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Duke Will have its whole staff at the John Wall Holiday for 2024 PG Dylan Harper

Why would a Rutgers fan publicly post on our board that our highest profile recruit would be better off committing to someone else?
Exactly. And kyk roots for Rutgers hoops to fail with these crazy win predictions. Back in April he predicted this team to be 4-16 in the B1G.

Meanwhile all Pike does is win and he wins the right way. I can’t think of a better Rutgers Head Coach ever.
 
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I know I am in the minority here….I could care less if he comes here or not.

Do we know Day 1 if a kid who has NBA aspirations in 1 or 2 years is going to buy in to what the program asks of?

I love this team and how they buy in both ends.

Maybe Dylan fits, but maybe he doesn’t.

Right now computers have us as a Top 20 team. It is because of the system way more than the players.
Stop. You can't honestly think that

If you ever want to win the B1G and/or get to the final four, you need elite level talent. Not a full roster of 5 star studs, but one or a couple to build the team around, the right ones, can change the program forever and lift it up to the next level

A Dylan commit could lead to a superclass. The best in Rutgers history... but nah I don't care lol come on man
 
Exactly. And kyk roots for Rutgers hoops to fail with these crazy win predictions. Back in April he predicted this team to be 4-16 in the B1G.

Meanwhile all Pike does is win and he wins the right way. I can’t think of a better Rutgers Head Coach ever.
Dylan, Ace, etc would really be a big blow to the narrative he's been trying so hard to push
 
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I know I am in the minority here….I could care less if he comes here or not.

Do we know Day 1 if a kid who has NBA aspirations in 1 or 2 years is going to buy in to what the program asks of?

I love this team and how they buy in both ends.

Maybe Dylan fits, but maybe he doesn’t.

Right now computers have us as a Top 20 team. It is because of the system way more than the players.
We are ranked so high because of the way Pike, Knight, Hobbs and Thompson recruit our players. And then how they develop and coach the players.

I believe they have determined that Dylan is a great fit and someone they really, really want in Scarlet.
 
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I know I am in the minority here….I could care less if he comes here or not.

Do we know Day 1 if a kid who has NBA aspirations in 1 or 2 years is going to buy in to what the program asks of?

I love this team and how they buy in both ends.

Maybe Dylan fits, but maybe he doesn’t.

Right now computers have us as a Top 20 team. It is because of the system way more than the players.
It’s both. Maybe Pike has improved as a coach since he got here but the major difference between his first two 3-15 teams and the current team is the players. Pike obviously believes he fits the system; that’s why he is recruiting him hard
 
He’s recruiting him hard because we have an advantage having Ron here and his family liking Pike.

I view getting a player like Dylan high risk and high return. There is an obvious upside, but there is a risk too.

We almost didn’t make the tournament last year because of Jaden Jones. Pike eventually pulled the plug on him, but we almost dug a hole too deep.

Now it is very possible Dylan comes here and day 1 adds to the team.
 
He’s recruiting him hard because we have an advantage having Ron here and his family liking Pike.

I view getting a player like Dylan high risk and high return. There is an obvious upside, but there is a risk too.

We almost didn’t make the tournament last year because of Jaden Jones. Pike eventually pulled the plug on him, but we almost dug a hole too deep.

Now it is very possible Dylan comes here and day 1 adds to the team.
If you want to compare him to Pike's highest rated recruit, it's Cliff. That has been quite the success

Jaden comparison? Not buying it and not sure why he comes to mind. Harper is so much higher rated than JJ ever was. Not the same at allllll.

We are talking 5 star top 5 overall type talent here. The risk/reward is insanely skewed toward reward.

The risk with Dylan is the closest to zero out of any recruit we would ever land in the history of the program

The reward is a potential B1G title and Final Four run
 
He’s recruiting him hard because we have an advantage having Ron here and his family liking Pike.

I view getting a player like Dylan high risk and high return. There is an obvious upside, but there is a risk too.

We almost didn’t make the tournament last year because of Jaden Jones. Pike eventually pulled the plug on him, but we almost dug a hole too deep.

Now it is very possible Dylan comes here and day 1 adds to the team.
Do you NOT want Pike to recruit blue chip talent?! If you’re going to worry about the infinitesimal risk that DH might upset Pike’s team chemistry, then you’re NEVER going to want ANY top tier talent on this team.

