26/27 at the line today vs UNC. Damn fine shooting. 96.3%.
For RU, how much practice time is given to this?
For RU, how much practice time is given to this?
RU FT Woes... (formerly FSU Foul Shooting Today)
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Hopefully none. I’d rather spend the time allotted D1 teams to practice preparing for the next game.
Foul shooting is to be practiced as individuals.
Probably a lot, whether it’s by yourself or not is irrelevant.
Here’s the reality, if your not a good foul shooter, be assured whatever hot streak you’re enjoying making jump shots will end quickly after a handful of games....with rare exception
bingo. I am blaming Pike for a lot of our problems right now but FT shooting is not one of them.
Seriously, though, any idea how much time is dedicated to this? How about technique? Obviously, bad technique can be corrected. Is a FT specialist coach in BB is a "thing"?
Making feee throws in practice is nothing like making them in a game. You can’t replicate that short of sprints at the end of practice. This is coming from a 90%+ free throw shooter in practice and a terrible one in games.
It’s mental for all of these guys except Myles. He’s just a bad FT shooter. All the rest are capable of 75% or better
We haven’t been getting to the line at all; which is a problem. Even though we don’t shoot it great, we can get players / team in foul trouble . Also even if we make 1/2 it’s better than the empty possessions we’ve been getting . Only shooting 12 a game is a joke . Ron and geo need to get to the line much more. It seems like Myles and Jacob r the only ones that draw fouls
Florida State made all their free throws in their previous game, to boot.
Not familiar with BB coaching. But have to think with so much on the line (pun intended), a HC would find a specialist coach/consultant to come in an remedy poor FT shooting, the mechanics and the psychology of it.
Not so sure about it being a "mental" obstacle. In any case, with training and technique, it's got to be correctable and "improve-able."
Shaquille O’Neal played in the NBA. He and his teams had the $ to spend. He tried so many things.
It is a lot mental.
making 5 foot putts on flat ground over and over is real easy. Put a $10,000 bet in it and things change.
He tried everything except shooting underhanded. Rick Barry offered to teach him, but he refused.
There are “shot doctors” out there. Players have to put the work in though, usually in their formative years. MJ is a big so that one I understand. But even our guards are shaky FT shooters at best outside of Geo.
Also, we don’t GET to the line as much as our opponents which means we are settling for jump shots and not attacking the rim.
Also, we don’t GET to the line as much as our opponents which means we are settling for jump shots and not attacking the rim.
No players stroke will differ from jump shot release to foul shot release.
Release technique and follow through don’t change.
You can bet your ass or your house, our bad free throw shooters are poor in practice competitions also.
They might make 20 in a row one day and 10 out of 20 the next day in practice.
When it’s all over their percentage will be sub par in practice if their awful in games
Release technique and follow through don’t change.
You can bet your ass or your house, our bad free throw shooters are poor in practice competitions also.
They might make 20 in a row one day and 10 out of 20 the next day in practice.
When it’s all over their percentage will be sub par in practice if their awful in games
Disagree.
I’ll bet Ron geo Caleb Jacob make 90% free throws in practice consistently
I’ll bet Myles makes 70%.
In HS we had a FT ladder. You took 25 against either the person above or below you on the ladder. Winner moves up and loser moves down. I’d almost be between 22 and 24. I was a terrible shooter in games.
there is no comparison to a free throw that means nothing to a free throw that means everything. Add to that being tires
I’ll bet Ron geo Caleb Jacob make 90% free throws in practice consistently
I’ll bet Myles makes 70%.
In HS we had a FT ladder. You took 25 against either the person above or below you on the ladder. Winner moves up and loser moves down. I’d almost be between 22 and 24. I was a terrible shooter in games.
there is no comparison to a free throw that means nothing to a free throw that means everything. Add to that being tires
Later in the article a study suggested 1% of free throw percentage by people at the highest level can be explained by practice
That’s why TEAM free throw shooting should be done at the end of a practice or conditioning session so there’s physical & mental fatigue. What I used to like to do was different end of game scenarios where players had to make the FT’s for us to get into our defensive/press set. May even put the clock/scoreboard on. Simulating game situations a huge help.
