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Does Maryland regret leaving the ACC?

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Granted the move to the BiG was predicated by Maryland's need for financial stability for the athletic department, but do they regret making the move? They're a perennial basketball power and they played in the best conference for men's basketball; playing against several teams within 250 miles. Now their closest rivals are in NB and Happy Valley.

Thoughts?
 
My guess is that it is that a portion of the fan base would, missing their previous rivals a bit, and probably because competing in this league is tough...... a long way to go to compete against the best

The administration of Maryland, no.
 
Nah - they were so in debt (overspent on girls sports) B1G had to spot them money to join. Prior to that they (and even Fridge) tried to fix finances and couldn't
 
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Probably $20M or so good reasons to join the BIG (or whatever the incremental annual financial gain vs ACC is)
 
Miami, Tallahassee, Boston, Syracuse, and South Bend weren't that close to College Park either.

Even Clemson was a 9 hour drive. Rutgers and PSU are much closer than any of the teams that were in their ACC division.
 
We must remember that the ACC was a basketball first conference for a long time and a number of Maryland fans that follow both sports have to miss the traditional ACC BB opponents
 
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This isn't about success in football. it's about $$$ . They are a hoops and lacrosse school and that wouldn't change no matter what conference they are in.They are fine .
Why the F are these Football threads all so dated?? Is it just my device or is everyone getting these stale old threads??? Update the FB page threads...the other sports are up to date...wassup?,
 
My guess is that it is that a portion of the fan base would, missing their previous rivals a bit, and probably because competing in this league is tough...... a long way to go to compete against the best

The administration of Maryland, no.

Maryland isn't a football school, so fans expect to take lumps in that sport. As for basketball, Maryland men and women are a combined 120-23 overall and 60-12 in B1G conference play. Both programs have spent much of the last two years ranked in the top-10 nationally and have recruited extremely well. With results like that, fans will eventually get over not playing Duke and Carolina.

Maryland as an athletic department has done in the B1G exactly what it did in the ACC -- win championships. Maryland has already won a combined 18 Big Ten titles, more than any other Big Ten school. That's (11) B1G championships and (7) B1G tournament titles.
 
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Maryland isn't a football school, so fans expect to take lumps in that sport. Maryland as an athletic department has done in the B1G exactly what it did in the ACC -- win championships.

Maryland has already won a combined 18 Big Ten titles, more than any other Big Ten school. That's (11) B1G championships and (7) B1G tournament titles.
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Good info..... my response here is looking at it only about football..... it does seem they have done extremely well in other sports.
 
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Good info..... my response here is looking at it only about football..... it does seem they have done extremely well in other sports.

Ahhh... Well, in that case it's going to be an uphill battle. Most fans really like and are encouraged by DJ Durkin. I've visited a few B1G schools for away games and Maryland Football started sooooo far behind the curve that it'll take time. That's w/r/t facilities, talent, and football culture.

The Cole practice facility will help. If Durkin can continue to produce top-12 recruiting classes, that would help, too.
 
Maryland has already won a combined 18 Big Ten titles, more than any other Big Ten school.
(11) B1G championships and (7) B1G tournament titles.

We are still searching for our 1st......

I dont think travel bothers them and I dont think THEY consider us a rivalry. We rarely beat them in anything

I think they are pretty happy...I know we would be
 
Those are some pretty impressive results from Maryland thus far. I did not realize they had done so well. Just re-emphasize how bad we have been and how far we have to go. We should have a parade down College Ave if the Women's Soccer team wins today.
 
Our football situation wouldn't be tremendously different were we back in the ACC, which has really cranked up its football.

Maryland (9) won more football titles in the ACC than everybody but Clemson (15) and Florida State (15). But now that those teams are now perennial top ten teams, it's hard to imagine anybody else winning that league very often. Sounds a lot like where we are now.

(I left Louisville out of it because if we were still there, they probably wouldn't be.)

edit: A lot of older fans like me remember the glory days of ACC basketball in the seventies, eighties and even into the nineties. I've still never seen anything like the ACC tournament in the seventies, when you pretty much had to win it to move on to the NCAAs. But that's long gone. Several other leagues are just as good now, for one thing. Also, like all leagues, it lost its identity with all the expansion. For every game against the traditional rivals there would be three against Miami, Boston College and Virginia Tech. It's just not the same. I miss it less than I expected to.
 
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Ask on their board.

I'm a younger generation than conifer above, but I think the answer is an overwhelming no at this point. Our basketball program is in the midst of becoming a serious national player again, and the move to the conference helped us land a football coach that has invigorated some life into the program. Obviously the jury is still out on how he will perform overall, but his early success on the recruiting trail and the plans for the new practice facility has helped to bring some life to the fan base.

