Has anyone heard anything further about the case?
The football board is such a joke. Nearly every thread with any possible political connection is turned into a juvenile partisan debate (to use the word broadly) with predictable and vapid comments from the usual suspects.
I made the mistake of getting involved in the Micheal Sam thread. That was pointless.
Even I had the sense to stay out of that one. I should have stayed out of the thread on this as well. I was just trying to correct a factual error, and I apparently failed to get through.
I certainly try to discuss serious issues in a thoughtful and mature way, if I do get involved. And I'm certainly not a reflexive partisan. I wouldn't even know how to label my views in the aggregate.Originally posted by e5fdny:
You are guilty of a little of that too at times. I think we all are at some point.
But it nice to be at the "grownup table" over here to discuss subjects such as this on a more even keel.
Now I might be predictable - I've been around a while - but it isn't because I take every chance I can to say "Obama sucks" (or the liberal analog...).
Look at the "Andy Dick" thread. To me, there is a clear contrast between some of us and others. I wouldn't want to be lumped in with them.
Now the same thing is going on with a thread about whether other countries have such martial national anthems as ours. Same old crew - they ruined the politics board. Now they are gunning to make sure that they do the same to any off topic discussion on the football board.
I'm very relieved that they have managed to either not find or not care about this board.
I'm very relieved that they have managed to either not find or not care about this board.
That's all I meant by my post.Originally posted by lawmatt78:
I certainly try to discuss serious issues in a thoughtful and mature way, if I do get involved. And I'm certainly not a reflexive partisan. I wouldn't even know how to label my views in the aggregate.Originally posted by e5fdny:
You are guilty of a little of that too at times. I think we all are at some point.
But it nice to be at the "grownup table" over here to discuss subjects such as this on a more even keel.
Now I might be predictable - I've been around a while - but it isn't because I take every chance I can to say "Obama sucks" (or the liberal analog...).
Look at the "Andy Dick" thread. To me, there is a clear contrast between some of us and others. I wouldn't want to be lumped in with them.
And I do not mean that to be a dig or criticism. Just an observation.
This is a good and IMO an important forum (it's fun to be a part of it). I hope we keep it that way.
Rather then start a new thread:
Rutgers Student Pistol-Whipped in off-campus home invasion
Suspects were possibly acquaintances of the victim, and its possibly drug related. Surprise surprise.
Its personally kind of sad for me to see what Louis Street has been turning into over the past year or two, as I have friends that live on the block, and also spend quite a bit of time in the area between going to basement shows and my favorite bar in NB, the Ale n Wich.
Rutgers Student Pistol-Whipped in off-campus home invasion
Suspects were possibly acquaintances of the victim, and its possibly drug related. Surprise surprise.
Its personally kind of sad for me to see what Louis Street has been turning into over the past year or two, as I have friends that live on the block, and also spend quite a bit of time in the area between going to basement shows and my favorite bar in NB, the Ale n Wich.
Where did it say that about the suspects?
My guess is narcotics= weed. College students with weed, what's next, they had beer?
How about the girl in the article on the football board? Attacked from behind.
It's not about drugs. It more follows a "knockout" pattern by townies.
My guess is narcotics= weed. College students with weed, what's next, they had beer?
How about the girl in the article on the football board? Attacked from behind.
It's not about drugs. It more follows a "knockout" pattern by townies.
The 'knockout game'(aka mugging) pattern didn't involve going into someone's backyard where this young man was found and 'townie' sounds too Breaking Awayish; 'criminal' is more accurate and leaves less to interpretation
Just a guess, taking into account that narcotics were found (I agree it is most likely just a little weed, but who knows) and that the "descriptions were limited" even though there were 10 people in the house (meaning a possibly uncooperative victim?).
Yes, there is also a girl that was punched in the face a few nights ago while passing Hotoke at 2:30 am. While possible that it was an NB resident who did such a thing, given the location that this happened it could have easily been someone from Edison, North Brunswick, or any other surrounding town. While completely unacceptable, from watching the news story on Channel 12 it seemed like that was much more of a case of being "at the wrong place at the wrong time" and drunk people acting like idiots, then anything else.
I take exception to your last comment, and really hate your (along with others on this board) tendency to make generalizations of citizens not directly associated with the University. So now students have to constantly look over their shoulder, more so then elsewhere, out of fear of being knocked out by a "big bad townie"? Come on.
It would be appreciated to even know what your definition of a "townie" is. I am 25, grew up in HP and never attended Rutgers, am I a "townie"? Is my 23 year old friend, who also doesn't go to RU but plays in a local band and has roommates that attend RU, a "townie"? How about a 27 year old young professional, who did go to RU but has since graduated, and commutes to his job at Port Authority every day from him home on Plum Street, is he a "townie"? You live in Jersey City now but aren't going to Saint Peters or NJCU or anything, so I guess you are a Jersey City "townie"? Or, is a "townie" just those New Brunswick residents of African American and Hispanic ancestry, because I get the feeling that that is what people really mean when they throw around the word "townie".