Holy mackerel.
 
We almost didn’t make the tournament last year because of Jaden Jones.
I disagree with this post on so many levels I almost don’t know where to start, which is surprising considering I often agree with you.

Blaming Jaden Jones for early season losses last year is a huge stretch

Jaden Jones has less than nothing to do with Dylan Harper. What are the supposed parallels here? They are both basketball players that hope to one day play professionally? They are both somewhat highly rated recruits?

Whatever mistake Pike supposedly made with Jaden do you somehow attribute this to Jaden being a somewhat highly rated recruit? Why is it any different than lineup adjustments that seemed to have a positive impact in 2020-21?
 
Also, the philosophy that kept Jaden on the court maybe longer than he should have been was the same one that kept Jacob Young out there in Nov-Dec 2019 when, if you will remember, he looked like absolute total dog shit and was turning the ball over every time he touched it. That one worked out pretty well. And that group accomplished the most of any RU group in ages despite purportedly having some chemistry issues toward the end of the 20-21 season
 
Duke doesn't develop NBA players, they just take kids already going to NBA.

Kids who go to duke usually are worse off in the NBA (outside of a few guys, tatum zion banchero)
Here's a little something for those who aren't completely familiar with Dylan Harper's recruitment... don't underestimate Hobbs (Karl, not Pat...lol) here... Hobbs was influential in the recruitment, growth, and success of Ray Allen, Richard Hamilton, and Caron Butler while at UConn... an impressive list of players Dylan is well aware... Ron Sr. knows it and is extremely comfortable letting his son know it, too.

This
 
Guys

We can split hairs on how well duke players do when they get to the NBA

That’s not the point

Duke gets players in the nba . Period . Now, is it because they get the cream of the high school crop and they were already NBA material ? Or because coach K developed them …or something in betweeb

The real question here is does Dylan beleive that the Rutgers staff can at least do the same for him as the duke staff does for the other five star kids ?

His Brother is a good piece of evidence that RU will

But , that’s for him to decide ….and ONE (and maybe not the only ONE) factor to decide on where he goes to college

My money is he is playing in regularly playing in RAC in 22 months …..
 
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@kyk1827 would probably be happy to be proven wrong.

Like… there’s no need to suggest he’s rooting for failure here.
The thing is he keeps being proven wrong with negative basketball takes and then just seems to double down even more. Instead of getting on board the Pike train he went to saying this team was as talented as Eddie Jordan's and we would have like 4 B1G wins... then later hedged saying 6 or something bc the B1G was so down
 
Just off the top of my head, in the last year he has started threads:

Before the Purdue home game last year, he started a thread saying that we would get destroyed and it would be the “beginning of the end” for Pike. We won.

Sometime in that same timeframe he started a thread saying that Kenpom predicted us to go 2-18 in the Big Ten. This was incorrect, both because he misinterpreted Kenpom’s website which did not predict that and also because we went 12-8 in the big ten

He posted a thread at the end of this season that said that we had less talent currently than at the end of the Eddie Jordan era. Eddie Jordan’s last team was #279 in Kenpom. We are currently #23

He posted a thread stating that Oregon would run its offense through Jacob young and dominate. Oregon missed the tournament and finished #82 in Kenpom. Jacob Young averaged 12ppg a year after averaging 14.1 at Rutgers

I don’t know if @kyk1827 roots for failure, but he demonstrates it with every basketball related post
 
If you want to compare him to Pike's highest rated recruit, it's Cliff. That has been quite the success

Jaden comparison? Not buying it and not sure why he comes to mind. Harper is so much higher rated than JJ ever was. Not the same at allllll.

We are talking 5 star top 5 overall type talent here. The risk/reward is insanely skewed toward reward.

The risk with Dylan is the closest to zero out of any recruit we would ever land in the history of the program

The reward is a potential B1G title and Final Four run
Positive skew absolutely. There is a risk.
 
Just off the top of my head, in the last year he has started threads:

Before the Purdue home game last year, he started a thread saying that we would get destroyed and it would be the “beginning of the end” for Pike. We won.

