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Flood RUINED this season when he chose Laviano

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Mistakes happen all the time, and while I can't blame Flood for initially picking Laviano, he is culpable for stubbornly sticking with a qb that clearly doesn't have the skillset to play at this level. I felt this last year when we saw him vs Nebraska and Wisconsin, and this years performance has confirmed my belief.

We've seen many bad passes over the years, but I can't remember seeing so many passes that didn't have a prayer of reaching our WRs. Ridiculous! We haven't seen this kind of offensive futility since the Cubit years. Let's recap:

- 0 TDs vs PSU
- 0 TDs vs OSU (excluding the Rettig TD)
- 0 TDs vs Wisconsin
- really don't have a reason to believe things will be much different vs. Michigan

I don't have a problem that We lost to the aforementioned teams, but to show little in the way of scoring TDs is flat out unacceptable. Army and Buffalo both had two TDs vs PSU and we had none, which best exemplifies our offensive futility. Maryland lost to PSU 31-30, and really should have beaten them, so I don't know how people rationalize a victory over them when their qb is better than ours.

Laviano needs an effective running game to do well as his best plays come off playaction. An ineffective running game indicates Laviano will struggle. His struggles are especially pronounced when there is no Carroo, the only guy he seems to be comfortable throwing to, and the only guy who seems capable of adjusting to his under thrown balls.

Flood went against the will of the fanbase when he chose Laviano, which was fine, as long as his choice produced consistently. Every fan poll I saw prior to this season had Rettig as a significant fan preference. In the fan poll I started last week, roughly 60% of fans wanted Rettig exclusively and 20% wanted Rettig to split. Floods choice hasn't produced, which is why it is time for change. But my guess is that we will see more of the same, which many, including myself, find infuriating. I'm at the point where I'm dreading upcoming football games because of the expected less than stellar result. It's like we've seen the movie many times, and already know how it ends.

There is talent, it just isn't being properly utilized. We are light years away from the Terry Shea years where there was no program, no talent, and no facilities. Yet we are losing to some teams by similar scores, and that's difficult for me to reconcile.

This is not to say, that Rettig would be anything special. But at least with that big arm of his, he gives us a better chance. His throws arrive faster, and he can put the ball where only our taller WRs like 6'6" Agudosi can get it, even when covered. If the big arm of his results in one less defender in the box, it gives us a better chance of success, because it will give our running game a better chance of succeeding. And if he screws up, there's comfort in knowing that we played our best players and they just weren't good enough. I and many others feel frustrated because we feel our best qb is chained to the bench. And to continue to hear BS rationalizations following the game is starting to drive me mad. There have been times where I wanted to toss my laptop out the window. And I'm usually a calm guy.

If the backup doesn't know the playbook, as has been speculated, then it's the head coaches responsibility to ensure the backup knows the playbook. Coaches spent a lot of time ensuring that true freshman Tom Savage knew enough of the playbook to be able to perform respectably in 2009. And it worked. If the coaches have to burn the midnight oil to make sure Rettig knows the playbook then they have to do it.

I can respect that Flood is sticking to his guns and is doing things his way. But in the end, we are all accountable for producing results, and Flood and his staff have to be held to the same standard.
 
If Rettig started RU would still stink by now. Even if RU had real B1G coaching Carroo has missed a lot of games and he's only legit difference maker who can carry a bad team just some times
 
If Rettig started RU would still stink by now. Even if RU had real B1G coaching Carroo has missed a lot of games and he's only legit difference maker who can carry a bad team just some times

We would still stink, but I believe we would have more than 0 TDs against some of our opponents. Rettig would do a better job of delivering the ball to our TEs, Agudosi, Patton, and Grant. His passes to Agudosi in the last few minutes of the game were like manna from heaven for a starving fanbase.
 
His passes to Agudosi in the last few minutes of the game were like manna from heaven for a starving fanbase.

That's true. But its also true that new QBs off the bench can shine when a defense hasn't prepped for them (#2 replacement QBs have beat RU over recent years). Once Rettig started a few games and teams studied and prepped for him he would diminish imo
 
If Rettig started RU would still stink by now. Even if RU had real B1G coaching Carroo has missed a lot of games and he's only legit difference maker who can carry a bad team just some times

I love this argument. We haven't seen him start a game other than Norfolk, but, of course, RU would still suck.

