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Flood said he will not give Rettig a series in the first half because it impacts Laviano's learning

Haha you "fans" and monday morning quarterbacks dont realize how silly you look...people that do things like call out the coach on an internet message board are the joke...a false sense of entitlement because you are a fan? do u really think he is reading that nonsense?


And ur 2nd paragraph about "Maybe it's that your lack of football knowledge and coaching ability will be even further exposed and it will hurt your pride if you turn out to be wrong."

Should really be directed at yourself...seriously what is your football knowledge...youre attacking guys that do more x's and o's in a day than u do in a year...

Its not just Flood but McDaniels and also Friedgens input...if they thought Rettig was the better qb he would be in there, he is not soo get over it...Rutgers fans are delusional and awful...i hope for the shitty attitude on this board sake that Flood is here next year and Laviano is the starter so half of you go away

I'll accept the argument that CL may be the best option to date, and when Caroo is in and healthy they have a great rhythm, but what if CL breaks a leg next week or the week after?

The backup, esp.with someone with the skills that HR has, and esp. with someone who brings a different dimension to the game needs the reps and learning as well.

One or two series in the 1st half or 3rdQ with Caroo as one of the multiple options is a ,must. HR may be around for a while and you never know when he's going to need to lead the team. He needs to get reps, esp. since the competition over the summer was supposedly so close.
 
Rettig might as well get fitted now for his "MisterSex" jersey.


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Can someone confirm that flood actually made that statement. Is there a source. TIA.
 
Its so frustrating being a Rutgers fan with Flood as the head coach. What comes out of his mouth in his own defense of the QB management defies logic and experience. The guy is truly mind-boggling. Surely he realizes that so many football purists, observers and knowledgeable fans are mocking him over this.
 
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Haha you "fans" and monday morning quarterbacks dont realize how silly you look...people that do things like call out the coach on an internet message board are the joke...a false sense of entitlement because you are a fan? do u really think he is reading that nonsense?


And ur 2nd paragraph about "Maybe it's that your lack of football knowledge and coaching ability will be even further exposed and it will hurt your pride if you turn out to be wrong."

Should really be directed at yourself...seriously what is your football knowledge...youre attacking guys that do more x's and o's in a day than u do in a year...

Its not just Flood but McDaniels and also Friedgens input...if they thought Rettig was the better qb he would be in there, he is not soo get over it...Rutgers fans are delusional and awful...i hope for the shitty attitude on this board sake that Flood is here next year and Laviano is the starter so half of you go away

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This is what you get when a career OLine coach is given the keys to a Cadillac.

He wraps the f'er around a telephone pole.

HOLY CHRIST GOD F'in D*MNIT
 
And we have a freshman QB Dare who would have been the highest ranked player in the 2015 class if not for the last minute addition of Ford.

With Russo coming on board next year, what is going to happen to their development?

They must be looking at what is going on with Rettig?
 
100% wrong. Flood told Prince to keep Nova on the field for Kent. That's way Prince left. Flood is as big a control freak as Schiano without the success
There's nothing wrong with a HC being a control freak, sometimes a programs HC being that makes the program great.
But if that HC isn't making the program better he deserves to be booted out.
Plain and simple,Flood needs to go and that comes from someone who supported him the beginning of this year.
 
Laviano could learn a great deal watching a couple series from the sideline. Ask JT Barrett he made that statement prior to the Rutgers start. He learned more from watching on the sideline than he did from playing in support
You can't have it both ways. What you're arguing then is Rettig is learning more watching from the sideline than getting in a series or two.
 
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agree...I notice posters fall back on this argument when they cant counter someone elses point so they use it as the last resort. its so ridiculous because it basically says that no one can have an opinion about any job they never had.


People are not saying you cant have an opinion... they are just pointing out that these opinions are totally baseless and should be considered without any merit since there is so much information about the abilities of both QB's that only those close to the program have. Anyone expressing an opinion on the matter is based on such a minuscule amount of information that it should be totally discounted
 
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People are not saying you cant have an opinion... they are just pointing out that these opinions are totally baseless and should be considered without any merit since there is so much information about the abilities of both QB's that only those close to the program have. Anyone expressing an opinion on the matter is based on such a minuscule amount of information that it should be totally discounted
Amen.
 
