I use to think KF was a 10 as a person and a 3 as a game day coach, but now since the Barnwell debacle and the poor play, on the field, I think both of those numbers have taken a big hit. It is time for a change.
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Let's hope so. And let's hope they find a solution to the kickoffs that end up out of bounds every week.
The only good thing about never scoring is that I don't have to see the ensuing kick-off end up out of bounds.
If we can trick them to come out, we can then burn them at the stake like witches. They're very tricky when they go back and forth on Flood.
Yes, we can intelligent discuss the fact that things are not going well and that our coaching is clearly sub-par. And we can voice our opinions about the football specifics (e.g. which QB is starting).
But while we can do all those things, what we cannot do is claim that we know more than Flood about football just because we don't like the choices he made. That's what Bac seemed to be saying and that's what I was refuting.
I will support the team until the end. I am expressing my frustration with Flood's post game presser comments in another thread, but I prefer to not vent and bash on a fan message board. Yesterday was ridiculously bad, and the reaction by Flood was worse.
I will go back and watch the whole presser, but the best thing he could have done is stood up at the beginning and said that his team got whooped, and he is responsible and takes ownership. He could have said that this was true in all phases of the game and that he and the coaches will work to fix the errors that should not be happening at this point in the season. His response on why he did not put Rettig in sooner was priceless.
It would not surprise me if Rutgers gets crushed by Michigan and manages to win 2/3 or 3/3 of the last games, and he will not get fired. I will re-evaluate my level of giving come season ticket renewal time, but I will likely decrease, and not increase my donation if the administration does not take action.
I don't disagree. I'm not trying to claim that the coaching has been good and, generally speaking, I lay lots of the blame for that stuff at the feet of the coaching staff. But again, read the post that I responded to to understand why I said what I said.
Agreed. However, Bac's statement was analogous to saying that because there's a giant tape worm in some sushi, that any of us can prepare sushi better than a sushi chef. Which is clearly not a logical conclusion.
You guys are taking my comments out of the context of Bac's comment that I responded to. Just because we can make intelligent observations about someone who isn't doing a good job doesn't mean that we can do a better job. Bac's statement basically stated that we *could* do a better job.
Our special teams play has been getting worse over the course of the season. As Cali says, I'm sure the coaching staff recognizes this. But right now, it sure appears like they can't figure out how to correct the problem. Or the problem w/Laviano and the center mishandling snaps in each game. Or many other problems.
This post is similar to what children do to bully their friends. Lots of you going on about firing him after the kids commit. Model citizens the lot of you. I hope you all feel better. I hope you all don't cry too much when Flood does come back next year. Let the grown ups handle this.
I will actually be somewhat surprised if he's not back next season. I would love to see us hire a really good, really experienced coach with a winning record against great competition. I'm less sold on the idea of just replacing Flood because he's not very good w/some other coach that may turn out to be not very good.
But regardless of what any of us feel about it, the question is really what will the administration do. I'm not convinced that they will act just yet. We'll see soon enough, I guess.
Fire him now...won't affect the loss of recruits anymore than recruits changing their commitments weeks from now because of the poor record and coaching.
Can someone please help me understand something: If Schiano was still our coach, he would be making $2.5M - $3.0M per year, much more than Flood. We are now in the BIG, yes, not getting full share but we are getting much more than if we were still in the AAC. If we are making more money in the BIG and were able to pay Schiano 2.5x - 3x more than we pay Flood, please help me understand why we don't have money?
In the days after the masterful come back win against the big ten's historically least - accomplished program I saw plenty of giddy fans showing confidence in fudd. They swarm out every time we narrowly beat a cupcake
and then what? hire another under-paid coach, but probably one that doesn't understand NJ high school recruiting or NJ politics or RU administrative ineptitude. One that isn't qualified or only sees RU as a stepping stone to the next job? In a year with more HC openings then any other time in NCAAF history, you expect Julie Herman to find the next Chris Peterson or Urban Meyers?
you guys crack me up... lot of complaining, but no real (or realistic) plan. "fire that guy, get a better guy"...
you guys crack me up... lot of complaining, but no real (or realistic) plan. "fire that guy, get a better guy"...
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Correct me if I'm wrong Vascosg.
Your position is you don't make the decision on whether to fire Flood, so you offer no opinion on the matter.
And if you do offer a negative opinion on the current coaching, because that person is not involved in the decision making process, that person is a cry baby...
Is that about right?
So you're saying you would rather have a coach with no ambition to go higher and who is in no danger of being poached by a richer program than a great coach who will view rutgers as a stepping stone but at least win something and advance the reputation of the program? Duly noted. You've already got that. And I assume you're happy with it.
