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GAME 1 WAGNER: New Chapter Begins

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Great to be bac@therac for what potential could be the most exciting season at the Banks since the days of Phil the Thrill in 76. Usually a team will bring back some familiar faces but this years Rutgers is truly a new beginning. Cliff and Aundre are gone and any of the link to the Geo/Ron glory years are extinguished. That chapter has been written, published and well read. Pikiell begins to write a new book...well give the one year stays this year, let us call this one a short story.

This is likely to be one of my shortest recaps of the season. All in all, it was a very solid performance and what you would like to see from a home opener. Yes it sucked that Ace was out because the anticipation of seeing Ace and Dylan in a real game together is one that Rutgers fans and NBA scouts have been waiting for. That will have to wait hopefully only til next game. Still it was actually a good test without Ace to see if the team could come together and make up for his absence. They clearly did even as Wagner who was picked to win the Northeast Conference really seemed week and not really up to the challenge to make the game competitive beyond the first 5 minutes.

First of all I have not seen an effortless talent like Dylan Harper ever in my 35 plus years of Rutgers fandom. There is no need to worry about a freshmen to get his feet wet when he is already NBA level talent at 18. Harper was smooth and his first bucket which was a 3 was a memorable swoosh to begin his Rutgers chapter. Such great court vision and awareness and confidence beyond his years. Not sure we are taking the time to appreciate and realize how good he is. 9-14 fg with 4 assist and 3 boards for 20 points. Only knock was the funky 1-6 ft shooting but not worried about that. I like how he really didnt force much and got others involved. My highlights would have to be his steal for a bucket nearing halftime and his dunk assisted by J Will in the 2nd half to balloon the lead to 22.


As I mentioned Rutgers had some trouble settling in early and were down 10-5. Much of it to me is just having to start Ogobole and I mean I just have to say right now he is not really up to the level even playing a NEC team. RU couldnt get untracked in the first few minutes in both halves with Ogobole starting. Something to watch going forward but its almost like he has to start to ease Lathan in. After Lathan came in, RU start to unfurl and assert themselves. Much of this was buoyed by Lathan who ran off 9 point and grabbed a few boards as part of a throttling 20-0 run over the course of 11 minutes to push the lead to 25-10 which effectively put the game away. The highlight for Lathan was a sweet assist from J Mike for a lay in plus an ugly looking but fortituous 3 point bounce in. Clearly, Rutgers is a better team with Lathan in the game. Yet forcing a freshmen to play starting minutes and 30 minutes a game may not be the best thing. So coming off the bench at least for now may be the best approach to effectively get the most out of him and take the least out his reserve before the tougher games arrive. Yes its only Wagner who didnt have much size but 11 points in 27 minutes on 4-7 fg and 2-2 ft with 8 boards is a pretty solid beginning. Didnt get many offensive rebounds if I want to nitpick but neither did the team as a whole with just 4 to Wagner's 12. Obviously this center position and rebounding look like the early choice for the achilles heel for this season. It will be up to Pike to work his magic like a talisman to hide these weaknesses once league play begins.

Did not attend the St John's game so I was very pleasantly surprised from the play of PJ Hayes. He isnt a player that is going to overwhelm you with his talent but I think "Babyface" is going to be as consistent and tough as they come. You can really see why Pikiell recruited him. Workhouse player and finally a guy that can drain an open 3. Ended up playing the 2nd most minutes at 28, 11 points, 4-6 fg, 2-4 from 3 and 2-2 ft, just in one game you can see the upgrade over the much ballyhooed and much maligned Gavin Griffiths. Not even close. Can he be as good vs Big 10 schools as he was tonight against Wagner. I think so and if he can geez Rutgers has a lot of potent options on offense.

Good to see Jeremiah out there. Rumors of an injury but looked solid today after taking a bit to get untracked. 4-6 fg, 10 points in 24 minutes. He is going to be counted on for his leadership as really one of only 2 players from last year to play significant minutes. The other J Mike was solid tonight. He dished out 5 assists and nailed 3-4 ft which has been a bugaboo for him. Also 2 unlikely blocks. So yeah the shots didnt fall at 0-4 but thats okay, he is not being counted on for that. There will be games this year where these two are pressed on by Pikiell to execute and settle this team down

Derkack is such a tough scrappy little player much like PJ. 5 boards and 2 steals showed some tenacity under the rim and had a nice putback in traffic. 3-5 fg on 8 points getting the start but playing 21 minutes. Brings that intangible to games that goes beyond someones recruiting ranking.