Sorry folks, but decent QB play could very well have changed the way those games turned out. We've played one incredible team (Ohio State) this year. Michigan State is very good, but they've had several closer than expected games. All of the other games were possible wins imo.

But you don't win those games with 3 and outs all game long. And you don't beat good teams with the 5 yard passes Laviano can do.

Rettig was able to do two long drives out of about 5 drives in the last two games -- both without Carroo. Nobody can say how'd Rettig would have done if he was the starter. All we know is that Laviano hasn't done well at all without Carroo.
 
" Flood went against the will of the fanbase when he chose Laviano".

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on a football message board. Wow.
 
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I got to agree with Al. PS- I'm a bit surprised rutgersal has gone to this extent with criticism, but you got to call them like you see them.
 
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Ok - we are in seriously deep $h!T as a program when RutgersAl goes down this path. Everyone but the coaching staff realizes the wrong QB was picked. Everyone but coaching staff thinks we need to change. Flood must really think he has no chance to be fired hence the stubbornness.
 
When Rettig started vs Norfolk, I could not have been more happy with the play selection. We were suddenly everything we had not been with Nova.

And it has nothing to do with the plays working against inferior talent. We spread the field a bit.. did some faster pace snaps... we were deceptive... and still worked in a bunch of runs but coupled with spreading the ball around to receivers as well.

I don't think that is asking for too much from an OC.

I would love to know if this is all Flood's doing.. if the OC is limited by QB selection.. I just don't get it. The OC is not making a nice resume for himself here... and they should all need resume work the rest of the season.
 
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I love this argument. We haven't seen him start a game other than Norfolk, but, of course, RU would still suck.

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Yes because Flood's RU has never really beaten good teams.Last years record was all empty calories. Flood should have been ditched a few seasons ago when Kent St was beating RU and Julie was making Flood fire his coaches. RU had its doors blown off by good teams last year and its no surprise they are getting blown off again. They would get blown off next year too no matter who QB was. RU coaching, recruiting, admin commitment etc have been sketchy. Laviano at OSU would probably win a NC.
 
There is no way the answer is that simplistic.

I would like to see Rettig start some games and see what he can do. If Ohio State can play 3 Qbs in the first quarter against Big 10 competition Rutgers can play 2 QBs. But there is no way Rutgers is a power with Rettig starting.

Rutgers decided to run a program on the cheap and this is the result.

Stop blaming one player and start blaming Trenton and the RU admin for a lack of vision and a lack of support for Rutgers athletics. You can not do things on the cheap and expect good results.
 
I don't have a problem that We lost to the aforementioned teams, but to show little in the way of scoring TDs is flat out unacceptable. Army and Buffalo both had two TDs vs PSU and we had none, which best exemplifies our offensive futility. Maryland lost to PSU 31-30, and really should have beaten them, so I don't know how people rationalize a victory over them when their qb is better than ours.

Laviano needs an effective running game to do well as his best plays come off playaction. An ineffective running game indicates Laviano will struggle. His struggles are especially pronounced when there is no Carroo, the only guy he seems to be comfortable throwing to, and the only guy who seems capable of adjusting to his under thrown balls.

Flood went against the will of the fanbase when he chose Laviano, which was fine, as long as his choice produced consistently. Every fan poll I saw prior to this season had Rettig as a significant fan preference. In the fan poll I started last week, roughly 60% of fans wanted Rettig exclusively and 20% wanted Rettig to split. Floods choice hasn't produced, which is why it is time for change. But my guess is that we will see more of the same, which many, including myself, find infuriating. I'm at the point where I'm dreading upcoming football games because of the expected less than stellar result. It's like we've seen the movie many times, and already know how it ends.

There is talent, it just isn't being properly utilized. We are light years away from the Terry Shea years where there was no program, no talent, and no facilities. Yet we are losing to some teams by similar scores, and that's difficult for me to reconcile.

This is not to say, that Rettig would be anything special. But at least with that big arm of his, he gives us a better chance. His throws arrive faster, and he can put the ball where only our taller WRs like 6'6" Agudosi can get it, even when covered. If the big arm of his results in one less defender in the box, it gives us a better chance of success, because it will give our running game a better chance of succeeding. And if he screws up, there's comfort in knowing that we played our best players and they just weren't good enough. I and many others feel frustrated because we feel our best qb is chained to the bench. And to continue to hear BS rationalizations following the game is starting to drive me mad. There have been times where I wanted to toss my laptop out the window. And I'm usually a calm guy.

