Zero playmakers on the team. It doesn't matter who is calling plays when none can get made.
Recruit. That will tell me how good he is or not.
Recruit. That will tell me how good he is or not.
Drew Mehringer Postgame Press Conference - Indiana
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We were moving the ball ok in the first half and punched in that TD to start the half. My problem is with the play calls the rest of the game. DM went super conservative and try to "not lose". Lack of experience and it showed. Last week was good because we were playing catch up and forced him to be aggressive.
Right, because playing musical chairs with the coaching staff always works well for everyone. [eyeroll]
Also, he wasn't yelling or talking down to anybody. We're having a discussion. And you're the one that (incorrectly) called his post delusional. Which is pretty confrontational for a guy who's oversensitive to the tone of other people's posts.
I agree, mostly.
But I think it was even worse than just no play makers yesterday. We had players messing up the timing before the plays (getting the motion timing wrong). Don't need to be a play-maker to get the pre-snap motion timing right - just need to be focused. And, too many times on too many plays, one or more players on the O just seemed to lack focus.
When that happens, the play is half dead before the snap. No amount of great play calling can work if the players mess up before the play even gets started.
I don't think he went super conservative. I think he was trying to establish a running game, which, for our team at the moment, was pretty much going to be necessary to win the game. It certainly looked conservative, but I think it was just very poor execution, especially from the O line (didn't help that our left tackle was limping around hurt most of the second half).
We can't block, are slow, have receivers who can't make much happen and a QB who can't run thus limiting half the playbook.
The problem ain't the coach. Rather, you can't make an assessment of it is or not.
Recruit recruit recruit.
The problem ain't the coach. Rather, you can't make an assessment of it is or not.
Recruit recruit recruit.
That second sentence is the thing a lot of our fans don't seem to grasp. It's very difficult for us to judge the coaching when the players are making obvious mistakes all over the field.
Listen, friend, see if you can understand. I am not speaking to what I would like to see happen, I am speaking to what is in fact going to happen. And I will say again, if you and your ilk would like to shout others down and throw tantrums at those who are simply observing what is going on, no one is going to stop you. Just seems like wasted energy to me get when we are all rooting for the same team.
My "ilk"? "Tantrums"? LOL
Nobody here is throwing a tantrum. You're struggling with interpreting tone. And again, you are the one who called another forum member's post "delusional" which was, by far, the most aggressive tone taken in any post in this thread. And then, when that poster defended himself, you got all offended.
Don't throw stones if you're emotionally a glass house.
I thought that after Gio was obviously limping around, Drew would give the freshman a few reps. But no. Also no Rob Martin, although Ash said he played on special teams. OUR BEST RUNNING BACK IS PLAYING ON SPECIAL TEAMS!
Maybe I'm too old to understand what Drew and Chris are thinking. Is there an app for this?
Maybe I'm too old to understand what Drew and Chris are thinking. Is there an app for this?
I certainly agree, but how do you recruit top-flight athletes for a program that does so poorly, and with no tradition of great success? (I'm not being rhetorical, my question is a real one)
Too many folks assuming that regardless of the product on the field, HCCA and co are still going to be able to recruit quality personnel AND depth. I don't understand this logic. If I'm a recruit, I'm not only interested in schematics, which have been largely ineffective to-date, but a staff that is also able to consistently demonstrate the ability to develop talent and overachieve. TBD.
LOL, are you one of the coaches? we lost because of the players but we win due to coaching. A lot of coaches would love to work for you.
Martin hadn't been able to get enough reps, according to Ash. They wanted to play him at RB, but while he was okay to play a bit on punt/kick coverage teams, he apparently wasn't quite ready to play at RB. I think they were limiting the hits he'd get so as not to risk re-injury while still getting him some in-game play for some contact. My guess is we will see him next week, barring any further injury in practice this week.
It's a significant challenge, and one that Schiano never quite got over the hump with.
But that's the challenge Ash accepted and it has been repeated that he has a plan for it. So we shall see.
He's going to need to recruit players with skills that best fit his systems, although they will not be 4 and 5 star kids (or just a sprinkle of 4 star kids), and then player development will be critical. Similar challenges to what he was facing as a DC at Wisconsin, as opposed to the talent level at Ohio State.
I look at the Indiana defense as an example. Indiana has talent level (high school recruiting) on the same or worse level than Rutgers. They've gone through multiple DCs with their systems through the years and the results have all been really bad. They bring in Tom Allen with a new system, culture and way of doing things, and now they're at least somewhat competent in less than 1 year.
We'll see if Ash and staff can get it done.
And Schiano had the Florida connection with which to recruit. AFAIK, Ash has nothing like that. I think that as Rutgers becomes a more desirable school to go to, recruiting will improve. Cal is sometimes able to recruit fine players on the argument that "you'll get a Berkeley degree." But even so, I think Ash will find it extraordinarily challenging to find excellent recruits. Maybe some will figure, "gee, I probably can't be first-string at [say] OSU, so I'll go to Rutgers where I have a better chance of starting" -- but are those the kind of players you want? Again, I'm not just being rhetorical. Heck, we can't recruit an excellent basketball team (even though we're in prime country for basketball) and that requires so many fewer top-rank players than a football team.
If Ash can convince one class of top NJ recruits to stick together and choose RU, that can get the ball rolling. It can happen. The only question is if and when it will happen.
this entire staff is getting on the job training, they keep saying we need better players, guess what so do all the other teams, if you are an offensive player you dont know what you get here, power spread? this is hot houston dorothy, its rutgers you play to the strenght of your team, they are trying to force feed their ideas . its a new excuse every weewk. dont trell me flood wouldnt have more than 2 wins so far this season
Maybe, but that would make a difference. Going totally winless in the B1G would be an abject disaster.
I could even forgive being totally non-competitive against Michigan or tOSU while a team like NW had tOSU on the ropes.
What is not acceptable to me is losing to a team like Indiana, which is not more talented. Going to the end zone against Iowa 3 times with nothing to show for it.
We may beat MSU. But it would go a long way IMO to have at least one win against a team with a pulse.
Weeks ago I came to the conclusion that we won't win another game this year. So, I start with the premise that we'll lose and just go from there. I get that it's not the greatest attitude but it allows me to watch the games without getting frustrated and annoyed.
This is a lost year. DM is not going anywhere. Everyone is learning -- particularly the coaching staff. I could see some tweaks to the staff in the offseason; it happens just about every year in college. We could really use an old gray beard (other than Okruch) as "Assistant Head Coach" to be a good sounding board for Ash. At the same time, I think Ash is a true believer in staff continuity so I don't see that happening.
Despite what some say it's not that hard to win in the B1G. I don't think Minnesota is great and they are 7-2. So, despite my effort to downplay the results this year, I am disappointed that we haven't been able to win any of these games.
This is a lost year. DM is not going anywhere. Everyone is learning -- particularly the coaching staff. I could see some tweaks to the staff in the offseason; it happens just about every year in college. We could really use an old gray beard (other than Okruch) as "Assistant Head Coach" to be a good sounding board for Ash. At the same time, I think Ash is a true believer in staff continuity so I don't see that happening.
Despite what some say it's not that hard to win in the B1G. I don't think Minnesota is great and they are 7-2. So, despite my effort to downplay the results this year, I am disappointed that we haven't been able to win any of these games.
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