People are not saying you cant have an opinion... they are just pointing out that these opinions are totally baseless and should be considered without any merit since there is so much information about the abilities of both QB's that only those close to the program have. Anyone expressing an opinion on the matter is based on such a minuscule amount of information that it should be totally discounted

No doubt, but this is what message boards are for, right? I mean it would be pretty boring if we ONLY posted stats, recipes, and half-naked women, right? :cool2:
 
Haha you "fans" and monday morning quarterbacks dont realize how silly you look...people that do things like call out the coach on an internet message board are the joke...a false sense of entitlement because you are a fan? do u really think he is reading that nonsense?


And ur 2nd paragraph about "Maybe it's that your lack of football knowledge and coaching ability will be even further exposed and it will hurt your pride if you turn out to be wrong."

Should really be directed at yourself...seriously what is your football knowledge...youre attacking guys that do more x's and o's in a day than u do in a year...

Its not just Flood but McDaniels and also Friedgens input...if they thought Rettig was the better qb he would be in there, he is not soo get over it...Rutgers fans are delusional and awful...i hope for the shitty attitude on this board sake that Flood is here next year and Laviano is the starter so half of you go away

Some people just get sucked in by stupidity. Unfortunately, we have many of them in our fanbase.
 
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"You can't have it both ways. What you're arguing then is Rettig is learning more watching from the sideline than getting in a series or two."

He's not trying to have it both ways. You sound like Flood defending himself. If Rettig never sees the field, how is he supposed to prove he's learned something from the sideline? Meanwhile, Laviano never leaves the field. Maybe taking a series or two off and watching would help him. But we won't know until it happens.

Rettig came in for two series yesterday. In one, he led RU to its only touchdown. It's kind of hard to argue that he wasn't effective. Oh yeah, that was against the backups. That's the ONLY excuse people can come up with. Fact is we saw Rettig's arm as strong as advertised -- something sorely missing from our gameplan this season. As others have pointed out, the short passes Laviano throws are better suited in a West Coast offense not the type of offense we're supposedly running...
 
I don't think the guy is bad. I just don't think he's our best option.

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THAT IS IT IN A NUTSHELL RE LAVIANO. END OF STORY.

Posters here want to make it that if you want to see what retting can do on a sub 500 team that you are knocking Laviano. That's not it at all. CL is not bad.

BUUUUT we need more than not bad with the makeup of this team. We need a difference maker. In what I've seen in very small doses, there appears to be one here that needs nurturing and developing. That is the point. Would have loved to see Retting with 7 games under his belt. Laviano gets marginally better at managing the game each week.

And when did completion % become so important?? I must have missed that paradigm shift. Give me big plays and stretching the filed to let the runners have space any day over 70% dink and dunk and low wins and points.
 
No doubt, but this is what message boards are for, right? I mean it would be pretty boring if we ONLY posted stats, recipes, and half-naked women, right? :cool2:

You Jusat had a brilliant suggestion....Maybe people should stick to stats & naked women,, rather than be critical of decisions and players when probably 98% or more of the available information about the ability two QB's only reside with those close to the program
 
Does anyone have video or a quote from Flood? Herbie said this on the broadcast that someone from RU (assuming Flood) said that practice is ok, but for a QB to really get better in this offense, they have to play games.

If so, then how can he make a determination on games, while giving Rettig no time? Especially after his first half performance against NSU with no Carroo? It makes no sense.

I would like to know who said this exactly.

Flood said it in the press conference
 
If that statement was made, it truly is absolutely amazing, (and not in a positive way).

What if Laviano gets hurt? That kind of thing does happen to football players. Wouldn't it be to the team's benefit for our backup to get at least a bit of consistent quality game time under his belt just in case?? -Not doing that simply makes no sense.

And in addition, if Flood is saying our current starting QB is so desperately in need of every single rep he can get simply to keep learning, and also honestly believes that Laviano's watching for at least a series each game couldn't possibly be of any value in that regard as well, then Good God Almighty, that is truly frightening.
 
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Rewatched the first quarter of the OSU game.

It's actually plain as day why Flood is sticking with Laviano: he's playing the QB that gives us the best chance of winning.

While Rettig appears to have a stronger arm, the line is not currently B1G caliber. At least not against the big boys. In the first quarter alone, you'll see whiffed blocks, missed double teams, and an overall lack of functional strength.

Rettig would be destroyed behind this line. Laviano's mobility gives him a puncher's chance against an elite pass rush. Watch the tape and see for yourself how many times he was flushed and forced to improvise. Rettig would have been roadkill.
 