If the backup doesn't know the playbook, as has been speculated, then it's the head coaches responsibility to ensure the backup knows the playbook. Coaches spent a lot of time ensuring that true freshman Tom Savage knew enough of the playbook to be able to perform respectably in 2009. And it worked. If the coaches have to burn the midnight oil to make sure Rettig knows the playbook then they have to do it.

I can respect that Flood is sticking to his guns and is doing things his way. But in the end, we are all accountable for producing results, and Flood and his staff have to be held to the same standard.

Al, please see bolded part above - is it alright if I remind you of this when you predict an RU win over MD in a few weeks?

Other than that nitpick, I agree with your post.
 
"Laviano at OSU would probably win a NC."

I really hope you don't believe that....
 
I have to agree with us doing this on the cheap. We have several other problems. No fan and alumni support. We have a board and state reps have no real ties to the school. They attended other colleges and universities with no interest in supporting the university. We see it in our national academic rankings and the support for our sports program. The problem starts with the governor, regardless of party, right down to the media. The bottom line is -You get what you pay for.
 
"Laviano at OSU would probably win a NC."

I really hope you don't believe that....

I believe that. I think that adding Laviano to the tOSU roster would not cost them the NC. They just wouldn't have him do anything, other than being the scout team QB for the week that tOSU played Rutgers.
 
Rettig should start vs Michigan. But I'm sure we won't see him until there are less than 10 min in the game and we're down 50-0.

I believe we might see Rettig in the final 7 minutes of each of the final games. That's how much faith I have in the offense right now. If Carroo plays, maybe Rettig only gets the final series. If Carroo is out, he gets 7 minutes a game.
 
when Al is negative you know that there is no one left to close the door other than F.A.M.I.L.Y
Al was always the beacon of delusional hope.

When Al has given up it is the John Hancock on the declaration that the people running the school program are completely incompetent.
 
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Al is right. Retting with 8 games under his belt to give cover for the running game would be interesting-and better than where we are now. Not sure retting is not one of the bigger recruits going into next season.

But--WHEN AL HAS REACHED NEGATIVITY, WE ARE BEYOND RATION REASONS TO KEEP THE CURRENT CARETAKER. This is one of the signs that critical mass has long ago been reached.

Relieve Flood of command. He's gonna run the program aground which will take years to undo if he's allowed to continue down his path.
 
" Flood went against the will of the fanbase when he chose Laviano".

This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on a football message board. Wow.

Agree comments like you mentioned are insanely stupid. But there are many others that rival it in stupidity. Such as those claiming HR should start against Michigan. Based on what? Certainly not his game performance. He throws one nice long pass against the 3rd string D and when he gets his first chance against a starting D he does no better than the starter. Yesterday he orchestrated two three and out drives against the 1st/2nd strind d with a 1 for 5 performance for two yards. Is that a reason to make a switch ? And did Laviano get a chance against the Wisconsin 3rd string d like rettig did to throw a long pass without any pressure? No
 
Agree comments like you mentioned are insanely stupid. But there are many others that rival it in stupidity. Such as those claiming HR should start against Michigan. Based on what? Certainly not his game performance. He throws one nice long pass against the 3rd string D and when he gets his first chance against a starting D he does no better than the starter. Yesterday he orchestrated two three and out drives against the 1st/2nd strind d with a 1 for 5 performance for two yards. Is that a reason to make a switch ? And did Laviano get a chance against the Wisconsin 3rd string d like rettig did to throw a long pass without any pressure? No
Sorry, but Lav does not have the mechanics to go deep quickly. Watch the tape on how he threw his deep ball late in the game.
 
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Agree comments like you mentioned are insanely stupid. But there are many others that rival it in stupidity. Such as those claiming HR should start against Michigan. Based on what? Certainly not his game performance. He throws one nice long pass against the 3rd string D and when he gets his first chance against a starting D he does no better than the starter. Yesterday he orchestrated two three and out drives against the 1st/2nd strind d with a 1 for 5 performance for two yards. Is that a reason to make a switch ? And did Laviano get a chance against the Wisconsin 3rd string d like rettig did to throw a long pass without any pressure? No
Based on what, you say. Based on the other quarter back has failed and their is
nothing to lose. The least you gain is experience for someone who deserves a
chance, Laviano looks down and out.
 
