Flood RUINED this season when he chose Laviano
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09---but the quotes aren't clever. Nothing he does is clever. Is stupid. ("I'm sending this from my personal e-mail so I don't get caught" kind of stupid).
"It's heavy rain so I'll wear this visor" kind of stupid.
"It's heavy rain so I'll wear this visor" kind of stupid.
DONE!? Only in your mind! Are you Lavianos, best friend, girl friend, parent, nah buddy you are just a misinformed dude, who knows nothing about football or evaluating talent. Any coach worth his CYO standing would at the very least be curious at how the 2nd stringer would do if he actually prepared to start a game against the other teams 1st string. He knows what his 1st stringer can do against real competition(nothing)! So, all people here are saying is, what any "normal" person would, lets see what HR can do when he actually prepares and starts a game. This team has nothing to lose! The ONLY reason Flood refuses to do this, is because he might be proven wrong. Anyone that is not emotionally involved, or alumnus will tell you the same thing.
Furthermore, if you knew anything about QB play, you would also realize what Flood doesn't seem to get, Laviano has hit his ceiling(what you see is what you get), game manager at best, backup at best. Starter at Kean University, Montclair State, maybe even Syracuse, sure... but a Division I QB......NO!
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That is an old argument that just doesn't hold water anymore Trap. Thirty years ago, maybe. But, the landscape of college football has changed considerably. We have MAC teams beating Div. I opponents, we have teams like Houston, Western Kentucky and the like, which are coached by people who have dedicated their lives to the sport, who have experience, understand the game, and are flexable enough to make changes when warranted. Temple, has coach who just lost their first game against a decent Notre Dame team. Prior to that game they were undefeated, with wins against teams like Penn State. According to some people he is making around $500,000./YR.
They are out there. And, regardless what anyone say's Rutgers is a very attractive place to build a program, as well as a reputation. We might not be a "destination" program, but we could be.
But, until we get rid of the old girlfriend, we will never know how attractive we are.
Time to get rid of the Math teacher.
It's nice when you think you know something but everything you state is baseless
Would a coach be curious to see how the backup performs in a starting role ? Yes.. Curious
However why would we, as fans, want the coach to conduct an experiment on the field when the Coaching Staff may know that from thousands of snaps of practice time, the current starter is significantly better than the backup. And yes, none of us has seen any of those reps so we cannot make any judgement about that. And don't tell me Flood says they were neck and neck coming out of camp - likely just coach-speak to keep both QB's working hard and as not to discourage either one. And yes, our coach does have information that Laviano is not moving the team well against top flight Defenses. But now after the first two series in the 4th Quarter he also now knows how the backup fares against top flight defenses. 1 for 5 passing for two total yards. No first downs. Two three and outs. Not any better. He also knows the backup can complete a long pass against the third string defense of Wisconsin. He Doesn't know how Laviano can do against the third string defense of Wisconsin. He didn't have that opportunity. (although I could argue the Wash State and Indiana first string Defenses were on par or better than the 3rd string Wisconsin Defense... and he seemed to move the team pretty well in those situations.
If the staff coaching the team I root for has all this information, much of which we fans now knothing about, and made a decision to start a QB who has shown no evidence in relevant situations in which he performs better than the starter.... I would be really pissed if they conducted an experiment in a game to play the backup. Especially if it were just to satisfy the curiosity of the the Monday morning Quarterbacks who know nothing about most of the information available to make this decision.
"The only reason he refuses to do this is because he does not want to be proven wrong." Did Kyle Flood tell you this? Did someone else you know, who knows Flood, tell you that Flood told him this? Can you read minds? Was it published in the media? If the answer is no to the above questions then your totally baseless comment is your completely uniformed and useless opinion.
And "Flood doesn't realize that Laviano has hit the ceiling, game manager at best backup at best"
Wow, quite the brilliant assessment ...Flood doesn't realize that you can tell a young QB has hit the ceiling of his career development with half a season of experience ?
With that type of thinking and talent assessment, Nova would have been benched in his first year as well. And if I remember correctly he now sits at the top or near the top of the RU record books for many RU passing records.
Slyker... Your missing the big picture. It's not about who starts at qb. It's about a coach who plays for FGs in blowout losses. It's about a coach who has absolutely no charisma and cant recruit B1G talent. It's about a coach who wasn't qualified in the first place, and the off field stuff is just as unacceptable.
It is hard to see how a new coach, hired via a real vetting process, could possibly be any worse.
It is hard to see how a new coach, hired via a real vetting process, could possibly be any worse.