If time was infinite I agree with this. If the incremental 10 free throws taken per person helped I’d be for it.
I think time is extremely valuable. I’d rather spend the time going through where my opponents screens were going to come from. We can use the time to install a play that is known by everyone when there is 4 seconds left and our opponent is on the free throw line. We don’t have that OR the one we have stinks. I think it is the latter.
again time is finite.
Yes but.... The game vs practice dynamic can be overcome with training, I believe. For example, target shooting at the range vs shooting in combat. It takes training within the right environment and with physical and mental technique and coaching. It's specialized training. And I have to believe there are (or should be) resources in BB to address this where FTs are concerned. The FT problem should not be insurmountable, or left as a non-priority. Especially with so much at stake.
No chance Myles makes 7 out of 10 on an average all year long in practice.
I would say Ron, Geo and Caleb or around 15 out of 20 in practice...Jacob a hair less.
This is a year long average which includes lousy days shooting in practice also
Wowsa
The 337th team in the national I’d wager doesn’t shoot free throws well in practice either.
I wish we could bet on the Myles thing. I am telling you he makes them in practice.
If I hit you 100 ground balls at short in an empty field I’ll bet on 95+ of them you wouldn’t make the 1st baseman’s glove move. Is that number the same with adrenaline and a fast runner racing down 1st base?
Agree with you on that. Practice versus game 180 degrees apart. Like you I was great in practice, 90%+ and then 80 in games.
Absolutely not, I agree.
But in practice, if the manager says “if you boot this ball or throw it away, you and all your teammates are staying out here for another hour”
All of a sudden it gets a lot harder, so you can simulate it somewhat
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this x10000. There is nothing that replicates game situations free throws that you can practice other than making sure you shoot with the same form ...and even then, it’s hard to replicate the focus needed when fatigued...and even mores so with 10000
People screaming
I'll guess 15 or 20 minutes during practice.
I've been to more college basketball practices than I can remember & free throw sessions are typically 5 minutes long and are used to break up the more strenuous activity.
Players split up into groups of 2 at each basket in the practice facility and each player rotates after shooting 2, sometimes 3 free throws.
If it was the day before a game and practice was in the arena the players would split up into 2 groups, take spots on the free throw lane line and move one position at a time until they were at the FT line to shoot two.
Occasionally a Coach will say something to a player like "Okay, remember what we worked on."
Other than that it was just the players shooting and getting a drink of water/Gatorade/Powerade.
Actual free throw practice during the season is done before or after practice and that would be one or two players + a coach. DEPENDING on how the team manages its practice hours.
IIRC, anytime a Coach is involved with on-court instruction it is a countable hour. Players are restricted to a certain number of countable hours each week.
Much of the FT coaching is done by showing kids a video breakdown of their FT shooting & telling them what needs to be corrected. In the offseason when countable hours are a little more relaxed, coaches do more on-court FT shooting instruction. Typically part of an individual workout with a player.
My HS coach was an advocate of FT Shooting after conditioning runs or scrimmaging.
He felt like it was closer to a game situation. I've always agreed with this.
He also was an advocate of you couldn't go home till you hit 6 in a row which is another story for another time.
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He felt like it was closer to a game situation. I've always agreed with this.
He also was an advocate of you couldn't go home till you hit 6 in a row which is another story for another time.
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Seems to be a tremendous consulting opportunity there to address teams/programs shooting so poorly at the FT line. A FT Boot Camp, of sorts. Multiple sessions on the specialty, from the psychology, to technique, etc. Then remedial work built into each practice.
Maybe such a "thing" exists? Maybe the HC and staff ego is an obstacle preventing this sort of path to remedy the situation?
Lol here gentlemen.
Let’s equate this to a can’t throw strikes camp, or a can’t throw a football accurately camp.
You know what happens to the 99% of the attendees after completion of said camp.
They still can’t throw strikes or throw a football accurately in games.
This boot camp would be applicable to 8 to 10 year olds who’ve not yet ingrained their shooting mechanics
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Interesting observation on ft practice and countable hours.
Coach Pike has commented, the new basketball facility offers 24-7 access to the players.
It was one of the reasons he had for our hot 3 point shooting streak...players have spent a lot of time in the gym on their own