They were talking about Laviano being able to get the ball out quickly. But he is so inaccurate that what difference does it make?
 
Ok - we are in seriously deep $h!T as a program when RutgersAl goes down this path. Everyone but the coaching staff realizes the wrong QB was picked. Everyone but coaching staff thinks we need to change. Flood must really think he has no chance to be fired hence the stubbornness.
Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!
Flood is a big knucklehead! Season over!
 
I just don't understand this guy. Well, looks like I'm free to do something fun on Saturday at 3:30, at least. No way am I going to sit around to watch this game.
 
Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!
Flood is a big knucklehead! Season over!

"Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!"

Certainly cant argue with this. As stated before... Under equal circumstances, Rettig has done nothing more than Laviano to supplant him as the starter. 4Q yesterday against the starters, two series... two three and outs. 1 for 5 for two yards. If he won it in camp based on many hours of practice reps that none of you have seen.... he has done nothing more against the starters to warrant making the switch. The philosophy Flood and many other coaches have stated is that the coach doesn't want the QB starter looking over his shoulder. Deal with it. Flood has no responsibility to let the fans see for themselves why he chose Laviano. He is responsible for getting his team as ready as it can be, and his staff fells CL is the man. If Rettig had moved the team, or looked good against the starting D of Wisky then maybe you can start thinking about it. And the self sack on the last drive ?? Wow. Not sure what to make of that. Will take a lot more to get him on the field than a few well thrown bombs against the third string D, with little pressure on him. Certainly shouldn't use that as any justification, because we have not seen Laviano in the same circumstance. He may be able to do the same thing. Maybe CL throws a 45 yard bomb instead of a Fifty that Rettig can ... does it really make that much difference if other aspects of his game are superior? The incessant whining over this is rediculous. The coach has stated his policy, Rettig has done nothing against the equal "D", Laviano is still the starter. DONE
 
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"Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!"

Certainly cant argue with this. As stated before... Under equal circumstances, Rettig has done nothing more than Laviano to supplant him as the starter. 4Q yesterday against the starters, two series... two three and outs. 1 for 5 for two yards. If he won it in camp based on many hours of practice reps that none of you have seen.... he has done nothing more against the starters to warrant making the switch. The philosophy Flood and many other coaches have stated is that the coach doesn't want the QB starter looking over his shoulder. Deal with it. Flood has no responsibility to let the fans see for themselves why he chose Laviano. He is responsible for getting his team as ready as it can be, and his staff fells CL is the man. If Rettig had moved the team, or looked good against the starting D of Wisky then maybe you can start thinking about it. And the self sack on the last drive ?? Wow. Not sure what to make of that. Will take a lot more to get him on the field than a few well thrown bombs against the third string D, with little pressure on him. Certainly shouldn't use that as any justification, because we have not seen Laviano in the same circumstance. He may be able to do the same thing. Maybe CL throws a 45 yard bomb instead of a Fifty that Rettig can ... does it really make that much difference if other aspects of his game are superior? The incessant whining over this is rediculous. The coach has stated his policy, Rettig has done nothing against the equal "D", Laviano is still the starter. DONE
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The QB is costing us games and the back up has a ton more talent. Flood says he doesn't know the full playbook but we have all seen that they just run the same dumb plays over and over again. That only works for a single drive and then we are dead in the water for the rest of the game.
 
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"Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!"

Certainly cant argue with this. As stated before... Under equal circumstances, Rettig has done nothing more than Laviano to supplant him as the starter. 4Q yesterday against the starters, two series... two three and outs. 1 for 5 for two yards. If he won it in camp based on many hours of practice reps that none of you have seen.... he has done nothing more against the starters to warrant making the switch. The philosophy Flood and many other coaches have stated is that the coach doesn't want the QB starter looking over his shoulder. Deal with it. Flood has no responsibility to let the fans see for themselves why he chose Laviano. He is responsible for getting his team as ready as it can be, and his staff fells CL is the man. If Rettig had moved the team, or looked good against the starting D of Wisky then maybe you can start thinking about it. And the self sack on the last drive ?? Wow. Not sure what to make of that. Will take a lot more to get him on the field than a few well thrown bombs against the third string D, with little pressure on him. Certainly shouldn't use that as any justification, because we have not seen Laviano in the same circumstance. He may be able to do the same thing. Maybe CL throws a 45 yard bomb instead of a Fifty that Rettig can ... does it really make that much difference if other aspects of his game are superior? The incessant whining over this is rediculous. The coach has stated his policy, Rettig has done nothing against the equal "D", Laviano is still the starter. DONE