Couple that with the continued (if not improved) success from our non-rev programs, and the Big Ten has obviously been very, very good to Maryland. Not to mention it's nice to be in a conference that is trying to cater more to the northeast.
 
The reality is.........Football drives the money bus..........and Basketball is in the back seat for the ride.

This is why basketball schools are trying hard and throwing tons of resources into Football such as Maryland, and even UConn, Duke and North Carolina.

Many fail to understand this or remember this.
 
The reality is.........Football drives the money bus..........and Basketball is in the back seat for the ride.

This is why basketball schools are trying hard and throwing tons of resources into Football such as Maryland, and even UConn, Duke and North Carolina.

Many fail to understand this or remember this.

Football definitely drives the bus (especially when it comes to TV deals), but basketball programs that consistently advance in the NCAAs also make plenty of money. The most successful basketball programs generate somewhere around 25m per year (football is more like 100m).
 
Those are some pretty impressive results from Maryland thus far. I did not realize they had done so well. Just re-emphasize how bad we have been and how far we have to go. We should have a parade down College Ave if the Women's Soccer team wins today.
We are learning how far behind we really are. I Truly believe we will get there, competitive in both revenue and non-revenue sports, but not for a while (although, being an optimist, I'm leaning slightly towards sooner)
 
Miami, Tallahassee, Boston, Syracuse, and South Bend weren't that close to College Park either.

Even Clemson was a 9 hour drive. Rutgers and PSU are much closer than any of the teams that were in their ACC division.

Syracuse and Boston College are a much shorter drive from College Park, Maryland than to Clemson.
 
They have been pretty successful in most everything aside from football and like us their football would be bad in any conference because of the holes left by Edsall and Flood.

Didn't they win a B1G title in bball anyway? Doubt they were mad about that.

And the fact of the matter is, they could lose their two remaining games and beat us and go to a bowl game. They managed to beat 5 scrubs which appears to be one feat too many for us.
 
Granted the move to the BiG was predicated by Maryland's need for financial stability for the athletic department, but do they regret making the move? They're a perennial basketball power and they played in the best conference for men's basketball; playing against several teams within 250 miles. Now their closest rivals are in NB and Happy Valley.

Thoughts?

Please never ask this question again.

**** THE ACC.

If you want a real response I'll give it to you, but I'd say less than 1% of Maryland fans would ever even listen to an offer to go back to the ACC. We love it in the B1G.

P.S. We may have been a basketball school for the last 20 years. However, Maryland for a long time was a football school. We have the national championship to prove it and just missed one four times. A lot of our problems with football came about from the Len Bias scandal and the ACC forcing us to have higher academic standards in the 60's which led to the rist of PSU and Syracuse who were independent and able to take a lot of the kids UMD used to get in NY/PA/NJ. So again, **** the ACC.
 
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Granted the move to the BiG was predicated by Maryland's need for financial stability for the athletic department, but do they regret making the move? They're a perennial basketball power and they played in the best conference for men's basketball; playing against several teams within 250 miles. Now their closest rivals are in NB and Happy Valley.

Thoughts?
Come on man!!!!
 
The ACC doesn't need Maryland. As for their fanbase I have friends in the Washington, Baltimore and the Eastern Shore area who very much miss their ACC rivalries. My friend who has a law firm in the Baltimore area said Title IX was the number 1 financial drain and deciding factor for the B10 invite. This guy loves Maryland football.
 
Maryland has a football team but that is not their past time. Maryland is a basketball and lacrosse school.

If looking at this fall:
- Football is a bottom of the division team but has a chance for a lower bowl (Rutgers is bottom tier too)
- Men's soccer - 1st place in the regular season (Rutgers is last)
- Ladies Soccer - Last place (Rutgers made the conference final)
- Volleyball - 3rd to last (Rutgers was winless again)
- Women's tennis - middle of the pack (Rutgers was winless)
- Field Hockey - 1st place with Rutgers at the bottom of the conference

Last Winter / Spring:
- Men's hoops - 4th place while Rutgers was near the bottom
- Ladies hoops - 1st place with Rutgers in the middle of the pack
- Baseball - middle of the pack while Rutgers was the bottom of the pack
- Men's Lacrosse - 1st in the conference with Rutgers 2nd
- Ladies lacrosse - 1st in the conference with Rutgers at the bottom
- Wrestling - near the bottom with Rutgers in the middle
- Ladies gymnastics - both Maryland and Rutgers were near the bottom of the conference
- Softball - both Maryland and Rutgers were near the bottom of the conference

Comparing RU and MD
RU- 4 teams in the top half and 9 in the bottom (2 teams in top 3 of standings or conference final)
MD - 7 teams in the top half and 6 in the bottom half (6 teams in top 3 of standings)
 
The ACC doesn't need Maryland. As for their fanbase I have friends in the Washington, Baltimore and the Eastern Shore area who very much miss their ACC rivalries. My friend who has a law firm in the Baltimore area said Title IX was the number 1 financial drain and deciding factor for the B10 invite. This guy loves Maryland football.

