Our only hope this season unfortunately is if Laviano suffers an injury or tries to use a fake id again.
And no one should ever root for an injury of course.
And no one should ever root for an injury of course.
Do you think Rettig will transfer?
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Are you saying Rettig would have turned around the PSU game?
Thank You,Thank You,Thank You!
So why don't you want to see Rettig play HERE to prove us idiots wrong?
Willie Parker:
Was a 3rd string RB at UNC by a HC who was a doofus. Lousy coaches make lousy decisions...
Are you saying you know for a fact that he couldn't provide a spark? You can't because nobody knows.
He sure as hell should have had a chance to see what could happen. Same goes for second half against osu, or at least mid 3rd quarter.
Not getting into the Laviano/Rettig thing here, but not sure what this has to do with anything.
Some top notch college QBs wash out in the NFL, and some backups do really well. And everything in between.
The converse of your argument that Willie Parker should have been starting while at UNC because of his later success in the NFL is that Rich Rodriguez was a lousy coach to start Pat White because he ended his career without a single completion in the NFL.
Not even close...did you not read my earlier post with quotes from Cowher? WP was an undrafted FA, 3rd string RB who Cowher knew the first few weeks of training camp was a player. there was no magical development or growth, he could play the day he walked in the door. Because of that, Cowher wanted to know what his issue was and what he found out is Bunting was a moron.
I once read an article that WP was not a "Bunting" man. Maybe that is the reason Bunting is no longer in the coaching business.
It all depends on who the coach is next year on whether Rettig stays or not. If Flood, gone. If option coach, gone. If spread coach or pro set coach, I think he stays.
The question becomes would a program use a scholarship for someone who has transferred twice? Are they going to invest time in someone who cuts and runs because he isn't starting? For those reasons I'd think he'd have to drop a level where he may be guaranteed to be the best QB on the roster.
I know very little about Parker. From what I've gathered online, the UNC coaching staff wanted him to put on more weight, and he apparently refused - which put him at a clash of wills/attitudes with the coach, and led to a "my way or the highway" situation with Bunting.
In the NFL, he weighed in at 15 lbs more than he did in college - so, somewhere along the line he put on the pounds he wouldn't at UNC. He came in as a 3rd stringer for the Steelers, and got a shot at the starting job when the guys ahead of him got injured - which gave him the window he needed to find success in the league.
From Cowher's comments about getting the edge, and the college demand to put on weight - it seems as though the UNC offense was predicated more on between the tackles running, where Cowher's scheme allowed for more outside the tackles running.
Not saying anything about Bunting or Cowher as coaches, just that cherry picking one unique situation and trying to say it applies somewhere else doesn't really work.
Not sure where you get that from. You can explain something to someone 1000x times, but if they can't apply it rapidly in stressful situations, they don't really *know* it. Learning is as much about the student as the teacher.
Its been said here before........coaches adjust things all the time to players... its not like this amazing scheme we run scores 30 pts a game regardless of opponent. Find the better player and tailor the play book to his strengths.
Or use Football to do some of the things they might not be able to do.
Dodd using football to see parts of Italy now instead of later in life might be more of an adventure than career path.
Also meeting some people in Italy, while playing FB in a foreign land, that might just help him advance in whatever career path he chooses when his playing days are done.
Well when Savage transfered out, most on this board called and still calls
him a coward and a traitor. So these kids are in a stituation that is not their faults.
This whole thing is unneccary, all Flood has to do at this point is give
him a look.
This is why I chose the Bunting example in my earlier post. It was his way or the highway. He could have showcased a future NFL pro bowler at RB, but he knew best. Notice, he did not last very long in the coaching business.
Laviano is a serviceable QB, but I have heard from several places that many times this summer Rettig did things that made you stop and go WOW... We have a number of writers who confirm this with their opinions, we have Ryan Hart and Ray Lucas saying similar things. My dad has spoken to two different people who watched multiple summer practices (non media) and said the same. Take advantage of Rettig's ability to stretch the field and watch the offense flourish.
Apparently, Flood has his view on what is most important for his QB. If it were me, I would value arm strength and accuracy and make defenses defend the entire field. I would tailor the offense to accomplish that. Maybe Flood values throwing for 3 yds on 3rd and 6 much more highly.
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Can't go by what Lucas says, he is biased, he said he had to share time with
the newcomer (Fortay) and now Laviano is faced with the same situation.
And he feels he was wronged. I feel otherwise I thought Brian out played him
every game.
I would love for Rettig to come in and do well if something happened to our starter, however why would anyone want to see the backup put in just to prove a point and lessen our chances of winning? Just in the last game I saw two terrible throws from the backup along with a couple good throws in addition to the inability to escape a sack( how could you take a sack in that situation, the Laviano critics have bashed him for that a few times) and a some mismanagement leading to some time outs. Not to mention any shortcomings in his game that has only been obvious to the coaching staff from training camp and practice. They gave him a learning opportunity in mop up time last week Hasn't done anything in his limited body of work that would warrant playing time over the starter
Rettig got sacked once I believe when the RB and LT completely wiffed on blocks.
Michael Vick wouldn't have escaped that much less Laviano.
Michael Vick wouldn't have escaped that much less Laviano.
Rettig has better stats in his limited playing time. He deserves more opportunity.
I can't comment on their respective abilities, because I don't have all the information.
I also hesitate to rely on anecdotes, which is what eyewitness statements from practice tend to be - but that's really almost all we have to go on.
From what I've seen on the field, Rettig performs very well. It is hard to compare, though, given the situations he's been in (1st half against FCS, late game blowout against 3rd string OSU) - much like all the D'Antwann Williams chatter a few years back.
