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Do all the QBs other than Laviano really suck?

"Neither you nor I have any input in who plays, but I know if my job was riding on the success or failure of the team; no stone would be left unturned."

And what if Rettig has continuously shown in practice that when under heavy pass rushes he consistently fails to find receivers or throws interceptions or take sacks and is clearly inferior to CL. This would be obvious to the coaching staff and then it would be the correct decision to keep CL in the game knowing his job was riding on getting the best results possible. So without knowing any information about how HR performs in these situations how can you criticize flood for not putting him in. And in the few times that HR has been put in a game against the Big Ten starting D he has done absolutely nothing to move the team. So if, hypothetically , He is terrible in practice and has done nothing in his short stints against heavy D pressure to change their opinion of him why in the world would they ever decide to start him in any meaningful situations. As I've said, we as fans really have no idea what he is done and practice and if this is the case and the coaching staff has no obligation to let the fan see why he is making the decision he is making

Got it. Going forward, no fan of any team, in any sport, may question a coach's personnel decision unless said fan has attended practice. Thanks.
 
Sure, fans going to have an opinion, but typically those opinions are uninformed and meaningless because they really have so little information regarding the big picture in any personnel decisions
 
My cousin right or wrong. We get it. Sucks that Rettig thought he was transferring to a school where game day play mattered
 
My cousin right or wrong. We get it. Sucks that Rettig thought he was transferring to a school where game day play mattered


What player ever goes to a team thinking that he would get to play before outplaying someone else in practice. . Just like every position.. need to earn your way on the field. You dont get an audition in live game unless you've earned it. Apparently he hasnt.
 
I look at it this way. What would another coach have done. And in most cases, even if the backup wasnt as good as the starter, if the starter were doing as poorly as Laviano has done (or Nova in the past) he would have pulled the starter. Maybe even started the other guy.

Thats the thing here. Its not like people are asking for something unheard of in college football. It happens all the time. The starter is having a bad game, there is a reasonably decent backup, the backup goes in. Maybe he proves that he shouldnt be starter, maybe he takes the reins.

Plenty of players in fact do get auditions in live games if the other guy isnt performing.
 
So just so everyone knows, Slyker offers the only INFORMED opinion.

Got it, thanks.
 
I look at it this way. What would another coach have done. And in most cases, even if the backup wasnt as good as the starter, if the starter were doing as poorly as Laviano has done (or Nova in the past) he would have pulled the starter. Maybe even started the other guy.

Thats the thing here. Its not like people are asking for something unheard of in college football. It happens all the time. The starter is having a bad game, there is a reasonably decent backup, the backup goes in. Maybe he proves that he shouldnt be starter, maybe he takes the reins.

Plenty of players in fact do get auditions in live games if the other guy isnt performing.

And what iif our coaches feel that all the issues with the offense are due to intense pass rush or our receivers not being open at all or receivers running incorrect routes or dropping passes or a host of other things and they truly feel the majority of the problems are not due to the QB play. Then why would they feel a QB switch to someone they have seen to underperform in head to head situations in prActice would be warranted?
 
And what iif our coaches feel that all the issues with the offense are due to intense pass rush or our receivers not being open at all or receivers running incorrect routes or dropping passes or a host of other things and they truly feel the majority of the problems are not due to the QB play. Then why would they feel a QB switch to someone they have seen to underperform in head to head situations in prActice would be warranted?

Why then were we led to believe the two quarterbacks were virtually tied in the QB competition up through and including the first half of the season opener, in which Rettig looked very good? Had the coaches observed the QBs in practice prior to the second half of that game -- had they seen enough yet to form the hypothetical opinion you made up that Rettig underperforms in head to head situations?

Did the performance of the two QBs in the first game cement the decision to go with Laviano the rest of the way with barely a sniff for Rettig no matter what?
 
And what iif our coaches feel that all the issues with the offense are due to intense pass rush or our receivers not being open at all or receivers running incorrect routes or dropping passes or a host of other things and they truly feel the majority of the problems are not due to the QB play. Then why would they feel a QB switch to someone they have seen to underperform in head to head situations in prActice would be warranted?
Because maybe the other guy can handle the pass rush better. At some point you need to try something different just for the sake of trying it. Some players overperform in practice (where there is no real pass rush by the way), and some underperform. Nothing can really show how one will perform in real game situations except real game situations.