There is a third of the trio of blue collar kids in Zach Martini who looked good out there...3-5 fg including a couple of trey for 10 points and added 5 boards. Do not think he can play the center spot beyond a spot minute but is another nice option at the 4 and he and PJ got more minutes tonight with Ace out.

Acuff trying to come back from injury looks a step behind right now...just 1-5 fg and that was a 3 late in 14 minutes. Have to see how quickly he can catch up but the minutes are going to be competitive

Just 3 minutes for Dylan Grant and that will happen with a freshman on a deep team.

For me the defense was better than I heard for St Johns. Obviously when you shut your opponent out for 11 minutes, you are doing something right so its a pleasant surprise for me. Also tough for Pike to get these to committ to playing a full game against a team that just did not have the fortitude or physicality to ever make this a game. So good job by Pike to keep them interested. Team played hard throughout and right to the end so like the eagerness to get better. Offensively this team can score and its refreshing not to worry about the team running the shot clock down and trying to force ugly shots. Solid ball movement. There were a few times where they were a bit too eager to shoot rather than make that one extra pass but cannot argue too much. Even the misses they had in the first half were all good looks especially from 3 they just did not go in. Everything changes with Ace and yes it will be important to have as many games as possible with Ace integrated with the teams normal rotation before Vegas. Yet as I said it also benefits the team to get a game or two without him to fall back on.

Crowd was decent especially for a 6PM game, not the full sellout they claim but still upwards over 6500 and got to love wearing shorts to the RAC and walking out and its still 70 plus after the game.

St Peters up next and they gave Seton Hall a tussle losing only 57-53 so careful with this game but know that this Rutgers team is already an upgraded of what we were subjected to early last season
 
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1 game vs a NEC team
Adjusted offensive efficiency was 1.047 (150th area)
Adjusted defensive efficiency was .833 (top 5 area)
Looks familiar

JaMike 26 minutes….see above

Rebounding…
Defense 35/47. Very good
Offense 4/34….wtf

Rebounding had a lot to do with the poor O and the great D.

Separate note….Pike is going to utilize those media TOs to give Harper his rest.
 
Great to be bac@therac for what potential could be the most exciting season at the Banks since the days of Phil the Thrill in 76. Usually a team will bring back some familiar faces but this years Rutgers is truly a new beginning. Cliff and Aundre are gone and any of the link to the Geo/Ron glory years are extinguished. That chapter has been written, published and well read. Pikiell begins to write a new book...well give the one year stays this year, let us call this one a short story.

This is likely to be one of my shortest recaps of the season. All in all, it was a very solid performance and what you would like to see from a home opener. Yes it sucked that Ace was out because the anticipation of seeing Ace and Dylan in a real game together is one that Rutgers fans and NBA scouts have been waiting for. That will have to wait hopefully only til next game. Still it was actually a good test without Ace to see if the team could come together and make up for his absence. They clearly did even as Wagner who was picked to win the Northeast Conference really seemed week and not really up to the challenge to make the game competitive beyond the first 5 minutes.

First of all I have not seen an effortless talent like Dylan Harper ever in my 35 plus years of Rutgers fandom. There is no need to worry about a freshmen to get his feet wet when he is already NBA level talent at 18. Harper was smooth and his first bucket which was a 3 was a memorable swoosh to begin his Rutgers chapter. Such great court vision and awareness and confidence beyond his years. Not sure we are taking the time to appreciate and realize how good he is. 9-14 fg with 4 assist and 3 boards for 20 points. Only knock was the funky 1-6 ft shooting but not worried about that. I like how he really didnt force much and got others involved. My highlights would have to be his steal for a bucket nearing halftime and his dunk assisted by J Will in the 2nd half to balloon the lead to 22.