You can't have it both ways. What you're arguing then is Rettig is learning more watching from the sideline than getting in a series or two.
Have you ever played a sport? When you are not playing up to your potential or the action is happening to fast, not picking up the reads etc... Time on the bench can be beneficial to see game action from a different perspective. Not trying to have it both ways.
 
Rewatched the first quarter of the OSU game.

It's actually plain as day why Flood is sticking with Laviano: he's playing the QB that gives us the best chance of winning.

While Rettig appears to have a stronger arm, the line is not currently B1G caliber. At least not against the big boys. In the first quarter alone, you'll see whiffed blocks, missed double teams, and an overall lack of functional general lack of strength
How can you form that opinion watching the first quarter of the game? Did rettig get a chance under those same circumstances? Not saying that Laviano is the sole reason for the losses but he is part of the problem.
 
Rewatched the first quarter of the OSU game.

It's actually plain as day why Flood is sticking with Laviano: he's playing the QB that gives us the best chance of winning.

While Rettig appears to have a stronger arm, the line is not currently B1G caliber. At least not against the big boys. In the first quarter alone, you'll see whiffed blocks, missed double teams, and an overall lack of functional strength.

Rettig would be destroyed behind this line. Laviano's mobility gives him a puncher's chance against an elite pass rush. Watch the tape and see for yourself how many times he was flushed and forced to improvise. Rettig would have been roadkill.

Right... because that's exactly what we've seen right? Oh yeah, we haven't seen it because he hasn't played. There's just this idea that Laviano is extremely mobile and Rettig isn't. Yet, Laviano finds his way to take a couple of crushingly long sacks each game despite being so mobile.

You do realize that if fans ever saw Rettig fail on the field the way you suggest, this argument would likely be moot right?
 
Rewatch the first quarter for yourself. Laviano was under constant pressure, even on his completions. He was literally running for his life half the time. I can't see Rettig lasting too long under those conditions.

See for yourself. And folks here can attest that I've been (and still am) a Rettig guy all along.
 
Are we not allowed to question play calls, either, as the coaches have a better understanding of our playbook than anyone on this message board does?

Give Rettig a series in the first half - maybe the 3rd possession or something. SEE WHAT HAPPENS. If he does not move the ball with the first team offense, then those of us calling for him to get a shot will know. What's the harm? We are major road dogs this week. Will giving Rettig one series in the first half set back Laviano's development so much? C'mon, man.
 
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I'm not saying Rettig should start. I'm saying Rettig should get one or two meaningful series' a game so that he gains experience. It won't take much for Laviano to go down during big ten play. At that point you need a backup with experience. It's just a stupid, shortsighted stance to take. Taking one or two series away from Laviano is not going to adversely affect his development. On the flip side it will boost Rettig's development.
So you want to fire Flood because he won't follow your advice to give the backup two meaningful series a game? Seriously? Rettig had his chance to earn the spot and by all accounts he wasn't prepared. He can try again next year or the year after that. If he's better he will play. With all the pressure Flood and McDaniels are under, you really think they would stubbornly not play the better player? You all crucified him because you believe he broke the rules to get a starter eligible. Does he want to win or not? How bad must Rettig be in terms of preparation and recognition if all you QB geniuses are right and his arm strength is light years better?
 
So you want to fire Flood because he won't follow your advice to give the backup two meaningful series a game? Seriously? Rettig had his chance to earn the spot and by all accounts he wasn't prepared. He can try again next year or the year after that. If he's better he will play. With all the pressure Flood and McDaniels are under, you really think they would stubbornly not play the better player? You all crucified him because you believe he broke the rules to get a starter eligible. Does he want to win or not? How bad must Rettig be in terms of preparation and recognition if all you QB geniuses are right and his arm strength is light years better?
vascosg, I agree. It's that S--I--M--P--L--E.
 
Rettig had his chance to earn the spot and by all accounts he wasn't prepared///

Says who---Message board urban legend creators?

And assume he wasn't, how does one with natural talents get better--they PLAY and get better command of the O. That's what coaching does-play to the players strengths, and not fit square pegs in round holes.

While we don't have a Cam Newtown, you think he "WAS READY" to play the first game at Auburn???? No the coaches played to the strength of what they had. Jeesh such repition of nonsense.
 