Just think about it - the coaches at Pitt picked Tyler Palko over Joe Flacco. The coaches at WVU had Adam Bednarik sharing time with Pat White in 2005. One could go on and on with times coaches thought one guy wasnt as good as another until the one guy got into real game situations. And its not like Rich Rod was some schlub.
 
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Our offensive identity sucks and is outdated. We have qb talent on the roster. Flood pretty much conceded the year to develop Laviano. Rettig was an army all American and there has been no urgency to get him any relevant game experience. There were games where a qb switch could have made an impact this year and in past years in the Flood era. Evidence of this behavior started in the Kent state game in 2012. Game plan for this year was to develop Laviano instead of trying to win actual B10 games, mind boggling. This is why we pad our running stats when down by 3 to 4 scores. We have treated the legit B10 games as glorified scrimmages / FCS guarentee paycheck games. Get this guy off the sideline.
 
"Neither you nor I have any input in who plays, but I know if my job was riding on the success or failure of the team; no stone would be left unturned."

And what if Rettig has continuously shown in practice that when under heavy pass rushes he consistently fails to find receivers or throws interceptions or take sacks and is clearly inferior to CL. This would be obvious to the coaching staff and then it would be the correct decision to keep CL in the game knowing his job was riding on getting the best results possible. So without knowing any information about how HR performs in these situations how can you criticize flood for not putting him in. And in the few times that HR has been put in a game against the Big Ten starting D he has done absolutely nothing to move the team. So if, hypothetically , He is terrible in practice and has done nothing in his short stints against heavy D pressure to change their opinion of him why in the world would they ever decide to start him in any meaningful situations. Just to keep a small group of vocal whining fans happy? I don't want the head coach of my team doing that. As I've said, we as fans really have no idea what he has done in practice and if this is the case and the coaching staff has no obligation to let the fan see why he is making the decision he is making

One reason they might try different is, Rettig just might be able to STRETCH THE FIELD.
Let's not be crazy, Rettig certainly has a better arm.
 
One reason they might try different is, Rettig just might be able to STRETCH THE FIELD.
Let's not be crazy, Rettig certainly has a better arm.
Yeah, but you know, he'd be injured if he had to face the same rush that Laviano faced! Except that, he did face the same rush, was hit hard, and got back up and led the team to their only TD in - which game was it? OSU? They've all blurred together now.
 
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And what iif our coaches feel that all the issues with the offense are due to intense pass rush or our receivers not being open at all or receivers running incorrect routes or dropping passes or a host of other things and they truly feel the majority of the problems are not due to the QB play. Then why would they feel a QB switch to someone they have seen to underperform in head to head situations in prActice would be warranted?

And what if many of us, even as fans, don't blindly trust the coaches judgement anymore because we have seen what we are merely asking for occur time and time again with other P5 college football teams? You could offer all of the excuses in the world, including personnel losses, practice performances, facing top 25 defenses, poor OL play, and receivers' inability to get open (please let me know if I missed any). But in the course of six straight poorly performing games, in which not a single touchdown pass was thrown by said individual and average yardage is approximately 100, the starting Quarterback has to take the blame and the coaches have to give him time on the bench.
 
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The QB decision is what has put me over the top in calling for Flood to be fired.
Laviano is not working, yet we keep trying it over and over and over and over...

It doesn't get any dumber than that.
 
Thanks that was humorous:joy: A bunch of guys trying to rationalize or explain the game of football to someone, who obviously never got closer to any game action other than "Madden Football."
But, what else do we have to do, right!?
 
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And in the few times that HR has been put in a game against the Big Ten starting D he has done absolutely nothing to move the team.

I still think your argument would be much stronger if:

a) Laviano had done anything more than 3 and outs in the game you're talking about
b) Rettig (or anyone else) had been put in BEFORE the game was completely out of hand, in the final 8 minutes, and with a team that looked tired, beaten, and that appears to have given up

The whole debate would easily have been ended if he had ever started the game or the second half with someone else. You point out that Flood may have worried about doing worse (based on what he sees in practice). That point gets nullified imo based on the results Laviano is putting up. It's not like we're asking to see if the backup QB can do better than adequate numbers. We're asking to see if the backup can do better than a guy that's averaging 100 yards a game and 0 TDs -- those aren't good numbers even for a first year starter.
 
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