As I mentioned Rutgers had some trouble settling in early and were down 10-5. Much of it to me is just having to start Ogobole and I mean I just have to say right now he is not really up to the level even playing a NEC team. RU couldnt get untracked in the first few minutes in both halves with Ogobole starting. Something to watch going forward but its almost like he has to start to ease Lathan in. After Lathan came in, RU start to unfurl and assert themselves. Much of this was buoyed by Lathan who ran off 9 point and grabbed a few boards as part of a throttling 20-0 run over the course of 11 minutes to push the lead to 25-10 which effectively put the game away. The highlight for Lathan was a sweet assist from J Mike for a lay in plus an ugly looking but fortituous 3 point bounce in. Clearly, Rutgers is a better team with Lathan in the game. Yet forcing a freshmen to play starting minutes and 30 minutes a game may not be the best thing. So coming off the bench at least for now may be the best approach to effectively get the most out of him and take the least out his reserve before the tougher games arrive. Yes its only Wagner who didnt have much size but 11 points in 27 minutes on 4-7 fg and 2-2 ft with 8 boards is a pretty solid beginning. Didnt get many offensive rebounds if I want to nitpick but neither did the team as a whole with just 4 to Wagner's 12. Obviously this center position and rebounding look like the early choice for the achilles heel for this season. It will be up to Pike to work his magic like a talisman to hide these weaknesses once league play begins.

Did not attend the St John's game so I was very pleasantly surprised from the play of PJ Hayes. He isnt a player that is going to overwhelm you with his talent but I think "Babyface" is going to be as consistent and tough as they come. You can really see why Pikiell recruited him. Workhouse player and finally a guy that can drain an open 3. Ended up playing the 2nd most minutes at 28, 11 points, 4-6 fg, 2-4 from 3 and 2-2 ft, just in one game you can see the upgrade over the much ballyhooed and much maligned Gavin Griffiths. Not even close. Can he be as good vs Big 10 schools as he was tonight against Wagner. I think so and if he can geez Rutgers has a lot of potent options on offense.

Good to see Jeremiah out there. Rumors of an injury but looked solid today after taking a bit to get untracked. 4-6 fg, 10 points in 24 minutes. He is going to be counted on for his leadership as really one of only 2 players from last year to play significant minutes. The other J Mike was solid tonight. He dished out 5 assists and nailed 3-4 ft which has been a bugaboo for him. Also 2 unlikely blocks. So yeah the shots didnt fall at 0-4 but thats okay, he is not being counted on for that. There will be games this year where these two are pressed on by Pikiell to execute and settle this team down

Derkack is such a tough scrappy little player much like PJ. 5 boards and 2 steals showed some tenacity under the rim and had a nice putback in traffic. 3-5 fg on 8 points getting the start but playing 21 minutes. Brings that intangible to games that goes beyond someones recruiting ranking.

There is a third of the trio of blue collar kids in Zach Martini who looked good out there...3-5 fg including a couple of trey for 10 points and added 5 boards. Do not think he can play the center spot beyond a spot minute but is another nice option at the 4 and he and PJ got more minutes tonight with Ace out.

Acuff trying to come back from injury looks a step behind right now...just 1-5 fg and that was a 3 late in 14 minutes. Have to see how quickly he can catch up but the minutes are going to be competitive

Just 3 minutes for Dylan Grant and that will happen with a freshman on a deep team.

For me the defense was better than I heard for St Johns. Obviously when you shut your opponent out for 11 minutes, you are doing something right so its a pleasant surprise for me. Also tough for Pike to get these to committ to playing a full game against a team that just did not have the fortitude or physicality to ever make this a game. So good job by Pike to keep them interested. Team played hard throughout and right to the end so like the eagerness to get better. Offensively this team can score and its refreshing not to worry about the team running the shot clock down and trying to force ugly shots. Solid ball movement. There were a few times where they were a bit too eager to shoot rather than make that one extra pass but cannot argue too much. Even the misses they had in the first half were all good looks especially from 3 they just did not go in. Everything changes with Ace and yes it will be important to have as many games as possible with Ace integrated with the teams normal rotation before Vegas. Yet as I said it also benefits the team to get a game or two without him to fall back on.

Crowd was decent especially for a 6PM game, not the full sellout they claim but still upwards over 6500 and got to love wearing shorts to the RAC and walking out and its still 70 plus after the game.

St Peters up next and they gave Seton Hall a tussle losing only 57-53 so careful with this game but know that this Rutgers team is already an upgraded of what we were subjected to early last season
Good job. A nice bit win for you.
 
1 game vs a NEC team
Adjusted offensive efficiency was 1.047 (150th area)
Adjusted defensive efficiency was .833 (top 5 area)
Looks familiar

JaMike 26 minutes….see above

Rebounding…
Defense 35/47. Very good
Offense 4/34….wtf

Rebounding had a lot to do with the poor O and the great D.

Separate note….Pike is going to utilize those media TOs to give Harper his rest.
What do those rebounding stats represent? Are they opportunities to get rebounds? If so, that offensive stat is quite offensive.
 
