Doucoure - Clearing house watch ....

[RUMBA-JK]

may be approaching the time when word might come back from the clearing house - of course, each case can be different and the process is variable - but as of today there is now one fresh timeline / benchmark that can be considered for general reference - see the Bagley news below
when an announcement could be made is anybody's guess - but it might not be all that far off.
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Monday, August 14 - Marvin Bagley commits to Duke Blue Devils

Friday, September 8th - Duke Basketball announced Bagley was certified by the NCAA Eligibility Center. He has been cleared "both academically and from an amateurism standpoint."

 

[NJDOVES]

may be approaching the time when word might come back from the clearing house - of course, each case can be different and the process is variable - but as of today there is now one fresh timeline / benchmark that can be considered for general reference - see the Bagley news below
when an announcement could be made is anybody's guess - but it might not be all that far off.
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Monday, August 14 - Marvin Bagley commits to Duke Blue Devils

Friday, September 8th - Duke Basketball announced Bagley was certified by the NCAA Eligibility Center. He has been cleared "both academically and from an amateurism standpoint."

Let's face it, the NCAA can do what ever they want! With little recourse from anyone, except maybe the media, which defenently has little effect.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Let's face it, the NCAA can do what ever they want! With little recourse from anyone, except maybe the media, which defenently has little effect.

well actually if it is clear that they are just being arbitrary & are jerking a kid around without any justification - it can prompt a lawsuit - and the NCAA does not want to swim in those waters on this issue - two years ago they got into some scuffling about some players (and it happened to involve Doucoure's school) & when the spotlight began to shine intensely on the arbitrary actions - the NCAA basically pronounced the players cleared and scurried on to a different issue -
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/...ars-players-then-absolves-itself.html?mcubz=0
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/...ars-players-then-absolves-itself.html?mcubz=0
This whole idea of the NCAA being able to have jurisdiction over which high school classes are acceptable for athletic qualification - regardless of whether the university has found the student athlete worthy - is ripe for dissection - there are kids with transcripts that could be acceptable for admission to Yale that could get a mountain of grief from the Clearing House

Just based upon comments in articles over his high school years - have the impression that Doucoure's records are pretty solid - and grades are more than adequate
- and don't think he has hazy stuff like Junior Etou had (and that only cost what? 5-6 games?)

 

[NJDOVES]

Like the Times quoted "NCAA clears player then absolves themselves". Too many lawyers with no regard to the players and just covering there asses I could qoute a few lawyer jokes here but, don't want to disrespect our RU contingent...

well actually if it is clear that they are just being arbitrary & are jerking a kid around without any justification - it can prompt a lawsuit - and the NCAA does not want to swim in those waters on this issue - two years ago they got into some scuffling about some players (and it happened to involve Doucoure's school) & when the spotlight began to shine intensely on the arbitrary actions - the NCAA basically pronounced the players cleared and scurried on to a different issue -
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/...ars-players-then-absolves-itself.html?mcubz=0
This whole idea of the NCAA being able to have jurisdiction over which high school classes are acceptable for athletic qualification - regardless of whether the university has found the student athlete worthy - is ripe for dissection - there are kids with transcripts that could be acceptable for admission to Yale that could get a mountain of grief from the Clearing House

Just based upon comments in articles over his high school years - have the impression that Doucoure's records are pretty solid - and grades are more than adequate
- and don't think he has hazy stuff like Junior Etou had (and that only cost what? 5-6 games?)

 

[Big East Beast]

well actually if it is clear that they are just being arbitrary & are jerking a kid around without any justification - it can prompt a lawsuit - and the NCAA does not want to swim in those waters on this issue - two years ago they got into some scuffling about some players (and it happened to involve Doucoure's school) & when the spotlight began to shine intensely on the arbitrary actions - the NCAA basically pronounced the players cleared and scurried on to a different issue -
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/...ars-players-then-absolves-itself.html?mcubz=0
This whole idea of the NCAA being able to have jurisdiction over which high school classes are acceptable for athletic qualification - regardless of whether the university has found the student athlete worthy - is ripe for dissection - there are kids with transcripts that could be acceptable for admission to Yale that could get a mountain of grief from the Clearing House

Just based upon comments in articles over his high school years - have the impression that Doucoure's records are pretty solid - and grades are more than adequate
- and don't think he has hazy stuff like Junior Etou had (and that only cost what? 5-6 games?)

So what do you propose, let the school's police themselves?