Sometime in that same timeframe he started a thread saying that Kenpom predicted us to go 2-18 in the Big Ten. This was incorrect, both because he misinterpreted Kenpom’s website which did not predict that and also because we went 12-8 in the big ten

He posted a thread at the end of this season that said that we had less talent currently than at the end of the Eddie Jordan era. Eddie Jordan’s last team was #279 in Kenpom. We are currently #23

He posted a thread stating that Oregon would run its offense through Jacob young and dominate. Oregon missed the tournament and finished #82 in Kenpom. Jacob Young averaged 12ppg a year after averaging 14.1 at Rutgers

I don’t know if @kyk1827 roots for failure, but he demonstrates it with every basketball related post
I freaking love his basketball takes. He posts with such conviction, it’s hilarious.
Football info of his, I’ll listen to.
Basketball, I just shake my head
 
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You essentially are by trying hard to sell the idea that any 5 star player should always choose Duke over Rutgers.

With post
After post
After post…
I want him to pick Rutgers.

Im simply saying that if duke is going all in on him they have alot more to sell to a 5* than we do and itd be hard to imagine him choosing RU over Duke for all the aforementioned factors. Again, it is not a crazy position to take that a 5* is more likely to choose duke over ru
 
I do not believe this.

To be clear I don’t think you aren’t a real fan. I just think you are perpetually and hilariously wrong about basketball
Im right more often than not even with bball.

I remember saying we were a bubble team a couple years back in nov/dec and people laughed only to have our season come down to needing to win the last game in OT to get in.

I remember laughing at pike saying 2021-2022 was his “best team ever” after losing jy, montez and myles and i said we were merely a bubble team. Well turns out we were last 4 in and played in a play-in game.

This year I said 8-3 OOC (nailed it) and 8-12 in B1G play for 16-15 overall. Tbh, i didnt know msu was being played at garden in which case i wouldve said 7-13 in b1g play. Anyway, keep an eye on that one, im almost always right
 
I am reluctant to jump into this debate, but can’t help myself.

I love the job Pike is doing, and I hope Dylan comes here, and he clearly has a high level of comfort with the coach and the program.

But as a 45 year observer of both college and pro basketball, I can tell you that the goal for this top end high school players is not to just get drafted, it is to get drafted as high as possible. Each slot lower in the draft can work out to millions less on your rookie contract and tens of millions over a career.

Duke runs an NBA style offense that will highlight Dylan’s skills for the league, and he will know before he commits exactly how they intend to use him and how they will restructure the offense around him. They are also well connected with NBA front offices and will make a big push for their players.

Pike hasn’t had a player like Dylan in the system before. I will assume he will change his offense to maximize Dylan’s skills, but he doesn’t have a track record of doing this, and there is certainly a risk that it won‘t work out well. Those who say Pike runs a system and that Dylan can just fit into it are wrong, the days of high end guys like Jordan trying to operate in Dean Smith‘s system ended 20 years ago, and it is why many system coaches, who are unwilling to adapt to the players coming in rarely get top 10 players, even though they continue to have lots of success. Many Big 10 coaches fall into this category.

The criticisms of Scheyer having no track record are valid, but he has been an integral part of the program for a long time, and he can also get plenty of top NBA players to call Dylan and explain to him how he personally helped them get to the league.

Pike should definitely try to get one and done guys into the program, and getting a player into a high first round draft position would undoubtedly help bring in other similar players.

I am hoping for the best, and think we have a good shot from everything I have seen, but if it doesn’t break our way, I will understand.
 
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Kyk cites the '21-'22 team as an example of being right bc it was a bubble team and not Pike's beat team ever.... kyk said we would be 3-17... reality was 12-8 and our highest finish in conference history and a double bye in the B1G Tournament.

I don’t think you can find one prediction from anyone who was more wrong than you on this one.... maybe madchuck.

You certainly cannot possibly use it as an example of how you are always right

"so what’ll now happen. This year ('21-'22 season) we go 3-17 in big ten play and everyone is disappointed but says, “but guys he got us to the tourney and we hadnt been in 3 decades, give him some leash”. Thats just the loser mindset of this fan base because we have buried the bar of what we should expect here. Next year we follow it up with another awful season and now the noise is palpable but we punt the decision one more year. 2023-2024 season is the 3rd straight bad year and we have no choice but to make a coaching change and now the 2024 season starts with a new coach rebuilding taking a few years to get us back to the tourney where we should expect to be every year."