Harper was by far the best player on the court last night. And it wasn’t even close. I don’t know the last time I saw an RU player clearly better than everyone else. And he didn’t try to do to much or force anything.
 
Good recap Bac

Added comments: Martini boxing out and playing fundamental basketball.

Derkack heads downhill, forcing sometimes, has to learn to pick his spots. Plays solid defense.

PJ has to get more shots, moves well without the ball. Teammates really need to focus on getting him the ball once they penetrate. He was open on the perimeter a few times that could have led to open 3s.

JMike played very good on ball defense, and really didn’t force anything on offense.

Defense was good, the St. John’s game, defense wasn’t as bad as some say, was in a few instances admittedly, the rebounding killed us. We really need everyone to box out and react fast to the ball.

Lathan became a crowd favorite yesterday. Plays with passion. I want him attached to Jay Young at practice learning as much as possible. He will be needed.

The pace our offense played last night was impressive, so fast, even after made baskets. Also much more player movement this game then I have seen in a long long time.

As of this time, it appears that everyone has bought into team basketball and understand their roles.

Look forward to Ace’s hopefully quick return.
 
Good recap Bac

Added comments: Martini boxing out and playing fundamental basketball.

Derkack heads downhill, forcing sometimes, has to learn to pick his spots. Plays solid defense.

PJ has to get more shots, moves well without the ball. Teammates really need to focus on getting him the ball once they penetrate. He was open on the perimeter a few times that could have led to open 3s.

JMike played very good on ball defense, and really didn’t force anything on offense.

Defense was good, the St. John’s game, defense wasn’t as bad as some say, was in a few instances admittedly, the rebounding killed us. We really need everyone to box out and react fast to the ball.

Lathan became a crowd favorite yesterday. Plays with passion. I want him attached to Jay Young at practice learning as much as possible. He will be needed.

The pace our offense played last night was impressive, so fast, even after made baskets. Also much more player movement this game then I have seen in a long long time.

As of this time, it appears that everyone has bought into team basketball and understand their roles.

Look forward to Ace’s hopefully quick return.
And the offense had to adjust without Ace as of course they have been practicing all of their offense with him so it was impressive yesterday
 
Harper was by far the best player on the court last night. And it wasn’t even close. I don’t know the last time I saw an RU player clearly better than everyone else. And he didn’t try to do to much or force anything.
Incredibly mature. Played like a ten year NBA vet. Under total control almost the entire time, shot the ball with confidence, and just very poised.

Will be awesome pairing his court sense with the exuberance and crazy talent that Ace has.
 
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1 game vs a NEC team
Adjusted offensive efficiency was 1.047 (150th area)
Adjusted defensive efficiency was .833 (top 5 area)
Looks familiar

JaMike 26 minutes….see above

Rebounding…
Defense 35/47. Very good
Offense 4/34….wtf

Rebounding had a lot to do with the poor O and the great D.

Separate note….Pike is going to utilize those media TOs to give Harper his rest.

From what I observed - it's just game #1 but I'm a bit pessimistic about Offensive Rebounding this season. Maybe it's just a function of the team needing to gel more - but the post player positioning seemed off in terms of increasing potential for O Rebounds.

On the plus side - I'm optimistic that overall offensive efficiency will increase. Especially when Ace returns. In the first half we were sloppy and out of sync on offense for a period. This improved in the 2nd half and I would expect that this would tighten with rotations including Ace on O. Just my anecdotal observation but the ball movement seemed better than last season, there was less focus on mid-range shots and the 3 points shots taken were mostly open and spot-up off of passes.
 
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Harper was by far the best player on the court last night. And it wasn’t even close. I don’t know the last time I saw an RU player clearly better than everyone else. And he didn’t try to do to much or force anything.
So smooth out there like he's gliding. One of these special players who can see two moves or plays ahead, maybe more.
 
I think we all agree the Center position is where we are vulnerable. Having a guy like Cliff or even the St. Johns dude would probably have us in the top 10. But as is, it looks like we can live up to our pre-season top 25 billing. When you shoot 30% from 3, get outrebounded, miss your free throws, and still win by 20+ points, you've got something.
 
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From what I observed - it's just game #1 but I'm a bit pessimistic about Offensive Rebounding this season. Maybe it's just a function of the team needing to gel more - but the post player positioning seemed off in terms of increasing potential for O Rebounds.