 

[Russ Wood]

It hasn't been called the Clearinghouse for a few years

 

[LC-88]

^^^^^^ Well said Sir. LOL.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

It hasn't been called the Clearinghouse for a few years

Yes - you are correct - what used to be formally known as the
"NCAA Initial-Eligibility Clearinghouse" - ( AKA the 'clearinghouse')
is now the "NCAA Eligibility Center"

but old terms are stubborn and this one seems to be well woven into the current vernacular - embedded into, powerpoint presentations and various handouts - from high school athletic departments, College recruiters, scholarship advisors.

It probably also sticks around because it is still common to hear the process referred to as 'being 'cleared' by the NCAA - or "going through the clearing process" - and the NCAA has the process broken into different steps and utilizes a range of terms - 'register', 'review' , 'certified', 'eligible' at different points in the process.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

So what do you propose, let the school's police themselves?

The point was that the there exists reports (see the referenced article) of some justifiable disgruntlement with the overly bureaucratic, inordinately complex process - and in various instances there is great anger when things get dragged out - or athletes are declared ineligible - on arbitrary technicalities, or for ambiguous reasons - and it gets even more contentious when it appears that a particular action on a prospective athlete is being taken with flimsy justification and is more a matter of pursuit of a particular agenda. Unfortunately, the NCAA has had a few instances where over zealous individuals have appeared to have been 'heavy handed' when highly objective and neutral would have been better

- probably is no need create an alternative to the NCAA - but - for other reasons it could end up happening - there is talk about the creation of a tier above D-1 - not sure how that would work - or if it could.

 

[LC-88]

Yes - you are correct - what used to be formally known as the
"NCAA Initial-Eligibility Clearinghouse" - ( AKA the 'clearinghouse')
is now the "NCAA Eligibility Center"

but old terms are stubborn and this one seems to be well woven into the current vernacular - embedded into, powerpoint presentations and various handouts - from high school athletic departments, College recruiters, scholarship advisors.

It probably also sticks around because it is still common to hear the process referred to as 'being 'cleared' by the NCAA - or "going through the clearing process" - and the NCAA has the process broken into different steps and utilizes a range of terms - 'register', 'review' , 'certified', 'eligible' at different points in the process.

I took it as a swipe at the NCAA. :)

 

[Sideline20]

If Doucoure can prove that he did not show up to any of the UNC no show classes, he should have enough credits to be eligible. The NCAA has accepted those credits for 19 years......no reason to stop now!!

 

[RutgersMO]

If Doucoure can prove that he did not show up to any of the UNC no show classes, he should have enough credits to be eligible. The NCAA has accepted those credits for 19 years......no reason to stop now!!

I have no insider information, but if Doucoure did take the UNC classes, he "Ace'd" all of them whether he showed up or not!~

MO

 

[RUMBA-JK]

Just hope that all of this mess with Adidas does not cause other items to get bogged down (Doucoure eligibility)
- objectively they absolutely should not - there are different departments - different people
- but the Adidas fiasco has the potential to suck the oxygen out of the room - for a bit - and could prompt regulators to be cautious & scrutinize everything a bit more.

 

[RUBigFrank]

The Adidas issue is a federal issue via the FBI - not sure how this impacts the work flow at the NCAA other than being an outright distraction at the present time. I'm sure there will be further action near term by the NCAA.

 

[RUMBA-JK]

The Adidas issue is a federal issue via the FBI - not sure how this impacts the work flow at the NCAA other than being an outright distraction at the present time. I'm sure there will be further action near term by the NCAA.

yes- the Adidas issue got rolling with the feds - and that was & is legal - but you can be guaranteed that the NCAA wheels are now already rolling on this - and will be rolling for some time.

there should be no connection to the eligibility assessment for this athlete - but the distraction - and potential double checking may enter in - just hope that the back splatter from this has negligible impact.

 

[PaKnight]

yes- the Adidas issue got rolling with the feds - and that was & is legal - but you can be guaranteed that the NCAA wheels are now already rolling on this - and will be rolling for some time.

there should be no connection to the eligibility assessment for this athlete - but the distraction - and potential double checking may enter in - just hope that the back splatter from this has negligible impact.

Even within the NCAA, it is two separate areas.

 

[RUJMM78]

In a well organized NCAA Clearing House decisions should be decided prior to the start of school semesters.

 

[Russ Wood]

In a well organized NCAA Clearing House decisions should be decided prior to the start of school semesters.

Who says they are not well organized?

Trust me, if the NCAA Eligibility Center had to make decisions prior to the start of school semesters, a huge number of kids would not be able to play as freshman.

A big part of the delay in clearing student-athletes is that many of these kids wait until it is very late to submit all of the documentation the NCAA requires. It is a shame really, because the NCAA Eligibility Center website provides dates by which each set of documents should be submitted. Sadly many kids do not even register with the NCAA Eligibility Center until late in their junior year of HS. I know of one kid who was a senior in HS and I mentioned the NCAA Eligibility Center to his father and he straight up told me that he didn't know what that was.