As sad as it is, this is not the case at all. There are quite a few on here who support the coach at all costs - no matter who he is - until the next guy is in. They will make up whatever argument is needed to support the status quo.
LOL. The thing is it's (burning at the stake) true. Never understood why some feel the need to act that way but whatever.
This is one of the sadder parts for me. I was proud of how our special teams units were almost always an advantage over our opponents: threats to block kicks and punts, good coverage units, and decent kicking and punting at worst. One of my favorite GIFs is Marrone's reaction ("Every f***ing time!") after another blocked kick against Syracuse. Now? Grant had a career day against WSU and we blocked one kick a few games back, but overall...
Yes, except his boss has been neutered. Based on John O's write-up, it does not appear that she has the authority to make a change.
It just means Elmer Fludd 's put his reverse midas touch on every part of the program. He killed our recruiting, then he killed our defense, then he killed our reputation for a clean program devoid of criminals . Our offense as always sucked, so the last thing left to ruin was special teams.
1) we ALL "support the team" until the end (unless you're a complete douche bag...)
2) I'm very, very worried about Maryland and Nebraska. Nebraska played very well against Wiscy - could have won - lost 2 games on hail mary's and 4 games, total, on the final drive. Maryland had NO problem, whatsoever, moving the ball on 2 D's that we couldn't do a damn thing against: PSU and OSU.
3) Agree, this guy needs to be upfront and hones, just for once, and stop with the bullshit.
Got it, thx. Than it's just a moot point on wishing to replace Flood, he's not going anywhere as much as we want to change, no money.
On the contrary. He is certainly a goner.
Who he is replaced with is the program defining challenge.
No, I'm saying Rutgers is unlike most other NCAAF D1 coaching positions. It's harder to fill, harder to win, harder to be successful, easier to set back years (or decades). Firing Flood is easy - what might happen next is hard.
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I'm pretty sure the "Flood is a 10" as a "guy" thing was a myth perpetuated, and grown, on the boards. A couple of people said it - and everyone believed it - despite "rumors" about off-the-field crap from 2 years ago (and then we saw it, "live," this year...). The things he does, community service-wise, are great, but things most coaches, of most teams, nationally, do on a yearly basis. Why? Well, because scolarship student-athletes are "required" to put in, IIRC (I ran a few of the programs for RU athletics one year...), 2 community service hours/year, hence, their coaches tend to do so as well. Not that he/they wouldn't do them, on their own, just pointing something out that may not be very well known to the general public.
No, I am a solid supporter for flood. He deserves one more year. Next year, with a full team of returning starters and a weaker schedule, he has no excuses. The new president will have time to line up the donors and lure in the right man if flood fails. i don't like watching our team getting their asses handed to them surrounded by visiting fans in the season ticket section either. It is embarrassing. however, flood didn't sell his tickets, flood didn't commit those crimes or cause those injuries, flood isn't calling the plays but he is accountable for it all. Could we justify firing him this year - probably. Is it the right thing to do - no.
Next year's schedule is NOT weaker. It could end up being, sure, but as of today I would say it's either as difficult or, if Michigan and Iowa keep improving - as they should - MUCH MORE difficult.
We are running a deficit, that is a fact. When GS signed that contract, the department didn't have a mandate to become revenue neutral. Now they do.
Agree. It might actually help recruiting.
They don't have a mandate to be revenue neutral. That is never happening. Barchi also understands not making a coaching change could cost us more than making one.
Can we stop calling it revenue neutral, which is a tax policy term.
The goal is to reduce the subsidy to zero.
Whether that's a mandate or a wet dream is irrelevant. The pall it casts over pretty much everything we do is present.
Firing Flood as head coach after this season can absolutely be justified, and IMO is the right thing to do. Flood did knowingly and willingly violate Rutgers University's academic procedures himself in a futile and bonehead attempt to reestablish academic eligibility for former player Nadir Barnwell, which alone nearly got him fired. The lack of team discipline and laid-back atmosphere in which players willingly committed assault and armed robbery is fully on coach Flood; the contrary was obvious with former coach Schiano. And Flood may not call offensive plays himself, but he is the one who decided to keep Laviano as QB through three quarters of putrid play and nearly zero offensive scoring in each of the last two games, for the mind-boggling reason that benching would disrupt his "learning" (same with Nova 2 years ago). And the ticket selling to rival fans that you are referencing is a direct result of apathy caused by repeated ass-kickings from winning teams, piss-poor coaching, and arguably terrible player management. For all those reasons and many more, he should justifiably be gone after this season.
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