On the plus side - I'm optimistic that overall offensive efficiency will increase. Especially when Ace returns. In the first half we were sloppy and out of sync on offense for a period. This improved in the 2nd half and I would expect that this would tighten with rotations including Ace on O. Just my anecdotal observation but the ball movement seemed better than last season, there was less focus on mid-range shots and the 3 points shots taken were mostly open and spot-up off of passes.
offensive rebounding can be a pretty big part of offensive efficiency....

Job 1 was to fix defensive rebounding. Game 1 that was a success.
 
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From what I observed - it's just game #1 but I'm a bit pessimistic about Offensive Rebounding this season. Maybe it's just a function of the team needing to gel more - but the post player positioning seemed off in terms of increasing potential for O Rebounds.

On the plus side - I'm optimistic that overall offensive efficiency will increase. Especially when Ace returns. In the first half we were sloppy and out of sync on offense for a period. This improved in the 2nd half and I would expect that this would tighten with rotations including Ace on O. Just my anecdotal observation but the ball movement seemed better than last season, there was less focus on mid-range shots and the 3 points shots taken were mostly open and spot-up off of passes.
Also our offense will also be that much better when Tyson shakes off the rust from his injury; you could see some flashes but he still has to work himself back into game shape
 
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Harper was by far the best player on the court last night. And it wasn’t even close. I don’t know the last time I saw an RU player clearly better than everyone else. And he didn’t try to do to much or force anything.
Agreed. His body control and ability to finish around the rim, especially as a freshman, is the best I've ever seen at RU.
 
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BAC , nice write up and nice to be Back to the RAC.
As I was saying in the off season , Latham was the most skilled offensive center Rutgers has had in a very long time. His low post moves , handle , getting out on the break , defensive rebounding , blocking shots or altering them and post denial defense were all on display last night. That 5-7 minute stretch last night was a thing of beauty. I predicted like James Bailey in 1976 who entered the starting lineup in Game 5-6 , Latham will do the same.

Unfortunately , as much as I hate to say it , I have given up on Big E , Ogbole. He does not have it. It will be the one hole in the lineup and it hurts on the defensive glass and f defensive end because he doesn’t even give you anything on the offensive end nor any rebounding there either.

The rest of the team looks like players , bought in on the defensive end , moving without the ball, free flowing offense. Dylan is the best player on the court every night. He was off last night and still controlled the game . For those of us that saw him live last night , his defense in the first 15 minutes was off the charts. They were running back screens and he went over them and his anticipation was elite , I mean elite. We shot 6-24 from 3 and 10-19 from the foul line and was up by 30 with a minute left. That gives you an idea how much better our offense will be this year. We have to get more three shots for PJ and Martini. 6 shots for PJ and 4 for Martini are not enough. They are our best 3 point shooters and have to be found. Just because JMike and Jordan are open they do not need to shoot the 3.
Overall, a good opening night even with the huge disappointment of no ACE. By the way , he was limping pretty well and it appeared to be an ankle and likely in my opinion he misses next Monday and will be ready next Friday which will be 10 days of rehab and rest. That gives him 3 games before Vegas .
 
Last night was great both inside and outside of the RAC.

Can Somerville improve enough to be valuable center in the 5 and will the team have enough rebounders? Can him/Martini stand up to BIG level bigs? Will improved shooting rely less on rebounders? Can JMike offense improve enough for him to be a threat on floor or will he be a game closer?

Just some questions. Team has a lot of good things going for it.
 
Agreed. His body control and ability to finish around the rim, especially as a freshman, is the best I've ever seen at RU.
Phil was similar but stronger and meaner.
Mature from day 1.
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1 game vs a NEC team
Adjusted offensive efficiency was 1.047 (150th area)
Adjusted defensive efficiency was .833 (top 5 area)
Looks familiar

JaMike 26 minutes….see above

Rebounding…
Defense 35/47. Very good
Offense 4/34….wtf

Rebounding had a lot to do with the poor O and the great D.

Separate note….Pike is going to utilize those media TOs to give Harper his rest.
I keep hearing how bad our defensive rebounding was last night, and those stats prove that it just isn't true.

Offensive rebounding - it seems like this team (as with many of Pike's teams) are going back to defend as soon as the shot goes up.
 
Offensive rebounding will be difficult because five players are away from the basket running a weave offense which allows drives to the basket and passes to open 3 point shooters.With Cliff he spent more time close to the basket for dunks and offensive rebounds after missed shots.
 
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