Now, mix in a kid who started HS in another country. The NCAA has to verify that the kid actually attended a real school with legit classes. The NCAA may have to send someone to the kid's native country to visit the school. Now mix in a kid who reclassifies. The NCAA has to verify that the kid completed certain core classes before the start of what is their "new" junior year.

It is not the most difficult thing but some students make it hard on themselves by procrastinating.

It is the student-athlete's responsibility to register, submit documents, have their HS submit transcripts and have wherever they took the ACT or SAT submit test scores to the NCAA. Get the info submitted late and the NCAA doesn't move you to the front of the line just because your sport starts practice in late September.

 

[TDIrish27]

HS's can be doing it online for 3 years prior to a kids senior year and know exactly where the kid stands heading into the summer after his junior year

 

[SkilletHead2]

Who says they are not well organized?

Trust me, if the NCAA Eligibility Center had to make decisions prior to the start of school semesters, a huge number of kids would not be able to play as freshman.

A big part of the delay in clearing student-athletes is that many of these kids wait until it is very late to submit all of the documentation the NCAA requires. It is a shame really, because the NCAA Eligibility Center website provides dates by which each set of documents should be submitted. Sadly many kids do not even register with the NCAA Eligibility Center until late in their junior year of HS. I know of one kid who was a senior in HS and I mentioned the NCAA Eligibility Center to his father and he straight up told me that he didn't know what that was.

Now, mix in a kid who started HS in another country. The NCAA has to verify that the kid actually attended a real school with legit classes. The NCAA may have to send someone to the kid's native country to visit the school. Now mix in a kid who reclassifies. The NCAA has to verify that the kid completed certain core classes before the start of what is their "new" junior year.

It is not the most difficult thing but some students make it hard on themselves by procrastinating.

It is the student-athlete's responsibility to register, submit documents, have their HS submit transcripts and have wherever they took the ACT or SAT submit test scores to the NCAA. Get the info submitted late and the NCAA doesn't move you to the front of the line just because your sport starts practice in late September.

With regard to kids from other countries, I occasionally help out a kid who wants to go to the US for college from New Zealand, sometimes athletes.

Kids in NZ do not "graduate" from high school. There is no such thing here. Kids work toward "qualifications." A Level Two Qualification is necessary to go to college. College admissions here are pretty much open if you have a Level Two Qualification, or are 20 years old. It isn't competitive except in a few areas (there are a couple quibbles on what I've said, but it's 95% accurate).

So, when the US comes looking, the Kiwi hasn't graduated from HS. Nor does he have a GPA. They don't worry about grades here. You have to pass tests to get credit in courses, and the credit system goes "Not Achieved, Achieved, Merit, and Excellence." There is no college admissions test.

And we're not even a third world country (although you cannot get a decent bagel in the whole country)! So, it can get complicated. BTW, kids who are done with HS are not called "high school graduates," they are called "high school leavers" -- I kid you not.

 

[m1ipabrams]

(although you cannot get a decent bagel in the whole country)

scratches New Zealand off bucket list

 

[mesa4234]

And we're not even a third world country (although you cannot get a decent bagel in the whole country)! So, it can get complicated.

We were in New Zealand last July and while we didn't know it, my wife was pregnant. We ended out trip in Auckland, and by that time, all she wanted to eat was carbs. We ended up finding a bagel place near our hotel, Best Ugly Bagels. The bagels were surprisingly good. I believe it was on Wellesley St in Auckland. Not as good as New York, but I would argue the best I have had out of the Northeast.

 

[SkilletHead2]

We were in New Zealand last July and while we didn't know it, my wife was pregnant. We ended out trip in Auckland, and by that time, all she wanted to eat was carbs. We ended up finding a bagel place near our hotel, Best Ugly Bagels. The bagels were surprisingly good. I believe it was on Wellesley St in Auckland. Not as good as New York, but I would argue the best I have had out of the Northeast.

Best Ugly is the best in NZ (it's a franchise), but their quality varies a lot from branch to branch. I don't get to Auckland too much. Best bagels in Dunedin are at the coffee shop of the local museum. Guy who runs it is a New Yorker, and makes a decent bagel. Kiwis don't "get" bagels, so there isn't a lot of competition. They'd rather eat meat pies (6000 calories per pie, all animal fat and flour).

 

[Seton75]

We have a kid named Nzei on our team. He is a terrific student, but sat his frosh yr due to qualification issues, a foreign kid who moved here. Hope it works out ok for your kid.