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Etou transferring

I keep saying this and nothing anyone says will be deter my opinion

It's year one next year for Eddie

He legit recruited 8 players who will be sophs and frosh next year

Six are 3 star or higher (one four star)

What need to see is

-three man class in the fall with 3star rankings. (Love to see one 4 star)

-a team ready to run through the wall for the name on the front of the jersey and play for their teammates, coaches, students and fans

-putting in a decent percentage of what we want to run long terms

-10 wins that leads the ground work for growing the kids up in years 4 and 5 toward getting respectable
(Think 10-22 next year 14-18 year 4 and .above .500 in year 5 when they are seniors and juniors

Eddie has to show program foundation next year . That is what I see...this is what will lead
To improvement later

Now...if it is a dumpster fire next year in the lockerroom....then reevaluation time is in order

Until then...we need to be patient for the I Don't know how many times....to see how this plays out
 
And if is true that Etou did not want to be here...then all the best and thanks for giving us a try

We need everyone here to want to be here...which is why I am giving Eddie a short string pass to see what happens with the 8 sophs and frosh for next year. The lockerroom and foundation need to be right...there is no more excuses from hang over from the previous regime...

Im going to stand the course...as I really think that this is being built right...it just is going to take a while because of what was here...but Eddid MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST show program building steps next year...even if the wins and losses are similar

There is a 10-22 that will be here for ever...and 10-22 that is a step toward 14-18 and a step toward 17-15 later on.

MUST see it next year
 
let's be fair RU basketball was virtually at its end after the rice stuff--to say Jordan was starting from scratch is an understatement--heck there were even calls to suspend the program and all who are reasonable would say getting back on our feet was important not wins or losses--let's see about wins in the next couple of years
 
Originally posted by bac2therac:

how is gigantic? The loss of Mack and Jack are far more gigantic in terms of what they provided. It hurts numberswise but Etou did not show anything his past two years that would indicate he was ready for a big leap up. He disappointed this year given the chance. He played major minutes both years and got plenty of experience but improvement wise it didn't seem to be coming. The team finished with 15 losses in a row and a 2-16 conference record, the loss of Etou does not change the fact that next year the team was facing the same scenario, so now perhaps they win 2 or 3 games less.
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I totally disagree. Etou was going into his junior year where you tend to see most college players make their biggest leap. Was he disappointing this year? Without a doubt. But he was a sophomore. Junior would have been a 12 and 8 type of player and a starter without question. Now you pull that a way to a team that already has glaring depth/experience problems...Its devastating.

Also- I don't think we miss Jack at all. I think we miss Myles but have a legitimate talent coming in that may honestly be an upgrade. Myles size was exposed in every conference game. We could not afford to lose a wing player.
 
Originally posted by bscharf:

Originally posted by bac2therac:

how is gigantic? The loss of Mack and Jack are far more gigantic in terms of what they provided. It hurts numberswise but Etou did not show anything his past two years that would indicate he was ready for a big leap up. He disappointed this year given the chance. He played major minutes both years and got plenty of experience but improvement wise it didn't seem to be coming. The team finished with 15 losses in a row and a 2-16 conference record, the loss of Etou does not change the fact that next year the team was facing the same scenario, so now perhaps they win 2 or 3 games less.
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I totally disagree. Etou was going into his junior year where you tend to see most college players make their biggest leap. Was he disappointing this year? Without a doubt. But he was a sophomore. Junior would have been a 12 and 8 type of player and a starter without question. Now you pull that a way to a team that already has glaring depth/experience problems...Its devastating.

Also- I don't think we miss Jack at all. I think we miss Myles but have a legitimate talent coming in that may honestly be an upgrade. Myles size was exposed in every conference game. We could not afford to lose a wing player.
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This is not a gigantic loss. I don't think it's good but exactly what from Etou did you see that I didn't. He occasionally makes a 3, misses far more. His mid range and post game is virtually nonexistant. He was not a strong offensive threat. he was a poor FT shooter. His defense was good but I certainly wouldn't call it stellar.

I would say his claim to fame is he played lots of minutes yet had little effect on the game on either end of the court.
 
People tend to forget that Etou is not ur normal 19-20yo soph-junior.
 