-Kyk from the "We should fire Pike after this year, however reality is he’ll get fired in March 2024"
 
Pike hasn’t had a player like Dylan in the system before. I will assume he will change his offense to maximize Dylan’s skills, but he doesn’t have a track record of doing this, and there is certainly a risk that it won‘t work out well. Those who say Pike runs a system and that Dylan can just fit into it are wrong, the days of high end guys like Jordan trying to operate in Dean Smith‘s system ended 20 years ago, and it is why many system coaches, who are unwilling to adapt to the players coming in rarely get top 10 players, even though they continue to have lots of success.
To the extent that Pike is a system coach, it’s mostly or entirely about the defense. I doubt he is super married to his particular offensive system that, frankly, is not particularly successful. He doesn’t seem to have an issue letting players loose on the offensive end if they also play good defense. He’s not elevating the talent on offense the way he is on defense (and I’m not sure it’s even possible to do so). The way forward is to get even more talented players who will still buy in to the defensive concepts
 
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To the extent that Pike is a system coach, it’s mostly or entirely about the defense. I doubt he is super married to his particular offensive system that, frankly, is not particularly successful. He doesn’t seem to have an issue letting players loose on the offensive end if they also play good defense. He’s not elevating the talent on offense the way he is on defense (and I’m not sure it’s even possible to do so). The way forward is to get even more talented players who will still buy in to the defensive concepts
I don’t disagree, but the challenge is making major changes to the offense were previously running, and then performing at a very high level. Duke and Kentucky try to do this every year, but it is very hard to do, and many of the system guys like Izzo would never even entertain trying to do this, because the downside risk is high.
 
From the Eddie left more talent than pike has in year 7 thread....


For those not on the premium board....

If we finish ahead of 10th in the big ten next year ill delete my account

And in regards to how many B1G wins
5 or 6. I think 6 is prob best case scenario

Some bold takes especially given so much of the roster is TBD.

I don't want to hear any excuses like "that was before player X and player Y committed" since that is my entire point... making bold declarative definitive statements without knowing the roster is not prudent. Need all the facts first.

It's a clear agenda driven prediction. Nothing more
 
I don’t disagree, but the challenge is making major changes to the offense were previously running, and then performing at a very high level. Duke and Kentucky try to do this every year, but it is very hard to do, and many of the system guys like Izzo would never even entertain trying to do this, because the downside risk is high.
I'm not sure I understand what we would need to change? AFAICT we aren't running some particular thing that Dylan wouldn't fit.
 
Kyk now says 8-12 when he actually said 5 or 6 best case scenario

Then he says will delete his account if we finished ahead of 10th which seems likely

Love him or hate him, cherish these last few months while you still can
 
I know I am in the minority here….I could care less if he comes here or not.

Do we know Day 1 if a kid who has NBA aspirations in 1 or 2 years is going to buy in to what the program asks of?

I love this team and how they buy in both ends.

Maybe Dylan fits, but maybe he doesn’t.

Right now computers have us as a Top 20 team. It is because of the system way more than the players.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, but sometimes some thoughts are best to NOT be put on a home message board.

Let Dylan commit and come here first and then you can write down your negative thoughts........ Think about things before you write them down......

Best of Luck,
Groz
 
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From the Eddie left more talent than pike has in year 7 thread....


For those not on the premium board....



And in regards to how many B1G wins


Some bold takes especially given so much of the roster is TBD.

I don't want to hear any excuses like "that was before player X and player Y committed" since that is my entire point... making bold declarative definitive statements without knowing the roster is not prudent. Need all the facts first.

It's a clear agenda driven prediction. Nothing more
Exactly. He can’t wait to make stupid insanely negative predictions about R Hoops and Pike’s recruiting. And he is a fan? He absolutely sucks as a fan.

All the while, Pike just keeps delivering exciting wins and talented, hard working players into his program.
 
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Most people dont understand how the scouting thing works. Nba “scouts” are largely independent contractors who report back to teams. Guy i play with (same one that coached jq and luther) is an “area scout” for the pistons

Is this the same one who said for years that RHJ was leaving to be a 1st round pick?
Sure that guy is still employed?

Duke or Rutgers has zero impact on Dylans draft status.

He could likely sit out the year and his draft status doesn't change. Elite one and done recruits aren't developed at all in college.
They are on campus for 6 months then leave.

2024 NBA mock drafts are already out and those guys are 11 months from even starting to play CBB.
 
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