Slyker, without quoting that book you wrote, I'm just going to say this to you, the premise that you allude to is one of the "coaches know better." MY premise is that THEY DON'T! They in my eyes are incompetent, with little to no qualifications to be in the position they are in. What ever evaluation they make during practice is useless. I don't even listen to Floods post or pregame talking points, because of the source. The game is all that matters! If the team does not perform on game day, it's either lack of talent, or poor preparation. Both are on the coaches. Lack of talents alludes to poor recruiting, or inability to "coach up." Poor preparation, well that should speak to itself. Once you understand that simple fact, then maybe your perspective will change.
But, I doubt it. Continue making excuses, or spinning the obvious. RU fans are good at it, we have plenty of practice, over 150 years.
But, I doubt it. Continue making excuses, or spinning the obvious. RU fans are good at it, we have plenty of practice, over 150 years.
Rettig first two series against Wisconsin were with the backup offense. Laviano performed like he did with the starters. Rettig did not get that opportunity. Rettig came in with the second team. Our second team cannot move the ball on our defense how did you expect them to perform against the #8 defense in CFB. Better yet, how would Laviano perform with the second team offense against Wisconsin. He threw for 31 yards in 3 qtrs with our starters.
Thanks for your input Mrs Flood. It's greatly appreciated! [thumb2]
Will Kyle be well rested for today's game week press conference, or was he up late last night finishing up player assignments?
thanks
- Concerned Rutgers fan
All people who get torched here on a regular basis for not knowing sh*t. Can't have it both ways.
Deren, Dunleavy and TOS do not get torched here. Nice try though. People torch the Ledger guys for seeming to have an agenda to hurt our program.
BTW, Ryan Hart our former QB has been calling for Rettig since the summer.
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Isn't it a little strong to say that the choice of Laviano ruined the season? After all, there are lots of things wrong with this team, e.g. offensive line, e.g. defense. I don't know if Rettig would really be better -- one completion in the dying moments of a blow-out isn't much of a proof -- but I'm not sure it would make any difference. After all, when your defense gives up 149 points in three weeks, isn't it a little odd to say that the QB is the big problem?
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Al and I talked in the Scarlet Lot right before the WSU game. We both beyond disappointed that Rettig wasn't the starter so Al's thoughts on this aren't new and he is not piling on. This goes back to the start of the season.
I agree if the implication is Laviano ruined the season. Laviano has not ruined anything. That is unfair to say about one of players who is giving it his all.
However, if the implication is Flood ruined the season by going with Laviano, it might have some merit from this perspective: Laviano's skill set led our staff to tailor the offense to his strengths...ball control featuring RB, short underneath passing, win TOP and keep the defense off the field.
This summer there were several writers who felt with our defensive situation, that strategy would not be effective and thought Rettig should be the guy and the offense tailored around some of his strengths. I have no doubt that the coach's believe that with their offensive philosophy and plan Laviano is the guy and gives us a better chance. Within that current game plan for our offense, it is hard not to agree. My issue is knowing our defense, our plan was destined to fail and how could the coaches not see that this was coming. Teams have now adjusted and are daring us to beat them with a deep passing game. We have none, especially without Carroo.
I think it was @Scarlet Shack who mentioned that he believes our staff went into the season planning for Laviano as the guy and tailored our training camp around that game plan. I agree with his thoughts. Again, what do you do when your plan is an obvious failure? Do you change mid stream or do you just ride it out and hope for a miracle. We seem to be doing the latter and our fans see that we have no hope on offense against good defenses and are looking for some kind of adjustment or new plan to beat what defenses have figured out. Wisconsin executed the perfect strategy and we had no counter to it because what it requires is not possible from our QB.
I could "give it my all", still doesn't mean I should start. Face it Laviano should be on the bench and Rettig, who also gives it his all, should be starting
Flood is incompetent as a coach because he is a poor leader. A great leader is humble enough to see beyond his preconceived notions and see the capabilities of his players as they are not as he thinks they are. Flood's leadership IQ is close to 0.
Because the team is so poorly led, it is way under-performing. Thus the good news is that the next coach can turn things around simply by being a better leader and using his talent more effectively.
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Can we change the title of the thread??? understood, people are not please with Laviano as a choice, ... but seriously, he is a kid who is trying his best. Get on flood, but it sounds like Laviano is the sole reason the season is bad, and that is just not the case. It is a combination of things, most importantly Flood. I don't like to bash players, question their tactics and skills tastefully... but that title is just wrong. Sorry .. but I am sure he and other players read this board.
With apologies to LBJ, if Flood has lost RutgersAl, he's lost Scarlet Nation.
How is any pro style going to work when the qb can't reach his wr's? at least rettigs ball will give a chance to the receiver to make a play.