The city could be a better place if everyone realized that they all live in the same community and could band together to make it better, rather then worrying about "town vs gown". Crime needs to be stopped, regardless of who commits it or who is victimized. Sadly, only the opposite seems to be happening recently.
Townie = someone that hangs around the town they grew up in without ever making anything of themselves. It is not racial. It applies equally to NB as it does to Rumson.
I moved to JC just like people moved to NB for work. There are plenty of people in the upper-middle class town I grew up in that are townies. They are white. They get busted for drugs, one recently got a wrap for molestation. They are just people that welch off their parents and society and make everyone else lives' worse with their actions.
Here's the thing about the girl at Hotoke. In isolation I may agree with you. But it's not isolation.
- Hartwell St death
- Hotoke assault
- Pistol whip on Louis St
I think there was another.
You will note NJ.Com never mentions race in its descriptions as an editorial principal (to much controversy in the wake of the Short Hills Shooting when the suspects were being actively looked for). That is why their descriptions are always crap. It's not racism to say the race. If the guy was a midget could we not say because midgets may have hurt feelings?
And in terms of Hartwell Street, you will recall that the first incident of "knockout" reported in Hoboken involved a homeless man who ended up impaled on a fence. So he was moved from where the incident began. It is totally reasonable to see the same thing here.
And yeah- people from outside NB play a roll. Look at Rutgersfest, tons of non-students from places like Newark arrested.
But that's also on the NBPD. It's quite interesting how, say, Edison or Metuchen or Princeton Junction- all a few stops from NB on the same train...don't end up with a rash of outsiders coming in and committing crimes.
It simply naive to write off all these incidents as some coincidence...they all occured close in time AFTER RUPD's acitvity was restricted. People are taking advantage in a political fight and the loser again is RU.
Enough is enough.
I moved to JC just like people moved to NB for work. There are plenty of people in the upper-middle class town I grew up in that are townies. They are white. They get busted for drugs, one recently got a wrap for molestation. They are just people that welch off their parents and society and make everyone else lives' worse with their actions.
Here's the thing about the girl at Hotoke. In isolation I may agree with you. But it's not isolation.
- Hartwell St death
- Hotoke assault
- Pistol whip on Louis St
I think there was another.
You will note NJ.Com never mentions race in its descriptions as an editorial principal (to much controversy in the wake of the Short Hills Shooting when the suspects were being actively looked for). That is why their descriptions are always crap. It's not racism to say the race. If the guy was a midget could we not say because midgets may have hurt feelings?
And in terms of Hartwell Street, you will recall that the first incident of "knockout" reported in Hoboken involved a homeless man who ended up impaled on a fence. So he was moved from where the incident began. It is totally reasonable to see the same thing here.
And yeah- people from outside NB play a roll. Look at Rutgersfest, tons of non-students from places like Newark arrested.
But that's also on the NBPD. It's quite interesting how, say, Edison or Metuchen or Princeton Junction- all a few stops from NB on the same train...don't end up with a rash of outsiders coming in and committing crimes.
It simply naive to write off all these incidents as some coincidence...they all occured close in time AFTER RUPD's acitvity was restricted. People are taking advantage in a political fight and the loser again is RU.
Enough is enough.
NIRH is llike Humpty-Dumpty. He thinks he can make a word like "townie" mean whatever he wants. Probably, like Humpty-Dumpty, he then pays it double.
I didn't say it was random - I said that the pattern of attacks on RU students was random. NB has always had a crime problem including areas "right off campus". NBPD might be to blame - but then again - most poor cities have lots of crime. NB is not an exception, its the norm - the only reason you care about it is that you went to college there, instead of one of the other NB hotbeds of crime - which you presumably couldn't care less about.
The issue is that the crime rate is higher in New Brunswick than Plainfield. I don't think many yuppies or college students live there. It's a completely destitute, horrible place- yet, it has less crime. I worked in Plainfield and my boss was worried about me being attacked in the middle of the day. What does that say about New Brunswick? To me it indicates a polcing problem and a pattern.
The fact that the suspect was released after killing someone else is an indictment of the criminal justice system in this state- this is now the second occurence of this in a few months, Short Hills being the other.
Maybe this guy was involved in some of the other stuff (though he doesn't match the description given on some of other incidents) and it stops. We can hope.
The fact of the matter remains: The main effort of the RUPD and NBPD needs to be protecting RU students from those outside the community looking to enter only to do harm. I don't think that is the goal right now.
The fact that the suspect was released after killing someone else is an indictment of the criminal justice system in this state- this is now the second occurence of this in a few months, Short Hills being the other.
Maybe this guy was involved in some of the other stuff (though he doesn't match the description given on some of other incidents) and it stops. We can hope.
The fact of the matter remains: The main effort of the RUPD and NBPD needs to be protecting RU students from those outside the community looking to enter only to do harm. I don't think that is the goal right now.
Not true. According to 2012 FBI numbers, NB has slightly less violent crime. If you look at the breakdown by crime, NB has more property crime while Plainfield has more "true" violence.