Look, the ACC needs Maryland trust me. The media coverage aroudn D.C. has decidely shifted to the Big Ten.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/?nid=menu_nav_sports

When you go to the washington post there are links to: Redskins, Nationals, Capitals, Wizards, D.C. United, Maryland (UMD), and AllMetSports (local high school).

They rarely cover UVA or VT, and they do as many piece on them as they do PSU. Sure Duke and UNC are national draws, but the day to day coverage is all Maryland. It's not good for the ACC to lose the Baltimore and Washington D.C. market. Ohio State and Michigan have taken their place. With Maryland being better in basketball again, it really has pushed out the Georgetown, Duke and UNC as the regulars.


As far as our old rivalries, yes I miss them, I wish the ACC was back to a 8 team league. Without FSU, where we all played each other in football and played each other twice in basketball and I could drive to all the games. However, that ACC died a long time ago. That's like wanting to go back to your high school sweet heart 30 years later, thinking it will be the same as it used to be.

More than 1/2 of the ACC now are teams that were NOT part of the original ACC. The ACC is more Big East than it is the ACC i knew.

FSU, Notre Dame, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, Miami, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, and Virginia were all added after the ACC was formed. That is 9 out of 15 teams that were not there in 1953 out of the original Maryland, Clemson, Duke, Wake, NC State, UNC, and South Carolina.

Now for people that were born yesterday, this might not mean much. But before games Maryland has always played "The battle hymn of the Republic" while the other schools played "Dixie". We were the outlier and a lot of schools held it against us that we sided with the North in the Civil war even though we were a southern state. We held slaves the entire war and even 3 years after the war ended until 1867. Maryland schools were segregated until the 1960s. We held slaves, but we weren't traitors. Can't escape who you are and what you were, but Maryland has never really belonged in the ACC completely. So for that we got screwed by the Carolina mafia who had the voting block to do what it wanted. UVA(always votes with UNC)/UNC/Duke/Wake/NC State always would screw MD, Clemson and South Carolina every chance they got. The tournament was almost always in North Carolina. They raised academic standards just to screw South Carolina and Maryland leading to South Carolina leaving and the demise of our football in the 1960's. The bias towards the Carolina schools was ridiculous.

So in conclusion we may be a outlier and we have some things in common with the other B1G schools, like we had some things in common with the ACC. The difference is the B1G treats us 10 times better. Maryland fans don't travel that much and we are pretty well off and traveling to PSU, RU, OSU, Michigan and Indiana is not hard at all for those who want to. There is no way the FANS would ever go back to the ACC, now seeing how a conference fairly treats its members and the admin is not going back to 27 million a year when we will see like 50.
 
The media coverage aroudn D.C. has decidely shifted to the Big Ten.

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The BIG offered more money, which is great. It hasn't created any advantages for Md, yet. Despite its financial situation, Maryland had strong performance in many sports, unlike Rutgers. Many of the Olympic sports were better in the ACC, so it's logical that Maryland has performed well in the BIG. Good to very good hoops, average to good football historically, that's where they were in ACC and where they'll be in BIG. Rutgers has terrible basketball (why would BIG provide a better opportunity than the BE?), average to below average football (hammered in original BE, some success after BE lost schools), terrible Olympic sports (no reason to believe BIG will have significant positive impact).
 
Dad on my son's baseball team is a big UMD fan. He's happy that UMD is in the B1G. As he put it: "No more the red-headed step child to the Tobacco Road Gang." He also said something along the lines of "swimming in more money than the ACC can dream of...."
 
"No more the red-headed step child to the Tobacco Road Gang."

No kidding about that. I love the old days from the ACC, but damn if there weren't 15,000 "ABM"s cheering against us Yankees in every ACC tournament game. We lost a lot of 1-2 point ACC championship games. We always said that we had to make sure to have a ten point lead in any road game or the result was in jeopardy.

Check out this non-call gem in the 1980 ACC finals:



But the Amen chorus was sung in Greensboro 4 years later. Tobacco Road was not happy that we had the gall to do that...

 
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