Our pro style is rushing first. It needs the rushing game to work to open up the passing game. Our rushing game almost always gets shut down against good teams in case you haven't noticed, which leaves the qb throwing constantly under circumstances where it's obvious even to someone's mom who was dragged along to the game but doesn't know the difference between a touchdown and a home run.
I enjoyed watching Rettig at the Norfolk State game. I thought that he was a D-1 QB and was at least looking the part of a decent QB.
Then, all of a sudden it is Laviano. And I am thinking "did Rettig get hurt? Suspended? Accused of something?"
WTF happened?
I guess both are decent enough QB's. I dunno, I have been watching Brandon Allen at Arkansas struggle for 3 years now. He has had 1 great game in 27 starts so far.
IMO, it is NOT the QB play, it IS the offensive line play! Our offensive tackles are horrible. They are slow footed. As a result, they have a very difficult job versus half way decent defensive ends in pass protection and even struggle in the running game.
Improve the OT position, and I think we will find a good QB as a result.
Then, all of a sudden it is Laviano. And I am thinking "did Rettig get hurt? Suspended? Accused of something?"
WTF happened?
I guess both are decent enough QB's. I dunno, I have been watching Brandon Allen at Arkansas struggle for 3 years now. He has had 1 great game in 27 starts so far.
IMO, it is NOT the QB play, it IS the offensive line play! Our offensive tackles are horrible. They are slow footed. As a result, they have a very difficult job versus half way decent defensive ends in pass protection and even struggle in the running game.
Improve the OT position, and I think we will find a good QB as a result.
There is NO doubt in my mind that IF we had to pay the same salary (which won't necessarily be the case) we can find someone who is more competent in both the coaching, and recruiting, games. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND.
MY GAWD guys....the kids basically a freshman ''CL'' in the toughest position....let him develop a little...whats the rest of the teams excuse.
HR is also "basically a freshman" who has a bigger arsenal to play the "toughest position" on the field. A kid who was promised a fair and unbiased competition, when deciding to transfer from LSU. Yet, after a very respectable and productive debut, he is relegated to sit and watch. Any assertion that he lacks knowledge of the playbook, is pure crap! Especially, after witnessing the vanilla offense that is being portrayed by the RU Offense. Geez, Nicky you could turn around and hand off the ball 75% of the time, and you probably wouldn't drop the exchange from center while doing it!
The difference is that one has a higher ceiling than the other, and if anyone needs the opportunity to develop, its HR! As far as the rest of the team, it's amazing what a QB who can score points from anywhere on the field can do for moral, and performance.
what happened is HCKF has a very close relationship with CL and the High School both attended is the only thing I can figure...promises must have been made whilst recruiting CL.
The argument that no QB would do any better is EXACTLY the reason people want to see how Rettig would do if given the chance - a chance to start or at least to start a second half.
I really can't imagine a good coach not giving Rettig a chance to start the second half in one of the blow out games. Flood basically proved he refuses to give Rettig a chance - for whatever reason - when he waits until we are down by 40 in the final ten minutes before even considering a change.
I really can't imagine a good coach not giving Rettig a chance to start the second half in one of the blow out games. Flood basically proved he refuses to give Rettig a chance - for whatever reason - when he waits until we are down by 40 in the final ten minutes before even considering a change.
Good prostyle offenses can take whatever the defense gives them, whether it's running to setup the pass or passing to setup the run. We can do neither well because no one respects the starters arm. It's reminds me of playing Tecmo bowl defenses that always work.
If Ray Lucas could be replaced by Rob Higgins, then CL could be replaced by HR. The kid has had 2 years plus 8 games to develop. Let HR get his shot. If HR doesn't have it, then put CL back in. I just don't see why CL is untouchable, no matter how bad he plays.
What's happened is the better teams have loaded the box with 8 man fronts that have stymied the running game and taken away Laviano's short passing/ higher completion passing game. Net result an ineffective offense. I don't understand why Flood is unwilling to give Rettig an opportunity to show his stuff and see what he can do against a stellar defense. In fairness to Laviano , he has played well when Rutgers is able to consistently move the ball but when they can't, he's totally ineffective.
Truthfully i don't know why their not letting him''HR'' display his wares either ...HCKF can't be so stupid as to not give us our best chance to win and evolve...is he afraid that putting HR in he will do so well it would demand a permanent change...I don't know...but those closest to the program do...i'm as puzzled as everyone else on the outside. After the next 2 games i think i'll have a better idea of where i stand.Right now HCKF obviously thinks CL has more growth potential though I'm not saying i agree. Its his job and rep thats at stake here.
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