Originally posted by PatrickRU92:
Originally posted by bscharf:

Originally posted by bac2therac:

how is gigantic? The loss of Mack and Jack are far more gigantic in terms of what they provided. It hurts numberswise but Etou did not show anything his past two years that would indicate he was ready for a big leap up. He disappointed this year given the chance. He played major minutes both years and got plenty of experience but improvement wise it didn't seem to be coming. The team finished with 15 losses in a row and a 2-16 conference record, the loss of Etou does not change the fact that next year the team was facing the same scenario, so now perhaps they win 2 or 3 games less.
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I totally disagree. Etou was going into his junior year where you tend to see most college players make their biggest leap. Was he disappointing this year? Without a doubt. But he was a sophomore. Junior would have been a 12 and 8 type of player and a starter without question. Now you pull that a way to a team that already has glaring depth/experience problems...Its devastating.

Also- I don't think we miss Jack at all. I think we miss Myles but have a legitimate talent coming in that may honestly be an upgrade. Myles size was exposed in every conference game. We could not afford to lose a wing player.
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This is not a gigantic loss. I don't think it's good but exactly what from Etou did you see that I didn't. He occasionally makes a 3, misses far more. His mid range and post game is virtually nonexistant. He was not a strong offensive threat. he was a poor FT shooter. His defense was good but I certainly wouldn't call it stellar.

I would say his claim to fame is he played lots of minutes yet had little effect on the game on either end of the court.
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I think my use of the word "gigantic" is what is triggering the responses I'm getting. How about its a very big loss to a team already lacking talent. Better?
 
I think it is a loss but I also think he is not a wing player; I had hoped he would have taken over for Jack and paired along side Lewis (or Diallo, Shaq, etc...and his effectiveness would have been his verstility, in defensive switches, in being able to shoot a little from outside, etc...oh well.
 
scarletrat

bingo

Etou is NOT a wing player...he played wing because we had 3 and 4 guys.

He handle is similar of a 4 player with range...but does not show much off the bounce...a catch and shoot guy

Too small to play the PF spot as well on defense...

A classic tweener...probably would be a good Atlantic ten power forward...
 
Originally posted by Scarlet Shack:
I keep saying this and nothing anyone says will be deter my opinion

It's year one next year for Eddie

He legit recruited 8 players who will be sophs and frosh next year

Six are 3 star or higher (one four star)

What need to see is

-three man class in the fall with 3star rankings. (Love to see one 4 star)

-a team ready to run through the wall for the name on the front of the jersey and play for their teammates, coaches, students and fans

-putting in a decent percentage of what we want to run long terms

-10 wins that leads the ground work for growing the kids up in years 4 and 5 toward getting respectable
(Think 10-22 next year 14-18 year 4 and .above .500 in year 5 when they are seniors and juniors

Eddie has to show program foundation next year . That is what I see...this is what will lead
To improvement later

Now...if it is a dumpster fire next year in the lockerroom....then reevaluation time is in order

Until then...we need to be patient for the I Don't know how many times....to see how this plays out
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You are being too kind to giving him a hall pass for not building the foundation.

Tough to be patient with the way Jordan had the team play in the last 2 years.....and it has NOTHING to do with results.

You say, "a team ready to run through the wall for the name on the front of the jersey and play for their teammates, coaches, students and fans " This team has been the polar opposite for the past 2 years.
 
Originally posted by ru66:
let's be fair RU basketball was virtually at its end after the rice stuff--to say Jordan was starting from scratch is an understatement--heck there were even calls to suspend the program and all who are reasonable would say getting back on our feet was important not wins or losses--let's see about wins in the next couple of years
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People are overrating this.....

Mack is still in touch with Rice
Jack admits he wish he had Rice
Other than Eli leaving there were no defections.

Do people really think a Huggins, Izzo, Pitino, or K practice is much different? No doubt he went over the line.
 
Who knows what goes behind the scenes. I will say this though, Etou should've been of more focus this year and that was EJ fault. He had a good skill set. He would continually fight for position, win it and never get the ball. That was a problem. Etou could've been a 14 pt 7 rebound player this year if he was given emphasis.


Scarlet, i tend to reside in the camp of " i want to see some kind of progress each year" so i don't give EJ a full pass for these past two years. We were not 20 point loss worse than teams this year. We had a good enough team to not get blown out like we did.

Etou had a funky pass though, an older kid that EJ had to take a chance on. Big ego on him, not the best attitude, but EJ did fault him to an extent, and that is probably why he left. Etou could've been the third piece to Jack and Mack this year, but it never happened.

It is what it is. We move on. Get minland and Laurent and we have two decent players there. Big respect for Minland as a player. I'd take him over Laurent but would love both. Guard defense is extremely important, and i bet if Minland came here you would see him playing good defense at the top of the key. Just a great kid, different than what we've seen in the past two years. Seems respectable, little ego, willing to take advice and improve.

We'll see how it shakes out.
 