City Population Violent crime Murder Rape Robbery Assault Property crime Burglary Larceny Car Theft Arson Violence per capita
Camden 77,665 1,993 67 74 755 1,097 4,007 1,089 2,214 704 109 2.57%
Newark 278,906 3,220 96 55 1,976 1,093 10,199 2,144 4,093 3,962 62 1.15%
New Brunswick 55,717 382 8 24 216 134 1,511 557 871 83 8 0.69%
Plainfield 50,332 358 6 14 165 173 1,445 526 818 101 13 0.71%
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_new_jersey_by_city_2012.xls
City Population Violent crime Murder Rape Robbery Assault Property crime Burglary Larceny Car Theft Arson Violence per capita
Camden 77,665 1,993 67 74 755 1,097 4,007 1,089 2,214 704 109 2.57%
Newark 278,906 3,220 96 55 1,976 1,093 10,199 2,144 4,093 3,962 62 1.15%
New Brunswick 55,717 382 8 24 216 134 1,511 557 871 83 8 0.69%
Plainfield 50,332 358 6 14 165 173 1,445 526 818 101 13 0.71%
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/8tabledatadecpdf/table-8-state-cuts/table_8_offenses_known_to_law_enforcement_by_new_jersey_by_city_2012.xls
New Brunswick is denser. Simply more opportunity.
The main effort to the RUPD is to first keep RUs campus safe - THEN to worry about broader NB. The main effort of NB is to protect all people - considering their is likely more crime against the poor (by the poor) than students or other non-poor - they might not be so concerned about RU students.
Sure they shouldn't waste their time busting RU parties, although I would argue that DUI and potentially as deadly problem even if its just students doing it.
And of course - this guy wasn't from outside the community. He IS the community that RU students choose to live in when they live off campus. Remember what I said about fortresses?
The main effort to the RUPD is to first keep RUs campus safe - THEN to worry about broader NB. The main effort of NB is to protect all people - considering their is likely more crime against the poor (by the poor) than students or other non-poor - they might not be so concerned about RU students.
Sure they shouldn't waste their time busting RU parties, although I would argue that DUI and potentially as deadly problem even if its just students doing it.
And of course - this guy wasn't from outside the community. He IS the community that RU students choose to live in when they live off campus. Remember what I said about fortresses?
I have to go back and look at the stats that GOR posted on the mainboard....but yeah I agree they should be on DUI (they told RUPD supposedly not to be).
I agree part of the issue is what you're were referring to in that this guy lived on Plum Street. But my guess is that given his previous brush with the law, he would not hesitate to enter a "fortress" campus by any means necessary, just like the repeat offenders at a place like Short Hills.
What I want to know is his involvement in the other crimes and the motive here.
I agree part of the issue is what you're were referring to in that this guy lived on Plum Street. But my guess is that given his previous brush with the law, he would not hesitate to enter a "fortress" campus by any means necessary, just like the repeat offenders at a place like Short Hills.
What I want to know is his involvement in the other crimes and the motive here.
I won't speculate on whether he would or wouldn't - since I have no idea why he did it - but its not like you are hearing these stories from the CA campus itself, or Cook/Douglas - both of which are isolated to a degree, but not completely.
Criminals are lazy for the most part and opportunistic.
Criminals are lazy for the most part and opportunistic.
I find this statement from the attached article puzzling.
"Authorities said that Puskas and his alleged victim did not know one another, and that they plan to make the case against him with video evidence and statements from witnesses."
If there were witnesses and video, why did it take so long to find the killer? Why didn't they find the victim until the next day?
NB today article
"Authorities said that Puskas and his alleged victim did not know one another, and that they plan to make the case against him with video evidence and statements from witnesses."
If there were witnesses and video, why did it take so long to find the killer? Why didn't they find the victim until the next day?
NB today article
It could be that the witnesses didn't witness the attack but rather the two of them arguing at a bar or something. Witnesses aren't always just for the actual crime.
If someone knocks over your drink in a bar and you get into a shouting/shoving match with them, does that mean you know them?
I'm just using an example of how witnesses could have seen something other than the attack itself. Witnesses can establish many things without actually witnessing the crime - that's the point. It's a one liner in the newspaper it's not the state's case against him.
I'm just using an example of how witnesses could have seen something other than the attack itself. Witnesses can establish many things without actually witnessing the crime - that's the point. It's a one liner in the newspaper it's not the state's case against him.
Scarlet you right its just on line in a newspaper. Im probably just reading too much into it. But there must be alot more to this.
Most comments in the papers simply say they didn't know each other, but because of the existence of videos it appears they must have had a confrontation earlier that night, (no reporter has said that yet in any paper).
The stories in the papers make it appear that this was random violence by somebody. (this scares people alot more than if there was a confrontation earlier that lead up to a murder)
What are the circumstance that they could even meet that night and then be doing something important enough to be video taped. Not many 38 year olds go to college parties.
Most comments in the papers simply say they didn't know each other, but because of the existence of videos it appears they must have had a confrontation earlier that night, (no reporter has said that yet in any paper).
The stories in the papers make it appear that this was random violence by somebody. (this scares people alot more than if there was a confrontation earlier that lead up to a murder)
What are the circumstance that they could even meet that night and then be doing something important enough to be video taped. Not many 38 year olds go to college parties.
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