So your telling me you would rather have Laviano get all 1st team reps in practice and 95% of the reps during the game, still???? They really seem to be elevating his game... You got to be joking!! They were neck and neck (floods words) in August and Flood all but stopped Rettig's development (idiotic move if they were neck and neck) ... I would much rather have Rettig "learn as he plays (or whatever Flood's clever little quote is that justifies the monstrosity we witness every week) " than Laviano....
 
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"Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!"

Certainly cant argue with this. As stated before... Under equal circumstances, Rettig has done nothing more than Laviano to supplant him as the starter. 4Q yesterday against the starters, two series... two three and outs. 1 for 5 for two yards. If he won it in camp based on many hours of practice reps that none of you have seen.... he has done nothing more against the starters to warrant making the switch. The philosophy Flood and many other coaches have stated is that the coach doesn't want the QB starter looking over his shoulder. Deal with it. Flood has no responsibility to let the fans see for themselves why he chose Laviano. He is responsible for getting his team as ready as it can be, and his staff fells CL is the man. If Rettig had moved the team, or looked good against the starting D of Wisky then maybe you can start thinking about it. And the self sack on the last drive ?? Wow. Not sure what to make of that. Will take a lot more to get him on the field than a few well thrown bombs against the third string D, with little pressure on him. Certainly shouldn't use that as any justification, because we have not seen Laviano in the same circumstance. He may be able to do the same thing. Maybe CL throws a 45 yard bomb instead of a Fifty that Rettig can ... does it really make that much difference if other aspects of his game are superior? The incessant whining over this is rediculous. The coach has stated his policy, Rettig has done nothing against the equal "D", Laviano is still the starter. DONE

And exactly because of that totally inflexible mindset, by the end of the season Flood absolutely deserves to be bounced as HC so he's no longer in a position to establish any sort of policy. His own stubbornness and ineptitude warrant him being DONE.

When things have reached the point where Al, RU's very own super fan, is chastising a Rutgers HC for his ludicrous decision making, it's clear to anyone who follows Scarlet Knights sports in even the most casual way that said coach is not only teetering on the edge of the abyss, he's doing it with a blindfold on and the bottoms of his shoes greased.
 
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Slyker must be Flood...

I always suspected he followed this board
 
"Per NJ.com a few minutes ago, Flood sticking with Laviano!"

Certainly cant argue with this. As stated before... Under equal circumstances, Rettig has done nothing more than Laviano to supplant him as the starter. 4Q yesterday against the starters, two series... two three and outs. 1 for 5 for two yards. If he won it in camp based on many hours of practice reps that none of you have seen.... he has done nothing more against the starters to warrant making the switch. The philosophy Flood and many other coaches have stated is that the coach doesn't want the QB starter looking over his shoulder. Deal with it. Flood has no responsibility to let the fans see for themselves why he chose Laviano. He is responsible for getting his team as ready as it can be, and his staff fells CL is the man. If Rettig had moved the team, or looked good against the starting D of Wisky then maybe you can start thinking about it. And the self sack on the last drive ?? Wow. Not sure what to make of that. Will take a lot more to get him on the field than a few well thrown bombs against the third string D, with little pressure on him. Certainly shouldn't use that as any justification, because we have not seen Laviano in the same circumstance. He may be able to do the same thing. Maybe CL throws a 45 yard bomb instead of a Fifty that Rettig can ... does it really make that much difference if other aspects of his game are superior? The incessant whining over this is rediculous. The coach has stated his policy, Rettig has done nothing against the equal "D", Laviano is still the starter. DONE

You are right....we don't see any of the practices

But the people who do dId rettig outplayed laviano this summer

And we have the following against the top half of the big ten abd a top half of the PAC-12 team
20 pts against Washington state
3 pts against penn state
24 pts against Michigan state
7 pts against Ohio state
3 pts against Wisconsin

57 pts in 5 games played Against top 40 teams or better ...11.4 per game

We have a decent running game that has no chance without a passing game

We need to try the other Qb to improve our productivity on offense or we have no shot
 
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