Fig, what did Jack say about Rice?

Rice was an unsustainable coach. Lots of coaches have fire, but Rice was way more than usual and it just wasn't sustainable. Every game i went to I would look over at the bench and would see him going insane. Just didn't think it was normal, at all.


You could tell we're a losing program at the amount we look at the past. We need to see Julies plan soon and get this practice facility and turn things around.
 
Originally posted by higgins3:

Rice was an unsustainable coach. Lots of coaches have fire, but Rice was way more than usual and it just wasn't sustainable. Every game i went to I would look over at the bench and would see him going insane. Just didn't think it was normal, at all.
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This isn't true, especially in years 2 and 3. Only time I saw him out of control was going after Eric Murdock during a game.

Tell me the time when he lost control and got a technical. When did he go off and yell at a player (in public)?

Mike Rice was always in control...how he interacted with others was the problem. Almost as if he didn't know right from wrong.
 
Mike Rice was always in control...how he interacted with others was the problem. Almost as if he didn't know right from wrong.



Fig, doesn't your last sentence say it all? He had a problem, and he wasn't correcting it. Therefore unsustainable.

The fire is good if used well. Just take a look at Daniels.
 
Rice had to go...no question.

However, I personally knew two of the players on Rice's last team. They had nothing but good things to say about him even after it didn't matter what they said. The players really liked him.
 
Originally posted by Scarlet Shack:



Im going to stand the course...as I really think that this is being built right...it just is going to take a while because of what was here...but Eddid MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST show program building steps next year...even if the wins and losses are similar
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will you feel any different if 1 or more of his other recruits bails as is being rumored?

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Higgins

I certainly don't give Eddie a "free pass" on this year...which is why I laid out very specific criteria in my book (qualitative, not quantitative in most cases) that I need to see...because I think these things are NECESSARY to be seen by this fan base...and legit things that need to be to have an upward trajectory for years four and five

However...I strongly maintain my statement that there wasn't going to be a foundation to be built in Eddie's first two year...PERIOD

People seem to forget how close we were to playing with 6-8 walkons in the last two years and maybe winning 10 games in the last two years behind...and it would have taken a MASTERFUL job of pulling all the returning pieces to get much more than what we got and sniffed .500 in the last two years.. While Eddie wasn't MASTERFUL...he held things together during this period, that, had they fell apart...we would have been looking at year 5 to get to double digit wins

This is why I remain of the opinion that its as close as we are going to get with a fresh start. Better, worse, or indifferent, there is little left of the Mike Rice era. We have 8 sophs and freshman next year (and maybe more)....so I need to see program building things next year from the coaching staff and the lockerroom. And additional solid recruiting.

It sucks that's where it is at after being a RU fan for 40 years...but it is reality.

I don't want lots of JUCOs and transfers. I want to build from the ground up...so that...in years 4-5, we can sniff .500 and having something to sell to the next group of recruits to get over the hump a couple of years after.

We will know in 12 months if we are progressing or not...by what we recruit...and what we see with a young team.

As I said above...if we are having the same problems on and off the court...it has to start with the HC...as the Mick Rice era is almost two years in the rear view mirror...and everything around from then is no longer part of the program

Until then...lets be criticial but reasonable...and see where it goes
 
Shack, i hear you with being reasonable. Nonetheless, EJ could've won more games this year. I think well know by the next two years where we're at with our head coach and the program.

We need a practice facility if we want to be in a different place recruiting wise. Until we get a pf and 16+ wins, we will have the same recruits. Nonetheless, i don't mind who we're recruiting right now. Will they take us to the top five of the big-no. But they could get us some wins. We're recruiting to the program we are at the minute. No changing where we are. Just have to see improvement.
 
Not a B1G talent. Need 2-way player on a B1G starting 5.

Hopefully EJ fills his roster slot with a B1G talent.
 
Originally posted by Greene Rice FIG:

Originally posted by ru66:
let's be fair RU basketball was virtually at its end after the rice stuff--to say Jordan was starting from scratch is an understatement--heck there were even calls to suspend the program and all who are reasonable would say getting back on our feet was important not wins or losses--let's see about wins in the next couple of years
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People are overrating this.....

Mack is still in touch with Rice
Jack admits he wish he had Rice
Other than Eli leaving there were no defections.

Do people really think a Huggins, Izzo, Pitino, or K practice is much different? No doubt he went over the line.
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Four guys on the roster when EJ took over. I would say that is a problem.
 