I have wished I could see him in more real situations, but we haven't been able to.
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As to the playbook, there's more to the "knowing the playbook" than just memorizing a list of pages. A QB needs to apply it - recognize the defenses that are being shown, adjust plays at the line, and make sure everyone is on the same page at the snap. Saying to adjust the playbook to suit the player is fine - but it doesn't let you adjust your opponents' defenses, or give an ability to effectively adjust at the line to counter them.
Again, though, I don't know anything except what I've seen on the field, which has been limited against limited competition.
As to changing the style of an offense on a dime to highlight one player's skillset, that's not always possible. If we had Pat White at QB in 2006, the rest of our team was not suited to running the style of offense that he needed to find success. Not everything is as black and white as some want to make it.
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Back to the OP, though. I still think that Rettig has absolutely no reason to consider transferring at this point. None. For every "QB found success after a second transfer" story, there are many more "QB found success after starter was injured" stories - and with the uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff, he may be playing with a fresh deck come spring ball.
I also hesitate to rely on anecdotes, which is what eyewitness statements from practice tend to be - but that's really almost all we have to go on.
From what I've seen on the field, Rettig performs very well. It is hard to compare, though, given the situations he's been in (1st half against FCS, late game blowout against 3rd string OSU) - much like all the D'Antwann Williams chatter a few years back.
I have wished I could see him in more real situations, but we haven't been able to.
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As to the playbook, there's more to the "knowing the playbook" than just memorizing a list of pages. A QB needs to apply it - recognize the defenses that are being shown, adjust plays at the line, and make sure everyone is on the same page at the snap. Saying to adjust the playbook to suit the player is fine - but it doesn't let you adjust your opponents' defenses, or give an ability to effectively adjust at the line to counter them.
Again, though, I don't know anything except what I've seen on the field, which has been limited against limited competition.
As to changing the style of an offense on a dime to highlight one player's skillset, that's not always possible. If we had Pat White at QB in 2006, the rest of our team was not suited to running the style of offense that he needed to find success. Not everything is as black and white as some want to make it.
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Back to the OP, though. I still think that Rettig has absolutely no reason to consider transferring at this point. None. For every "QB found success after a second transfer" story, there are many more "QB found success after starter was injured" stories - and with the uncertainty surrounding the coaching staff, he may be playing with a fresh deck come spring ball.
Laviano would have been sack in that situation. Rettig has such a fast release and a cannon for an arm that he was hit only after releasing the ball. Good weapon to have against an aggressive blitz.
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Maybe coach Flood can help HR with the playbook after he finishes editing the secondary's term papers. No?
I do. He has the size and arm strength of those that play at that level. To ask that incredulously is doing a real disservice the physical gifts that kid has.
Laviano's long release is definitely an issue. I think it is due to his lack of arm strength. He has to put more into throws, which takes longer to do. It looks laborious compared to other QB's.
"And Laviano heaves it short." - Folwer on a 10 yard Laviano pass. Sums it all up for me.
Well .. since you asked. I went back to the game on BTN2go tonight so I could ID them for you. Feel free to go look yourself and confirm what I observed. Actually after reviewing the throws again I'm even more surprised people are so enamored with Rettig in his short stint on the field. He had one good throw and the rest of his throws were not very good at all... not much touch with several being much worse than the others. Even his completions were not well thrown.. .including the TD. If this is how he has performed in practice... with a lack of precision on his passes, there is no surprise the coaching staff opts for our other QB.
First off you are right.. he wasnt sacked, but was pressured, had no sense of the blitzer coming from his back side, and threw the incompletion. As he dropped back his head initially was turned in that direction and possibly should have seen the blitzer making his move. Should he have stepped up and avoided the hit?? Maybe. Would another QB have been able to sense the pressure and stepped up? Maybe.
As for the throws:
Early in the 4th Q in the first series Rettig played, on 3rd and 7, at the 12:58 mark, he threw to Agudosi down the left sideline. Rettig had no pressure on him on this throw and clearly underthrew him, as you can see Agudosi had a half step on the defender and had to slow down for the ball. This allowed the defender to make a play and knock it away. If Rettig led him he would possibly have taken it to the house or at least hit him in stride for a long completion. This was not a good throw
In his second series, from around RU’s 30 yard line it was 3rd and 4… with 1:05 left in the game. Rettig threw a short pass to Patton to the right, and completed the pass for the first down, however Patton was heading toward the sideline with the defense to his back. Rettig threw behind him and Patton had to turn his body around toward the defenders to make the catch. Fortunately the defender wasn’t close and he was able to make the catch, but not a good throw. Should have led him toward the sideline especially since we were trying to preserve clock and get out of bounds on a completion.
After the long completion to Agudosi on the first and goal play with :24 seconds left he severely overthrew the receiver heading towards the end zone. That throw came out like a wounded duck and sailed what looked like ten feet over the receivers head. He was clearly not throwing it away on that as you can also see after the play he was shaking his hand like he felt he had something on it...and they had a close up of him saying it was his bad.
Then on second and goal with :21 left, he had Achidicano open with a defender on his back running along the goal line. The throw was not near the receiver as he could not even get his hand on it. The only defender was trailing Arch. and it was definitely a completable pass. This was a bad throw.
And now reviewing the replay of the TD… that was actually not a very good throw either. Looking at it live I did not realize where the ball was thrown. The receiver was running from Right to left along the end line with no defender in front of him. The pass did not lead him but was behind him and forced the receiver to twist backwards to get to the ball. Defenders were behind him and fortunately it was not thrown that far behind him.
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