How can you form that opinion watching the first quarter of the game? Did rettig get a chance under those same circumstances? Not saying that Laviano is the sole reason for the losses but he is part of the problem.

Right... because that's exactly what we've seen right? Oh yeah, we haven't seen it because he hasn't played. There's just this idea that Laviano is extremely mobile and Rettig isn't. Yet, Laviano finds his way to take a couple of crushingly long sacks each game despite being so mobile.

You do realize that if fans ever saw Rettig fail on the field the way you suggest, this argument would likely be moot right?

Agree. How can a viable opinion of what Rettig can or can't do be formed when he hasn't been given a genuine opportunity to show what he's capable of in a game? -Watching what one guy does doesn't prove what your other option might be able to do if given a real chance in the same type of situation.
 
Funny you say Friedgen. The role Friedgen was supposed to fill as advisor never materialized. He was on campus a total of 3 times this summer and never took on the added responsibility of day to day advisor. He has tremendous knowledge but is not making decisions and is not involved in game planning as originally planned.

He never was going to be day to day advisor.
 
Right... because that's exactly what we've seen right? Oh yeah, we haven't seen it because he hasn't played. There's just this idea that Laviano is extremely mobile and Rettig isn't. Yet, Laviano finds his way to take a couple of crushingly long sacks each game despite being so mobile.

You do realize that if fans ever saw Rettig fail on the field the way you suggest, this argument would likely be moot right?


You (we) havent seen it but I am certain the coaching staff has seen situations like this in practice and they know what Rettig can do in those situations. Perhaps he cant evade the rush and throws picks constantly. but we dont know and we dont have to know. And so what if he got in teh Field and then teh argument would become moot. If the coaches know that rettig cannot handle pressure and they put him in the game to satisfy fans,,, and then failed.... the coaching staff would get crucified.

Bottom line is tthe coaches know what he does under heavy pressure... none of us do. And the coaches have no responsibility to put rettig out there to see what he sees in practice
 
Haha you "fans" and monday morning quarterbacks dont realize how silly you look...people that do things like call out the coach on an internet message board are the joke...a false sense of entitlement because you are a fan? do u really think he is reading that nonsense?


And ur 2nd paragraph about "Maybe it's that your lack of football knowledge and coaching ability will be even further exposed and it will hurt your pride if you turn out to be wrong."

Should really be directed at yourself...seriously what is your football knowledge...youre attacking guys that do more x's and o's in a day than u do in a year...

Its not just Flood but McDaniels and also Friedgens input...if they thought Rettig was the better qb he would be in there, he is not soo get over it...Rutgers fans are delusional and awful...i hope for the shitty attitude on this board sake that Flood is here next year and Laviano is the starter so half of you go away
Look what the cat dragged in....
 
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Agree. How can a viable opinion of what Rettig can or can't do be formed when he hasn't been given a genuine opportunity to show what he's capable of in a game? -Watching what one guy does doesn't prove what your other option might be able to do if given a real chance in the same type of situation.



These game situations can be simulated in practice..... and I'm sure they have been... and I'm sure they know what Rettig can do in those circumstances. No reason to put him in the game so fans can come to their own conclusions. That is what the coaching staff is paid to do
 
You (we) havent seen it but I am certain the coaching staff has seen situations like this in practice and they know what Rettig can do in those situations. Perhaps he cant evade the rush and throws picks constantly. but we dont know and we dont have to know. And so what if he got in teh Field and then teh argument would become moot. If the coaches know that rettig cannot handle pressure and they put him in the game to satisfy fans,,, and then failed.... the coaching staff would get crucified.

Bottom line is tthe coaches know what he does under heavy pressure... none of us do. And the coaches have no responsibility to put rettig out there to see what he sees in practice
This coaching staff knows how to get their asses kicked, that's about it.
 
These game situations can be simulated in practice..... and I'm sure they have been... and I'm sure they know what Rettig can do in those circumstances. No reason to put him in the game so fans can come to their own conclusions. That is what the coaching staff is paid to do

Right. And, of course, this coaching staff has shown time and again it's made up of people who know exactly what they're doing. ...Okay, sure.

Guess we'll simply have to agree to completely disagree on this one.
 
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I have said it before and I will say it again, sometimes the coaches get it wrong like when the fans were scratching their heads when Parcells thought Scott Brunner was the better QB over Phil Simms. Similar now but worse...
 
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