FELONIOUSMONK said:
Another in a long line of guys who regressed over their careers regardless of the coach. .I am shooting for the class of 2022 in Jersey. I hear there care some fabulous 5th graders out there......
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2022 is a bit premature. I'm shooting for 2035. By then, we should have facilities in place and B1G $$$ for a HC. Then again, maybe I'm being too optimistic.
 
I find it a little strange that he is going all the way to Oklahoma and will sit out a full year. I think he was like 19 when he came to RU so he must be about 21 already. By the time he plays for Tulsa he will be about 22 and will finish up his playing career at about 24. It might be a bit more difficult to get a pro contract at that time. I think he might have made a mistake to leave RU but it was his decision. He will be playing in a much less competitive league and Eddie was always raving about his defense. I hope that Laurent or either of the Johnsons can make up for what Junior gave us. We still can use one more really good player to fill out or roster.
 
Tulsa does seem like a strange choice, thought he could do better.
 
Jordan made a recent comment about ETOU, he said that he was a good rebounder. He went on to say that the players recently brought in are aggressive on the offensive end and will make moves to the basket....something that Etou never did. I like Etou but he was so passive that it was frustrating to watch.

On the defensive end....I'm convinced it's press time with the number of guards and wings
 
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Choppin, almost seemed like EJ was referencing Etou in what he said. Purely word reading though.

I feel the same about the press and transition play. I think EJ is really preparing for more of that.
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
Jordan made a recent comment about ETOU, he said that he was a good rebounder. He went on to say that the players recently brought in are aggressive on the offensive end and will make moves to the basket....something that Etou never did. I like Etou but he was so passive that it was frustrating to watch.

On the defensive end....I'm convinced it's press time with the number of guards and wings
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I liked Etou as a rebounder/defender but he was never gonna be a B1G caliber forward unless he made significant gains in his offensive skills which didn't seem to be improving. Etou just couldn't shoot accurately and I can only remember him making one nice drop step layup the whole two seasons he was here. It would have been nice to keep him for depth/practice quality purposes but he probably wasn't gonna be what we need to be more competitive in the conference.
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
His cousin is Serg Ubaka. Plays for OKC. Family ties may be strong.
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Great point.

(NOTE: ESPN's Grantland just premiered their first feature film on Serg Ubaka, "Son of the Congo" last week. Click here to see that film which follows Serg's journey thru nine days back in the Congo on where/how had to grow up and the influence that place has on him today in OKC.

http://grantland.com/son-of-the-congo/

Also, even though most think he is a bit shady, Tulsa Coach Frank Haith has been to post-season play in 9 out of his last 11 years...including last year when Tulsa just moved up from CUSA to AAC and challenged SMU for the top spot.
 
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Fzacsattac said:
He'll succeed at Tulsa!
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Maybe or maybe not.
It;'s according to what you consider successful.
Playing great D and poor O could be considered a success from a defensive standpoint and the level of competition must be taken into account when anyone transfers from a school in good MMB conference into another school in another conference.
If the AAC is a good MBB Conference then comparisons can be made, if not then that has to be taken into account when judging the quality of play..

So just saying someone who transfers will be successful must be taken with a grain of salt and peppered with the facts concerning the competition the transferred player will be facing in his new home.
 
RU-Choppin-Ohio said:
His cousin is Serg Ubaka. Plays for OKC. Family ties may be strong.
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Yes good point, just looking at his offer list before committing to RU though I would've thought a high A10 or even middle ACC/Big East school might be a likely landing spot. But the family OKC connection could also make sense. There were reports that he was struggling with classroom demands of a Div-1 athlete so being close to family may help in adjusting.
 
higgins3 said:
Choppin, almost seemed like EJ was referencing Etou in what he said. Purely word reading though.

I feel the same about the press and transition play. I think EJ is really preparing for more of that.
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Based on the part of the story, he sounds like he was not happy with Etou on offense. When you have a wing that can attack the basket he can draw a defensive player over to help and that helps to open up the floor in halfcourt sets. Unfortunately, Etou did not have the skills to drive to the basket. When he tried, he looked awkward.

“We’ll have things that we’ve never had at that position,” Jordan said. “We’re losing Junior [Etou]. Obviously Junior was a terrific rebounder and defender, but we didn’t get enough creativity from that wing position, and Jonathan gives us that.”
 
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No doubt he wasn't as quick. Truth is though, Etou would fight for position a lot but wouldn't get the ball. I don't mind the loss though. Larent is a lot faster but probably not Etou on the boards. Still, fast is the game. Dribble, draw two, kick. Repeat. That's a good part of the game right now.

I like Laurent a lo. I think hes going to do well for us.
 
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